Great info on here… I’m about to drop the Androgel and start real TRT thanks to this community.
I searched for several hours but could not find an answer to this: once I break open the amp of HCG, how do I preserve the mixture since I obviously cannot re-seal the amp? Or, do I draw all the HcG into several syringes and just inject portions? Also, how do you mix the diluent with the powder since pouring it in would create a mess - use a syringe to draw it in them squirt it into the powder?
In any case, you add the BA water to the dry hCG and swirl to mix. Do not use normal saline or sterile water, must be bacterial static water, which has 0.9% Benzyl Alcohol.
Multi dose vials have a safety cap that covers the rubber stopper.
Now I have lots of technical newbie questions, please bear with me… been training for over 18 years but this is all new to me.
Can multi-use vials be found OTC?
I have all the HCG mixed in several syringes in the fridge. I injected only part of the one since I did not have a vial - should I toss this one since its used or draw out the rest from the back of the syringe to put into the multi use vial?
When I draw the test cyp, I get tons of air (I am turning the vial upside down to load the syringe). I just kept plunging it back and forth until I had lots of oil then one final plunge to get the air out. Am I doing something wrong? Is it because the needle gauge is so small that the viscosity is affected?
Is it acceptable to do an “approximate” EOD - meaning, can I divide and hit all my drug doses Mon, Wed, Fri of each week, instead of M-W-F-Su-T-R-Sa-repeat? I am extremely forgetful and even when I write things down I still tend to screw it up. Is it that big of deal I am going E3D once a week? Test cyp has 10-14 day half life so I didn’t think that would be an issue, but not sure about HCG and Adex.
I am running 200mg/week of test cyp - if 1mg of Adex per 100mg test is the starting point, am I right to run 2mg/week in my case? I believe you said they had a linear relationship. I am starting at this level because I cannot afford to get blood labs 3-4 times to keep adjusting levels. I have pre-cycle levels and will get some in a few weeks. Also 1 tab = 1mg right?
BTW, did my first round this AM and WOW was it easy! I thought there would at least be a “poke” or “pinch” like when getting blood drawn or getting novacane but I had literally zero pain. Did the HCG SC in abdomen and test cyp VL. I am noticing a very slight “dead” leg feeling, like getting the circulation cut off briefly but not tingly.
1- as sterile empty vials, do you really have glass ampules?
2- inject part of the load in a syringe, then swab with alcohol and return to the fridge
3- now you sound like you do have a multi-dose vial. What you see is vapor and vacuum, not air, just let it load
4- if that is the best you can do, set up a reoccurring reminder in MS Outlook or such
5- 2mg/week is the starting dose, watch for signs that you are an over-responder, the dose really needs to be proportional to one’s FT or bio-T. There are some who are hyper metabolizers of T who need 300mg/wk to get high normal levels. In a case such as that, I think that they would need something closer to 1 than 3.
Why is your injected T dose so high?
10-14 days is more like clearance to base line, not half-life.
Please explain what you really have for hCG. Is it prescribed or from WWW?
Packaging should explain the 1mg/tablet. How are you going to split 2 1mg tablets into 3 doses?
yes, the supplier i bought from sent me 5000IU glass ampules. i broke the glass, extracted the diluent with a syringe and shot it into the dry HCG to hydrate it. i did not know i should have got vials to make the mixture in - i will from now on.
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i see - what is the relationship between adex and FT or bio-T?
my starting T dose is on the higher end because my levels on the gel there were just mid-range (TT was around 550 or so, FT i think was 12 or 15), plus i want to add some moderate muscle and recover better from training. my rot/cuffs have been straining easily lately (i am an exercise physiologist and do understand how to train/rehab). i may even run a 500mg/week cycle to put on some size then taper back down to reg TRT.
okay, onsecond thought, i will get a calendar and just mark the days on there. i’m in a habit to put that damn gel on daily, so i should be able to keep the habit of checking that calendar every AM.
i explained in #1 that they came to me in glass ampules which, from what i gather, is not uncommon.
the adex was just 50 tabs taped together - no label like with the HCG and test. this is an IFBB pro supplier and is well known to be reputable. i will e-mail them on the adex to be sure what dose of the tablet is.
as far as splitting the adex into 3 doses… good question, not sure how to do that. i will sart taking it EOD religiously so it averages 3.5 x .5mg weekly which comes out to 1.75mg weekly.
Adex is a competitive drug. It competes with T to be located at the action site of aromatase. If there is more T, there needs to be more adex. From TRT, we know that one needs around 1.0mg/week for every 100mg/week of testosterone ester. That needs to be refined with E2 lab work.
If you change your T dosing, your adex needs will change.
To match adex to T levels, T levels should be steady. Thus the need for frequent injections. Adex half life creates a need for EOD dosing.
Target for E2 is near 22pg/ml. If you get E2=33, dose needs to be multiplied by 33/22=1.5
SHBG bound T, SHBG-T, is not bio-available to activate T receptors and also cannot aromatize. Thus one’s adex needs are probably more proportional to FT or bio-T than TT.
Note that adex cannot block T–>E inside the testes and high hCG doses can lead to unmanageable E2 levels. Do not take more than 250iu hCG EOD. SC works well, IM is really not needed.