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[quote]Brad61 wrote:
Minimum wage isn’t scary, either. It doesn’t make much sense to me. This will put a squeeze on small business and the net affect will be lost jobs and fewer part-time workers. Any study shows that very, very, very few full-time wokers make minimum wage. Most are school age kids.

That’s just not true. There are a lot of adults working for minimum wage. And low minimum wage is an anchor on low wages across the board. And there is no proof that small businesses will change their hiring practices based on a shift in the minimum wage. Small businesses hire based on need, not on what the minimum wage is.

A raise in the minimum wage is overdue.

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Right from the talking points. Nice.

No proof? I guess you’ll see it. Check back in with some economic numbers in a few years, numbnuts. We’ve been through all this shit before but you dispshits always forget that your economic policies do not work.

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[quote]Hack Wilson wrote:
Right from the talking points. Nice.

No proof? I guess you’ll see it. Check back in with some economic numbers in a few years, numbnuts. We’ve been through all this shit before but you dispshits always forget that your economic policies do not work. [/quote]

Change your diaper.

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[quote]Hack Wilson wrote:
Right from the talking points. Nice.

No proof? I guess you’ll see it. Check back in with some economic numbers in a few years, numbnuts. We’ve been through all this shit before but you dispshits always forget that your economic policies do not work. [/quote]

LOL. It’s not that simple.

I can’t believe you guys are going to piss and moan money now, after the Republicans have put your country into a massive debt stream.

Oh, what hypocrisy?

Unless you feel minimum wage workers are directly supporting exports, you don’t really have to worry one way another about the effect it will have. It will help some people out, particular those who earn it, and much of the price will be passed on to everyone.

Throwing out a ton of ridiculous statements today, is just showing what a bunch of sore losers we have around here.

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[quote]jsbrook wrote:

So everything that’s morally objectionable to SOME should not be publicly taxed?[/quote]

That’s not what I said, morally objectionable to some and has little/no research viability/payoff. Especially in the short term from a Federal perspective.

The Federal gov’t poured $$$ into the genome only to be bested by private enterprise and the payoff is yet to be truly realized (You could quite easily argue that it hasn’t paid for itself yet). Don’t believe the hype.

Yup, and you may not believe it but I probably don’t approve of them either.

Every poll I’ve seen puts it at about ~2-1 in favor of a more liberal policy (that was the opinion at the time that Bush didn’t repeal the Dickey Amendment). IME, 2 out of every 3 people don’t have enough of a clue to have an opinion.

And I’m not disregarding someone just because they disagree with me, the average person doesn’t distinguish between stem cells and embryonic stem cells, nor do they realize that stem cell therapies are already used and tested despite a ‘Federal Ban’ on them.

http://www.pollingreport.com/science.htm

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[quote]Brad61 wrote:
Minimum wage isn’t scary, either. It doesn’t make much sense to me. This will put a squeeze on small business and the net affect will be lost jobs and fewer part-time workers. Any study shows that very, very, very few full-time wokers make minimum wage. Most are school age kids.

That’s just not true. There are a lot of adults working for minimum wage. And low minimum wage is an anchor on low wages across the board. And there is no proof that small businesses will change their hiring practices based on a shift in the minimum wage. Small businesses hire based on need, not on what the minimum wage is.

A raise in the minimum wage is overdue.

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I would like to see these studies. Very few adults work for minimum wage. Yes, many work for a very LOW wage. But most make more than minimum wage.

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[quote]vroom wrote:
I get concerned when “religious convictions” are used to make governance decisions. Religion is something we personally should have the choice to implement in our lives.

Whether or not most religions have similar viewpoints, the closer the alignment to a religious purpose, the less I trust it.

People are dying by the millions around the world, and I don’t see religious imperatives at work to put an end to that… and those aren’t potential lives, they are real living people being brutalized and killed. What sanctity of life?

There is a not so subtle hypocrisy taking place…[/quote]

Well-said

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[quote]vroom wrote:
What a bunch of nutbirds.

Hell, on his watch we’ve come up with FOX news and now a department of propaganda, towards your own populace, from withing the department of defence. Shame! [/quote]

Vroom you crazy Canadian! It’s hard to take your opinions seriously when you are helping to feed the propaganda machine with misinformation.

Just because Canadians weren’t ALLOWED to watch FOX news doesn’t mean it didn’t exist. Unless of course Bush and Rupert masterminded the creation of FOX news four years prior to Bush taking office!

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[quote]MaloVerde wrote:
Vroom you crazy Canadian! It’s hard to take your opinions seriously when you are helping to feed the propaganda machine with misinformation.

