Good post ZEB
[quote]nickj_777 wrote:
@ ZEB I respect your ability to own a small business and be successful but before you continue to keep threatening your employees with salary cuts or job cuts read this. You Can Prevent Layoffs
You may need to cut costs to stay afloat and increase prices to cover the new tax rate but you risk losing customers and killing employee morale both of which could hurt future company growth projections. Your family is courageous for starting a business but good employees are hired for a reason and no one intentionally hires incompetent people. If you cut their income then your employees have less to take home to their families and then their performance could diminish (decreased morale and poorer/work home life). I understand a business is not a charity but it is hard to replace good employees especially since there could be eager shittier ones who work for less coming up the pipeline.[/quote]
Everyone is replaceable. Everyone.
@ Counting Beans, since you have a ton of skill sets I respect your point.
[quote]nickj_777 wrote:
@ ZEB completely uncalled for and useless point you made. I did not just adopt an opinion I referred to what the belief out there was regarding the both of them.[/quote]
You described what the DNC and the media wants people to believe about the both of them. Reality is another matter. If you are going to post on PWI you better start making sense or I will call you out every time.
No they are not making unflattering comments about “people” they are trying to assassinate the character of Mitt Romney. And “people” like you gobble it up!
Yeah, he had a great father. And the media will try to convince people to hold that against him. What a horrible thing to do.
Wrong, I attacked your argument the majority of your argument as being wrong.
Wrong, you have been swallowing the liberal kool aide. Romney is quite good. In fact, I will say that he is most likely one of the best, most qualified men to ever run for President. And I can go back many years and point out how he’s far more qualified than those of the past if you like. Wanna go there my friend?
So knock off the chatter that neither candidate is good. When you say stuff like that you are asking to be dumped on.
Oh, you mean he’s a politician? Smarten up you can’t be that naive. Tell me your not PULEEEZE!
Bill Clinton would fall asleep with poll numbers in his hand. Ever read his book? Did he flip-flop when he agreed to a deal with Gingrich on welfare reform? He said that he would never do that…but…he did!
How about Obama saying he was going to close Gitmo? He never did it. And he was against the Patriot Act, but he renewed it. He was against the Bush tax cuts for all Americans but he renewed them. He was against drone stikes but he has more than doubled those that took place under Bush.
You need to grow up. This is an adult game. Politicians change positions all the time. But you heard Chirs Matthews or some other brain dead liberal say Mitt Romney is a flip-flopper. Now you go around repeating it. My little 4 year old nephew repeats things too…
This part of your point has some merit. I answered the other part of your post which had no merit.
If you’re not a sheep then stop acting like one and stop listening to the main stream liberal media and the Obama attack ads. Obama has no record to run on he must try to destroy Romney or he loses. Get it?
We’ve got a great candidate in Mitt Romney. They spent millions trying to ruin the man. One debate later he’s leading Obama.
It’s hard to keep the truth away from the American people, at least the ones who think for themselves. You should try to join that group you’d like it.
@ ZEB, I actually like Sean Bielat so again look at an argument holistically. Romney once was pro-choice now is pro-life. He was once pro-government sponsored health care and now is against it. These are real issues. You are getting way too emotional and it is coming through in your posts. I never said Clinton was great either. With Clinton he did nothing significant in his second term and rode the work George H. did on NAFTA and just had to sign.
I have never defended Obama either I instead try to take a broader look. You on the other hand are getting so emotional and ridiculous.
@ZEB i am not naive to believe that politicians won’t flip flop or reverse their points to just get votes. I just would prefer a leader with more integrity. ZEB with Romney and Obama the size of government will get bigger, and there will not be massive cuts the debt and deficit. To grow and economy there has to be cuts to government expenditures and that includes the defence budget. There must be cuts to the tax rates as well. But from what I gather in the end neither politician will suffice. You may go at least he is a Republican but a bad Republican is not a good Republican. You may go at least he has Paul Ryan. Yeah well with Romney’s ego there will be no Cheney type VP.
ZEB you make think Romney is really good and yes you can list off less qualified leaders but lets not forget he is no Teddy Roosevelt, Lincoln, or Eisenhower or George H. Bush. Men of principle who had vision and were truly pragmatic leaders.
[quote]nickj_777 wrote:
@ ZEB, I actually like Sean Bielat so again look at an argument holistically. Romney once was pro-choice now is pro-life. He was once pro-government sponsored health care and now is against it. These are real issues. You are getting way too emotional and it is coming through in your posts. I never said Clinton was great either. With Clinton he did nothing significant in his second term and rode the work George H. did on NAFTA and just had to sign.
I have never defended Obama either I instead try to take a broader look. You on the other hand are getting so emotional and ridiculous.[/quote]
I’m not emotional, just pointing out facts. Have you heard of those little things? They’re left out of the MSLM talking points.
Obama flip-flops, as I pointed out, but that’s okay. But Romney does it and well…he’s a baaaaaad man.
Fortunately, your age group will not turn out to vote for your hero the way they did in 08’. Most are disallusioned.
But you hang in there and keep those stars in your eyes.
Ha ha…
[quote]nickj_777 wrote:
@ZEB i am not naive to believe that politicians won’t flip flop or reverse their points to just get votes. I just would prefer a leader with more integrity.[/quote]
Then don’t vote for Obama. He’s sold out on several occasions. Want me to name all of his flip-flops? Just ask and I’d be glad to. And…he’s done it as President!
