You have it backwards - he succeeded despite his temperament, character, and shallowness. How did he do it? He asked for and relied on the government to bail him out (four times) after he got the ox in the ditch all by his lonesome.
Just within this election so far, Trump has spent the least amount of money while having everything thrown at him, and destroyed candidates with decades of experience. This is his first attempt at politics, and he has carpet bombed politics altogether.
Since people are voting for him in massive numbers despite his temperament, character, and shallowness, then just maybe people arenât voting on those qualities.
TB - if a pompous loudmouth can pop off and it ends up keeping my job intact, I will give him a bullhorn and an extra set of AA batteries.
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We will never, ever agree on Trump, and I will never vote for him, but I understand and respect your point of view, especially your last point.
Trump, in my view, is a terrible vehicle to advance the kind of policy that would speak to the issues you raise and your specific political âneedsâ, but I completely agree these issues and your âneedsâ are completely legitimate.
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Over $13MM cleared so far:
So to recap:
Trumpâs highly touted business acumen is an outright lie because he was born into money and thatâs all it takes to build a successful company.
Of the many lottery winners over the decades not a single one has managed to turn millions into billions because they all decided to live on easy streak. Of course we can happily ignore that 44% of powerball winners go broke (Why So Many Lottery Winners Go Broke | Fortune) and we can also ignore that 60% of NBA players and 78% of NFL players file for bankruptcy within 5 years of retiring from professional sports.
As well it does not matter that he has successfully completed hundreds of business deals, written one of the best selling business books of all time or created a wildly successful TV show now in itâs 10th season. This can all be discounted because:
He was involved in 4 bankruptcies and in a hypothetical interview scenario no interviewer in his right mind would ever hire someone with this sort of track record. It does not matter that an expert has stated the use of a bankruptcy filing is not in-and-of-itself a sign of any sort of moral failing, lack of business acumen on Donald Trumps part. Or that one of the biggest creditors from the bankruptcy proceedings (Carl Icahn) endorses Trump.
He also is slimy and slithery because he constantly is throwing around frivolous lawsuits. My uneducated guess that ultra rich business people are constantly suing and being sued and thatâs simply state of things in a highly litigious society can be ignored. However another uneducated opinion suggesting that these lawsuits are an indictment of his character is 100% accurate and correct.
Almost forgot: the employing of thousands of people and the indirectly feeding of thousands more mouths can largely be ignored because CEOs get way too much credit and the people under them do not get enough.
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More proof that you are a one sided shallow drum TB. Letâs reverse it. If Trump had left men to be killed in Behghazi when he could have done something about it what would you be saying about him?
If Trump had used a private server and leaked top secret information what would you say about him?
If Trump ran a questionable foundation âThe Trump Foundationâ and it along with the email scandal was being investigated by the FBI what would you say about him?
And talk about corrupt business dealings. Hillary Clinton made 100-k in cattle futures using only $1,000 of her own money. That just doesnât happenâŠwhen things are on the up and up.
Just admit you want Hillary Clinton to become President because she is one of the elite Washington insiders and oh so very refined. And you like her. Admit it no problem you have a right to vote for whomever you want. But this non ending baseless attack on Donald Trump only makes you look bad.
Pathetic. Why are you providing a list of Hillaryâs bad acts when Iâve never once defended her and, in fact, said I am not going to vote for her because she is the essence of DC corruption?
The answer is youâre not very bright. You think that any time someone criticizes a Republican the retort is to counter with all the sins of Obama and/or Hillary. Itâs stupid, irrelevant, and itâs tired - this is your one go-to move, and in addition to being immaterial to an assessment of Trump, weâve all grown weary of your lack of new material.
Again, as the article above outlined, being anti-Trump isnât tantamount to being pro-Hillary. Itâs perfectly fine and rational to loathe both of them (which I do). Well, it is if you arenât a mindless and dimwitted cheerleader.
Youâre a hack, Zeb. The One True Hack we have in this forum. Everyone gets it. People can love Trump or hate him, but it isnât an answer to the criticism to point to Hillaryâs misdeeds. That you havenât learned this through hundreds if not thousands of posts by now demonstrates just how limited you are.
My ânon-ending, baselessâ attacks - thatâs right, baseless, according to Zeb, even as conservatives of all stripes are making the same attacks I am in the media and elsewhere - are making me âlook badâ. Thanks for the laugh, Zeb.
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I would be willing to bet you thatâŠoh thatâs right âInternet bets are stupidâ is what I think you said. Being a first class blow hard without having to back it up is more to your liking.
Those many conservatives will come around, or at least most of them, handing Hillary (if sheâs in the race) a defeat. There will be party unity. The fact that you cannot see that coming speaks to your limited experience in politics and life as well.