Just because Canadians weren’t ALLOWED to watch FOX news doesn’t mean it didn’t exist. Unless of course Bush and Rupert masterminded the creation of FOX news four years prior to Bush taking office!
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Yeah, sorry, I got a bit excited about the election results… :wink:

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[quote]Hack Wilson wrote:
No proof? I guess you’ll see it. Check back in with some economic numbers in a few years, numbnuts. We’ve been through all this shit before but you dispshits always forget that your economic policies do not work. [/quote]

Hey, don’t forget… inflation doesn’t exist when the Democrats are in power. Raise minimum wage? No problem! It can’t possibly cause inflation and devaluation of the dollar!

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[quote]bigflamer wrote:

Higher minimum wage is scary because it pushes out younger unskilled workers. It’s scary because it involves the government artificially setting wages instead of letting the market do it’s job. It’s scary because it involves the government placing a higher burden on small business. It’s scary for alot of reasons.

100m, do you believe in a free market democracy?

Adult stem cell research I don’t have a problem with, it’s embryonic stem cell research that I think is scary. Abortion clinics providing the stem cells for this research is scary. Pelosi is a rabid defender of abortion rights, and to me, that is scary.

Pelosi is the liberal boogyman. She scares me. She is as much of an extremist for the left as anybody on the right.

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I like this, the same assholes who wouldn’t think of raising the minimum wage because it might push out younger unskilled workers, are the same people who don’t bat an eye when CEO’s pay themselves 300% more than they did 12 years ago. Stop the bull and lies. The workers in this country have been getting pissed on for a long time and everytime they complain, idiots like this, piss on them and tell them it is raining.

I’m beginning to think that what might end America, is the same thing that made it so great. Greed. I’m not saying greed is a bad thing, but too much of it is a bad thing. You need only look at the current relationship management has with its employees in any company to see this.

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I swear, some of this right wing end of the world BS is approaching the illuminati level of absurdity. Let’s be very clear on one thing: even if the outlandish assertion that everyone with a “D” after their name is batshit crazy were actually true, the democrats’ actions are still constrained by their circumstances.

The senate will be very closely divided and with many more moderate democrats from conservative districts than the opposite, little revolutionary will be seen out of that body. Likewise the house was won through the strength of moderate democrats picking up the center which had been abandoned by many right wingers and those reps are interested enough in reelection not to swing hard left. Then of course we have the most obvious constraint of all in the form of a hostile president.

Lacking anywhere near veto proof majorities for anything, the democrats will get little done beyond their limited mandate of not being republican- assuming they even try much before 08- and we will all prosper as a result.

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[quote]etaco wrote:
I swear, some of this right wing end of the world BS is approaching the illuminati level of absurdity. Let’s be very clear on one thing: even if the outlandish assertion that everyone with a “D” after their name is batshit crazy were actually true, the democrats’ actions are still constrained by their circumstances.

The senate will be very closely divided and with many more moderate democrats from conservative districts than the opposite, little revolutionary will be seen out of that body. Likewise the house was won through the strength of moderate democrats picking up the center which had been abandoned by many right wingers and those reps are interested enough in reelection not to swing hard left. Then of course we have the most obvious constraint of all in the form of a hostile president.

Lacking anywhere near veto proof majorities for anything, the democrats will get little done beyond their limited mandate of not being republican- assuming they even try much before 08- and we will all prosper as a result. [/quote]

Good Post.

I lean right, but I think a Dem controlled House and GOP controlled Senate and WH are a great thing*. I’m looking forward to two years of federal government deadlock!

95% of the time, Federal Government INaction is preferable to federal government action.

*I do think some of the senior leaders of the Dems (the Loony Left: Pelosi, Reid, Clinton, Kennedy, and Kerry) are horrible, and I do not want them anywhere near positions of real power. However, I think the current situation won’t grant them any, so I’m willing to roll the dice on a Dem-controlled House.

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The good news for me is that I count as a minority. I can just stand their with my hand out, whooohooo! They will take your wealth and redistribute it to me!!

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[quote]100meters wrote:
Why is a higher minimum wage and stem-cell research “scary”?[/quote]

Unless you make minimum wage, your salary isn’t going to get adjusted percentage-wise with the minimum wage hike. People who started at minimum and have WORKED their way up to what minimum wage will be adjusted to won’t get a proportional increase, either. Therefore, everyone NOT making minimum wage will have taken a step BACK on the payscale.
The cost of the minimum wage hike will be passed on to the end consumer, not absorbed by the employers, therefore the prices of goods and services will increase, as well. Therefore- ANOTHER step BACK for the middle class worker.

That’s why a minimum wage hike is scary.

A balance of power is Washington would be a good thing, but neither party will work WITH the other party, anyway. The Dems refused to work WITH the GOP while the GOP was in power and I sincerely doubt that the GOP will work WITH the Dems. It will all further polarize and divide our great country further. Sad, isn’t it.

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[quote]tGunslinger wrote:
etaco wrote:
I swear, some of this right wing end of the world BS is approaching the illuminati level of absurdity. Let’s be very clear on one thing: even if the outlandish assertion that everyone with a “D” after their name is batshit crazy were actually true, the democrats’ actions are still constrained by their circumstances.