Romney said he’d srhinnk the debt. Will he? Dunno…I think he’ll give it a try only because conservatives will be on him if he doesn’t. Obama on the other hand has said no such thing. In fact, he’ll raise it. Remember when he called Bush immoral for having such high debt? And then he raise it more than Bush and he’s only had four years to do it. Give him another four years…let’s see how high he can get it? KOOOL!
Maybe, maybe not.
But Obama wants to raise taxes on the job creators…Hey that will grow the economy huh?
No…guess not.
But we know what Obama will do he’s been there and failed. Logically, we should try someone who wants to take another path. Even if the MSLM doesn’t like him and he’s a (GASP) RICH GUY!
Ego? You don’t want to talk about ego and the Presidency do you? The most arrogant egotistical President in modern times IS Barack Obama. Or have you not seen him giving speeches with his nose up in the air? He’s so great he didn’t even have to practice for the first debate. Except he needed to huh?
Go read a history book. Want some recommendations?
I never said he is a bad man. Jeez. My biggest concern is government debt and not being taken off the fiscal cliff. I said I wish there was a more pragmatic leader. I never said I was voting for Obama or Romney. I never laughed at you either. I was encouraging a broader discussion to hear points out before I decided. I listened to Counting Beans because he is providing insight. You on the other hand are acting so divisive and emotional even if you think you are not. Obama is not this great savior and Romney cannot be expected to make a massive market correction. If we are truly to believe in free markets than the self correcting mechanism in the market often takes years and will not happen in four. There is something wrong with my generation (the Hills, Honey Boo Boo, obesity, short attention spans, etc…) but there is something wrong with our inability to have a discussion not involving staunch positions and ridicule.
I am no saint and need to accept other’s opinions better as well.
ZEB I never even voted for Obama in '08. Of course Obama flip flops (Gitmo). I was just talking about issues with people I wanted to learn from on this site. But yes you are reacting ridiculous for a grown man.
[quote]nickj_777 wrote:
ZEB you make think Romney is really good and yes you can list off less qualified leaders but lets not forget he is no Teddy Roosevelt, Lincoln, or Eisenhower or George H. Bush. Men of principle who had vision and were truly pragmatic leaders.[/quote]
Yetm none of them were respected when running for President, or when holding the office. Lincoln was the most hated man in America by both sides in 1860.
They called Ike an idiot…when he was running. They said what does a man who has dedicated his life to the military know about the fine art of politics? And George H. Bush was compared to a woman’s first husband by the MSLM during the 1988 Presidential election. And then driven from office because of the 1991 recession. Beaten by Bill Clinton (with help from Ross Perot). By the way Clinton never recieved 50% of the vote either time he ran, but we looooove him now don’t we? Ha ha…You have a lot to learn.
These are just men pal. Flawed politicians who were not all that great until after they left office. And sometimes not until they died.
Romney has what it takes. I see it in him and his many accomplishments in life. He is the real deal! Well, let’s say as real as it gets at this level for any of them.
You have to choose. You can make that choice by listening to the MSLM, or you can believe your own eyes and look at the economy. And in case you didn’t know it is horrible.
Obama has failed that is a fact! Will Romney fail if given an opportunity? I’d like to give him the same chance mister hope and change had.
WAIT A MINUTE, NOW!
Don’t be HATIN’ on Honey Boo Boo, nick!
(Carry On…)
Mufasa
[quote]nickj_777 wrote:
ZEB I never even voted for Obama in '08. Of course Obama flip flops (Gitmo). I was just talking about issues with people I wanted to learn from on this site. But yes you are reacting ridiculous for a grown man.[/quote]
Facts suck for those who want Obama.
[quote]nickj_777 wrote:
I never said he is a bad man. Jeez. My biggest concern is government debt and not being taken off the fiscal cliff.[/quote]
Then by all means vote for a man who has incurred more debt than the last three Presidents COMBINED!
I am aware of that but I am laughing at you. You don’t mind do you?
Emotional? Stop acting like a sensitive little boy.
True, they helped put the second worst modern day President in office. The voting age should be raised.
This is PWI if you can’t take it like a man then run away like a little boy. I’m trying to school you junior but you have to pay attention and not talk back as much.
No, you need to shut up until you know what you’re talking about.
Oh, I’m sorry what that overly harsh?
Freaking truth getting in the way again…
Mufasa that was wicked!
ZEB I kinda want to see Obama win to watch you go crazy lol. Even though it could be bad for the economy your post election T-Nation posts will be hilarious.
[quote]nickj_777 wrote:
ZEB I kinda want to see Obama win to watch you go crazy lol. Even though it could be bad for the economy your post election T-Nation posts will be hilarious.[/quote]
If you knew anything about me you wouldn’t say that junior. Regardless of who wins ZEB keeps smiling and making money. So don’t wish harm on the nation on my account. This great country has suffered enough under Obama.
I will leave you alone now I can tell that you’re far too sensitive.
Reread my posts.
No ZEB I am not too sensitive I just was having a conversation this whole time and thank you for having one back (it was a good time) and yes I would vote for Romney but not because of anything you said. No I do not know you I do not presume to know anything about you except that your a hard working American who started his own business with blood, sweat and tears.
Thanks for the informative discussion full of polite discourse. We proved 2 people can have a conversation.
I want to see Romney win to watch Chris Matthews and Rachel Maddow explode, why does that guy look like one of the original Lil Rascals grown up, but not fully grown up.