Bet? Ha ha
For myself, I have plenty in my post history targeting Hillary. For this election cycleâŠIâm blasting Trump and the GoP. Zeb your best defense for electing Trump is that he is an amoral con-man who PROBABLY doesnât mean the things he says (so what the heck does he ACTUALLY EVEN believe)âexpanding torture, ordering troops to target non-combatants, being a conspiracy theorist weirdoâŠ
You know where Iâm at now? Iâm at seeing if itâs even possible to salvage the GoP as a party that can compete against Hillaryâs re-election. After she stomps out Trump, the question is then, just how catastrophic will Trump be for republicans trying to win and hold seats? Just how bad and wide will his cloying stench stick to the GoP. How long before Republicans will even be given a chance by the general electorate to take the Presidency. How long will it take, if ever, for the GoP to crawl out from under having nominated this reality-tv, moral midget, tabloid-briefed conspiracy kook? An image they (the GoP electorate) chose to embrace officially.
The GoP is now the National Enquirer/Alex Jones loon party. Oh right, he lied, simply faking conspiracy nut-jobbery in order to get those kind of folks to vote for him in the primaries. Too bad itâs not only those folks whoâve heard, and will hear over and over, his kookiness. He was just playing a role with comments about women and Mexicans. Ok, but the general electorate heard them too. And will hear them again and again. And by nominating him, the GoP is now guilty by association.
To even have a chance at being a competitive party in the future, Trumpâs defeat isnât enough. Thatâs going to happen regardless. What the GoP will need is faces on the TV, in DC, and on the streets who oppose their own candidate. And then, maybe, people might give the GoP the benefit of doubt in the future. MIGHT.
I mean this is the GoP nominee?
Trump, the presumptive Republican presidential nominee, sparked criticism when he mocked McCainâs military service last summer, saying, âI like people who werenât captured.â
Read the transcript from the exchange. Another bunk claim launched at Trump
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Read what I quoted again. Watch the video link. Notice that he does say that quote? Now notice your âfact-checkerâ omits that statementâŠ
Yes you do Sloth no argument here.
Nope, not if Hillary Clinton runs against him with no third party candidate to syphon off republican votes. Then you will have President Donald Trump.
I agree he was a jerk for saying that and for saying many other things which rubbed me the wrong way. One in particular is making fun of a disabled reporter. I have worked with the disabled and I found that to be very offensive. However, I find Hillary Clinton far more offensive.
The enabler of sexual predator Bill Clinton (helping to attack the women he accosted)
The horrible Secretary of State
The Whitewater gal
The cattle futures trading scam slut
The target of two separate FBI investigations.
Yeah, when you compare the two Trump is a boy scout to Hillaryâs Bloody Mary.
TB: âWha boo hoo ZEBâs always comparing Trump to Hillary.â
YepâŠthat does happen when two people run against each other for Presidentâ
Wow - the only thing worse than your banal yammering on supporting Trump is when you attempt to be clever and talk trash. That was hard to read.
In any event, your easy-to-set-off tantrums aside, whatâs clear is you consider yourself a GOP âactivistâ with a mission to get a Republican elected, and you see this forum as a place keep making the sale.
Hell, you probably have a GOP talking points memo in your inbox giving you pointers on how to persuade in political conversations at the dinner table and online. And Iâd bet that the A to the Q âWhat happens when people start reacting badly to Trump as the nominee? What should I say?â in FAQs is âKeep reminding them how bad Hillary is to change the subject and keep them focused on that.â
Whether that is true or not re: following a party-produced playbook, that is clearly your tactic, and has been any time - any time - during the 2016 election cycle there is criticism of a Republican. Itâs automatic. And itâs obvious.
What you donât do is address the criticism in any real way. I never said Trump was unfit because he had four bankruptcies - I said he was unfit because of temperament, character, and policy shallowness. Re: his four bankruptcies, I said itâs proof he isnât the business genius his followers say he is.
Nah, instead of address the real criticism, you go full Alinsky and start barfing up non-sequiturs and attacking the motives of the critics, i.e., âyou donât attack Hillary very much, youâre clearly for her!â Obamaâs election team would be proud.
But again, everyone gets it. Youâre a hack. Youâre outgunned when it comes time to talk about substance, so you go into full electioneering mode on anyone who attacks the putative nominee. Itâs boring. But you knew that.
To the larger point, sometimes a vote isnât about the lesser lf two evils when deep change is needed (as now),but most importantly, thereâs no reason to think A Hillary presidency would be worse than a Trumpâs. Weâall get the same kind of justices appointed to SCOTUS under either, and frankly, Iâd expect the economy to do better under Hillary (look no further than Trumpâs proposal to reduce debt - itâs stupid and disqualifying).
I know, I know - you donât know or care much about policy (itâs hard and required you to learn new things), but if you could snap out of your Hillary hysterics long enough, youâd see what a disaster Trump would be for the country.
But you wonât, because you canât. Youâre too weak to do so.
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It just dawned on me. Anyone ever have to to suffer the awfulness of dealing with a time-share salesman and their tactics?
Zeb is the time-share salesman of GOP politics.
Edit: fixed typo.
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Wow - the only thing worse than your banal yammering on supporting Trump is when you attempt to be clever and talk trash. That was hard to read.[/quote]
The truth is always hard to read for those who have it coming. And as far as talking trash you started it in this latest round when you mentioned my name out of the blue in one of your idiotic posts. I figured you were getting bored with your current debate opponents and really wanted your ass kicked so here I am to oblige.