The senate will be very closely divided and with many more moderate democrats from conservative districts than the opposite, little revolutionary will be seen out of that body. Likewise the house was won through the strength of moderate democrats picking up the center which had been abandoned by many right wingers and those reps are interested enough in reelection not to swing hard left. Then of course we have the most obvious constraint of all in the form of a hostile president.

Lacking anywhere near veto proof majorities for anything, the democrats will get little done beyond their limited mandate of not being republican- assuming they even try much before 08- and we will all prosper as a result.

Good Post.

I lean right, but I think a Dem controlled House and GOP controlled Senate and WH are a great thing*. I’m looking forward to two years of federal government deadlock!

95% of the time, Federal Government INaction is preferable to federal government action.

*I do think some of the senior leaders of the Dems (the Loony Left: Pelosi, Reid, Clinton, Kennedy, and Kerry) are horrible, and I do not want them anywhere near positions of real power. However, I think the current situation won’t grant them any, so I’m willing to roll the dice on a Dem-controlled House.[/quote]

both spot-on posts

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[quote]mica617 wrote:
People who started at minimum and have WORKED their way up to what minimum wage will be adjusted to won’t get a proportional increase, either. Therefore, everyone NOT making minimum wage will have taken a step BACK on the payscale.[/quote]

Okay, this is just plain silly. Yes, you aren’t as “elevated” above the bottom for a little while… oh no, the horror, how dare the world allow anyone to earn nearly as much as me!

Maybe if I was worth a lot more than minimum wage I’d have the balls to ask for more pay once this happened?

The rest of your point is more arguable, but the above is really just a silly excuse to complain for no reason.

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[quote]Hack Wilson wrote:

What is scary is partial birth abortions. Those are fun, huh? A woman’s right, though, eh? Hey! We’ve got to protect Row and if we say we can pop a kid’s head open while his feet are out of the womb then we might lose the argument if his feet are IN the womb. So let’s do it! Real fucking progressive! I feel more cultured just TALKING about it.

Fuck off.[/quote]

Hack, I couldn’t agree more. PBA is something only Nazis could think of. It is simply Satanic. Anyone participating in such a horror show should have to be re-conceived and have it done to them.

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[quote]bigflamer wrote:

100m, do you believe in a free market democracy?

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He’d have to know what those things are before he can decide that he hates them.

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[quote]vroom wrote:
mica617 wrote:
People who started at minimum and have WORKED their way up to what minimum wage will be adjusted to won’t get a proportional increase, either. Therefore, everyone NOT making minimum wage will have taken a step BACK on the payscale.

Okay, this is just plain silly. Yes, you aren’t as “elevated” above the bottom for a little while… oh no, the horror, how dare the world allow anyone to earn nearly as much as me!

Maybe if I was worth a lot more than minimum wage I’d have the balls to ask for more pay once this happened?

The rest of your point is more arguable, but the above is really just a silly excuse to complain for no reason.[/quote]

So- suppose- the only job that you could get or were qualified for was a minimum wage job- just suppose. You work there for 8 or 9 years and get your piddly annual increase. Now all of a sudden, minimum wage is increased to exactly what you are making now. After 8-9 years, you are back to making minimum wage.

That’s how it will work for the lower class. They aren’t getting the great deal that is being presented to them.

This doesn’t piss you off???

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[quote]ALDurr wrote:
vroom wrote:
What a bunch of nutbirds.

I mean, I think it is fair to be uncomfortable with the direction that somewhat might take the country.

For example, Bush has changed the tone in Washington to the worse, worked very hard to evade or minimize oversight, come as close to lying to the public as is possible on many occasions, and justified a policy of pre-emption. Hell, on his watch we’ve come up with FOX news and now a department of propaganda, towards your own populace, from withing the department of defence. Shame!

Not to mention that he’s been spending money like a drunken sailor.

So, if the democrats can put the brakes on a few of those issues, that would actually be good for the country.

On the other hand, we have people who are all upset because their precise moral imperatives may not be as easy to force onto others… it just isn’t the same thing.

Funny how when liberals feel moral issues they are decried, but when republicans feel moral issues, they feel justified in acting on them.

No, what’s really funny is that they are all doom and gloom and acting like little punk bitches just because their team lost. These are the same guys that gave the other side shit for doing the same thing when they lost a few years ago.

Bottom line is that no one knows what’s going to happen in the next few years and pissing and moaning about it doesn’t do a thing except show that you need to wear a skirt. Sac up already and prepare for battle![/quote]

I don’t see or hear any Republicans screaming ‘Fraud!’ and vote suppression. I don’t see them acting as if Congress was theirs by right, like the Dems did.

If you want to tell someone to sack up, tell the nearest lib (like I’m telling you).

BTW: It was women who put the Dems in; men tended to vote Republican. Ah, the fair sex, putting the Dems in, just like women put Hitler in.

Soccer moms SHOULD NOT vote!
Let’s cancel that amendment.

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