A lot of other nations would disagree with you on that. For instance in Australia if you break into their country illegally, they will throw you in a detention centre on a small offshore island for months sometimes years.
Ok, if true, so what? Obama could have been the best in history or the worst - what the Hell does that have to do with whether Trump is unfit for the office?
Thatâs even assuming your premise is true, and you clearly didnât read the article. Trumpâs lack of fitness has to do with temperament, character, and shallowness as much as his lack of experience.
Or is this an attempt by you to do what Rubio attempted to do to counter criticism of his lack of experience - cite Obamaâs inadequacies and then point out, hey, he handled it, so my (grossly unqualified) candidate surely can too?
If Trump has such poor character and temperament why hasnât that translated into his businesses?
BTW expect Trumpâs temperament to soften now that heâs in the general. Heâs already started with the âI love Hispanicsâ Tweet.
You mean his series of failed ventures, outright scams, manipulation of bankruptcy, and reality-TV pandering?
Trump has convinced his dimwitted supporters that he is a major league business guru in the same way modern, talentless pop stars market themselves as meaningful musicians. Itâs all marketing, and, to be fair, he gets credit for successfully exploiting that. But he can only exploit because of legions of suckers willing to buy it.
But you donât need to be an exemplar of character and solid temperament (the kind needed act in the public interest) to make some money. Especially if youâre born into it.
Oh, and to finish the point - it has translated into his business. People hate working with the guy and there is no line forming to joint venture with him. Rest assured this is the case despite what you see on your DVRed âApprenticeâ episodes, Trumpkins.
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You mean his series of failed ventures, outright scams, manipulation of bankruptcy, and reality-TV pandering?[/quote]
Out of the HUNDREDS of business ventures he has been apart of a handful of failed. Would you respected him if he never had tried at all? Canât remember the stat exactly but roughly 80% of businesses fail within the first 18 months.
So if 4-5% of the business ventures he has taken part in have failed, how many times above average has he performed compared to the average entrepreneur?
To be clear he has never personally filed for bankruptcy
Also of the failures did anyone come out and say it was his mismanagement that lead to those failures?
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Trump has convinced his dimwitted supporters that he is a major league business guru in the same way modern, talentless pop stars market themselves as meaningful musicians. Itâs all marketing, and, to be fair, he gets credit for successfully exploiting that. But he can only exploit because of legions of suckers willing to buy it.[/quote]
You must think very little of the GOP voters as a whole I take it?
Even though he was born into money he currently employs thousands of people who by and large enjoy working for the man. Do you think businesses magically stay afloat for decades on end because some rich guy started it?
I asked this question a while back but you never answered. What powerful and financially successful country do you know of that allows some 13 million illegal aliens to not only cross into our country but actually hands them welfare and other financial support?
Itâs seems nutty to me to expect any legitimate candidate for President to allow this to continue.
I believe in one of her debates Hillary talked about allowing in 65,000 refugees from the middle east into our country. And this at time when ISIS is trying to harm our citizens. I swear that if someone told me this would be said by a serious candidate for President I would have laughed at them. But I heard it with my own two ears.
That alone disqualifies her for the job.
Iâve been in business for about 30 years now and I have had my failures and successes. I donât know of anyone who has won at every single thing they have ever tried. Not Trump, not Ray Kroc (McDonalds)Ford, not Edison no one. But if someone hates a man they can certainly stand on the sidelines and point to the mans few business failures and then call him a failure because of that. In reality he has and does employ tens of thousands of people that obviously helps the economy. Something, by the way, that he would not have done had he simply invested the 40 million or so that he inherited in the stock, or bond markets. Whether he is worth the 10 billion he claims or it is merely 4 billion. The fact is he went into the real estate business and did very well. Not to mention the fame and millions that he achieved with his own television show. Did he inherit that too. Nope. But youâll never see a Trump critic give him credit for that either.
But as I said earlier it is not enough to attack Trump because you donât like his policies, lack of experience or whatever. The base human instinct when you donât like someone is to naturally assume that they can do nothing right. There are rotten from the core and have no right to attempt to move forward. Some are not happy unless there is a total destruction of a man. AndâŠthat is pathetic.
Another point: If itâs just about âbeing born into moneyâ shouldnât we see lottery winners from decades past transformed into prominent billionaires? Itâs that easy right?
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I asked this question a while back but you never answered. What powerful and financially successful country do you know of that allows some 13 million illegal aliens to not only cross into our country but actually hands them welfare and other financial support?[/quote]
Um, the most powerful and wealthiest one.
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YeahâŠand if we keep it up we wonât be for much longer.
Great point. Like him or hate him Trump has skills and a great work ethic.
Maybe lottery winners decide to take their winnings, put their feet up, and live on easy street, as opposed to working manically trying to grow their millions into billions? You know, what people do when they âwin the lotteryâ - they stop working and live off the largesse?
Good Lord.
Sour grapes make sour whine.
So impress us with your humongous package of business acumen and accomplishment!
Come on, flop it out on the table man. I gotta see what the Johnny Holmes of business we have here schooling us is really packing.
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Out of the HUNDREDS of business ventures he has been apart of a handful of failed. Would you respected him if he never had tried at all? Canât remember the stat exactly but roughly 80% of businesses fail within the first 18 months.
So if 4-5% of the business ventures he has taken part in have failed, how many times above average has he performed compared to the average entrepreneur?
To be clear he has never personally filed for bankruptcy
Also of the failures did anyone come out and say it was his mismanagement that lead to those failures?[/quote]
Hard to know where to start - I donât begrudge Trump starting businesses, thatâs dumb. What Iâm saying is that Trump isnât the business wizard his supporters try to claim he is in a defense of him as presidential material. What success he has had is the result of scamming and slithering, itâs always a hustle and racket. Donât know anything about that because all you bother to learn is what you see on âThe Apprenticeâ or reading âThe Art of the Dealâ? Not my problem to fix.
Who said that? No one. Youâre absolutely right - the CEOs and executives get way too much credit and the people working under them so great jobs making the companies successful.
And?
Heh - sorry, uninterested. But a nickelâs worth of free advice - go read up on Trump.
I have, a little. But who squawks louder, the ones who got burned or the ones who got what they came for and went on their merry way?
I build custom objects for a very unique niche of the construction industry. Iâve done thousands of builds for hundreds of companies around the world. You know what people say when they are happy? âThanks, check is on its wayâ.
But when they arenât, woooooo it just doesnât end. The phone rings off the hook and holy hell is raised until they tire them self out. It is completely asymmetric.
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Ok, thanks.
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Okay enlighten me. Why do you think his personal worth of somewhere in the billions is largely a result of âscamming and slitheringâ ?
A couple of people with entrepreneurial success have chimed in. Any other entrepreneurs reading this thread?
What do you think of Donald Trumps business success?