Thatâs what you think at least. But, I will say that the republican ideal is better than the democrat ideal. Lower taxes, states rights, anti abortion yada yada yadaâŠBut that means nothing to a powerful centrist something or other like you right?
That was actually funny. You should do more humor and stop trying to be serious around here. Youâd be much more successful. Anyway, you are an imbecile if you think it is inappropriate to compare two candidates running for office. âStop talking about Hillary ZEB we want to keep the attention on Trump.â LOL
As I said it is perfectly acceptable in fact expected to compare two candidates running for office. I know you want to trash Trump post after post without anyone saying a word about Hillary. But, thatâs not how it works in politics. That you donât understand this speaks to your lack of experience as I have pointed out many times. You talk big but you are very shallow when it comes to reading this Presidential race.
Temperament and character? Honestly, while there is much not to like about Trump I think his character is better than either Hillaryâs or Obamaâs. Oh my defended Trump by mentioning the current President and the person he will most likely run against - HA.
By the way, what did Ronald Reagan or Bill Clinton know about policy before reaching the office of President? It is not really the sort of job that you can train to do. But, I will say those with executive experience have made better Presidents. And that is what Trump has. I wonât mention Hillary again because I donât want to offend youâŠ
This shows how little you know about business at any level. Let me put it to you this way: the more things that you try the more successes that you have. However, the more failures that you have as well. He had 4 companies go bankrupt so what? He has also made billions in real estate and other ventures. Now tell me how easy that is because he inherited 40 million dollars. LOLâŠyou really are naĂŻve when it comes to business TB. You should just stick to talking about things you know likeâŠumâŠahâŠwell certainly not Presidential politics.
When you write post after post bashing Trump and hardly a word about anyone else it starts to look like you hate Trump. And when someone is that obsessively hateful of one particular candidate he cannot be trusted to tell the truth or see things in a clear light. ANDâŠthat describes you pretty clearly.
Says you and only you or have you not noticed? SoâŠYAWN.
Never by youâthat needs to be pointed out.
Electioneering is what you do every single time you write a post about Trump or have you become so used to your own yammering that you donât even notice anymore? Also, have you not noticed the opposition that you have encountered on this board? And not just by me. There are other fine posters who oppose much of what you write about Trump. Youâve convinced no one thus far. But keep it up as I have said it is entertaining.
You hate Trump so much it has blinded you to the many promises that Hillary has made. She has promised to appoint a left wing Judge to the Supreme Court. Trump has promised to appoint a conservative (yeah I know TRUMP IS LYING, as drool oozes out of your mouth). Uh huh. Hillary has promised to raise my taxes. Trump has promised to lower them.
There are many things. It does matter who is elected and if you think 12 years of left wing loons running the country is a good idea continue bashing TrumpâŠnot that anyone is ever persuaded by your knit wit arguments as I have already point outâŠFOUR BANKRUPTCIES WOW!! AND HIS CHARACTER UM ITS JUST NOT GOOD. You are so persuasive. Ha haâŠ
Not if you take Trump at his word.
AhâŠthe truth comes out finally. Nice to see you in full Hillary support mode. Are those democrat talking points? YeahâŠmust be.
Policy? Is that what youâve been banging the keyboard about for the past 9 or so months? NOPE. Youâve been too busy telling anyone who cares to read your posts (and there are fewer now than when you first began this tirade against Trump) all about how Donald Trump is not qualified and his 4 bankruptciesâŠand what else? Oh yes, he inherited his money and itâs easy to make 4,5 10 billion (whatever it is) when you inherit 40 million. In short, you have been the last guy to talk policy and the first guy to sound like a National Enquirer reporter. But, if it helps you sleep at night you keep thinking that you are this really deep thinking policy wonk. As for me I will continue to berate your nonsense whenever I like. Youâve earned it, you deserve it and I will be more than happy to point it out. Besides itâs far more fun than TV.
Once again you play the part of the clown. If I could snap out of my Hillary hysterics? Do you realize how hysterical you sound on virtually every post that you write regarding Donald Trump? You give him no credit for any of his accomplishments. As if it is easy to build a multi-billion dollar company. And easy to star in a television show âŠwhere by the way he made millions more. He has done literally nothing right in your eyeâs. You really need to step back and think before you post on Trump. No one, absolutely no one can be that lucky TB. The man has skills and you refuse to acknowledge any of them. That makes you the biggest zealot on this board and a blind one at that!
Finally, it has not escaped me that you have ignored my offer to bet on the upcoming Presidential election. I give much credit to Sloth who has the balls to stand behind his beliefs. Obviously, you donât have the same gumption. Itâs much easier to spill your swill all over the forum and never have to back it up. There are plenty of guys like you who talk the talk but never walk the walkâŠ
How about it TBâŠI say Hillary will never become President. Are you going to take me up on a bet or just go on yammering about how bad Trump is?
We both know the answer donât we?