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…to embrace the horror that is speaker Pelosi. This is not a good turn of events for the U.S. IMHO. But one thing is for sure, the GOP did this to themselves. Wreckless spending, scandel, lousy immigration policies, and an open embrace of the bible thumping religious right.

I find myself getting farther and farther away from the GOP. I’m also starting to think that America’s answer isn’t going to be found in either major political party. All that being said, a democrat majority scares the living piss out of me.

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[quote]bigflamer wrote:
…to embrace the horror that is speaker Pelosi. This is not a good turn of events for the U.S. IMHO. But one thing is for sure, the GOP did this to themselves. Wreckless spending, scandel, lousy immigration policies, and an open embrace of the bible thumping religious right.

I find myself getting farther and farther away from the GOP. I’m also starting to think that America’s answer isn’t going to be found in either major political party. All that being said, a democrat majority scares the living piss out of me.[/quote]

Why is a higher minimum wage and stem-cell research “scary”?

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[quote]100meters wrote:

Why is a higher minimum wage and stem-cell research “scary”?[/quote]

And don’t forget that she wants to stop the GOP practice of letting industry lobbyists write their own legislation. Damn that scares me. Boo!

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[quote]100meters wrote:
bigflamer wrote:
…to embrace the horror that is speaker Pelosi. This is not a good turn of events for the U.S. IMHO. But one thing is for sure, the GOP did this to themselves. Wreckless spending, scandel, lousy immigration policies, and an open embrace of the bible thumping religious right.

I find myself getting farther and farther away from the GOP. I’m also starting to think that America’s answer isn’t going to be found in either major political party. All that being said, a democrat majority scares the living piss out of me.

Why is a higher minimum wage and stem-cell research “scary”?[/quote]

Obviously stem-cell research is not scary. It’s legal. It’s happening now. Did you know that? If you watch Fox and limosine liberals you’d think it was banned by the Geneva Convention. No. No one will perform EMBYOTIC STEM CELL research unless the government pays for it because it’s been a bust so far. Private firms won’t shell out money on it because it’s a loser. But it’s tied to their precious Row so we’ve got to put up with all this bullshit.

Minimum wage isn’t scary, either. It doesn’t make much sense to me. This will put a squeeze on small business and the net affect will be lost jobs and fewer part-time workers. Any study shows that very, very, very few full-time wokers make minimum wage. Most are school age kids.

What is scary is partial birth abortions. Those are fun, huh? A woman’s right, though, eh? Hey! We’ve got to protect Row and if we say we can pop a kid’s head open while his feet are out of the womb then we might lose the argument if his feet are IN the womb. So let’s do it! Real fucking progressive! I feel more cultured just TALKING about it.

Fuck off.

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ROTFLMFAO!

Arrogance comes before a fall.

The GOP can easily regroup in in the next 2 years and retake the house and the senate (if they loses in VA).

Our next President shall be a Republican.

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[quote]100meters wrote:
bigflamer wrote:
…to embrace the horror that is speaker Pelosi. This is not a good turn of events for the U.S. IMHO. But one thing is for sure, the GOP did this to themselves. Wreckless spending, scandel, lousy immigration policies, and an open embrace of the bible thumping religious right.

I find myself getting farther and farther away from the GOP. I’m also starting to think that America’s answer isn’t going to be found in either major political party. All that being said, a democrat majority scares the living piss out of me.

Why is a higher minimum wage and stem-cell research “scary”?[/quote]

Higher minimum wage is scary because it pushes out younger unskilled workers. It’s scary because it involves the government artificially setting wages instead of letting the market do it’s job. It’s scary because it involves the government placing a higher burden on small business. It’s scary for alot of reasons.

100m, do you believe in a free market democracy?

Adult stem cell research I don’t have a problem with, it’s embryonic stem cell research that I think is scary. Abortion clinics providing the stem cells for this research is scary. Pelosi is a rabid defender of abortion rights, and to me, that is scary.

Pelosi is the liberal boogyman. She scares me. She is as much of an extremist for the left as anybody on the right.

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Welp, The Republicans had thier ass handed to them. What sucks is that most people were firing the republicans vs. just merly voting democratic. Hey, the Rep’s had their chance. They didn’t do shit about illegal immigration, now they all get a amnesty and a pass.

They were supposed to shrink government not grow it, now it will get even bigger, they were supposed to be fiscally resposible but they spent like they stole it…oh wait, they did. Time to embrace the new power.

FREE ABORTIONS AND FOOD STAMPS FOR EVERYBODY!!

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[quote]bigflamer wrote:

it’s embryonic stem cell research that I think is scary. Abortion clinics providing the stem cells for this research is scary.
[/quote]

Embryonic stems cells come from unused and otherwise discarded embryos provided by fertility clinics. Why all of sudden would they come from abortion clinics? Do you really believe the propaganda that federal funding of stem cell research is going to create a market for aborted embryos?

Here’s how this works, in a nutshell. You and your old lady are having trouble producing little flamers. You go to a fertility clinic and they take some of her eggs. Then you jack off in a cup, and they use your swimmers to fertilize her eggs. Then they implant a few of the fertilized eggs in her uterus and see if any take. It might take several tries before one grabs hold.

After Flaming Jr comes along you (and the now 60lbs heavier Mrs Flamer) decide that you’re done, and the remaining embryos are no longer needed. They can now be destroyed as medical waste, stored in liquid nitrogen, or donated for research. Why is using them for medical research such a big deal, verses going poof in the incinerator?

These eggs aren’t going to be adopted, like in some Bush fantasy, and they aren’t going to get a “proper” burial. They’re trash.

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What a bunch of nutbirds.

I mean, I think it is fair to be uncomfortable with the direction that somewhat might take the country.

For example, Bush has changed the tone in Washington to the worse, worked very hard to evade or minimize oversight, come as close to lying to the public as is possible on many occasions, and justified a policy of pre-emption. Hell, on his watch we’ve come up with FOX news and now a department of propaganda, towards your own populace, from withing the department of defence. Shame!

Not to mention that he’s been spending money like a drunken sailor.

So, if the democrats can put the brakes on a few of those issues, that would actually be good for the country.

On the other hand, we have people who are all upset because their precise moral imperatives may not be as easy to force onto others… it just isn’t the same thing.

Funny how when liberals feel moral issues they are decried, but when republicans feel moral issues, they feel justified in acting on them.

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[quote]tme wrote:
100meters wrote:

Why is a higher minimum wage and stem-cell research “scary”?

And don’t forget that she wants to stop the GOP practice of letting industry lobbyists write their own legislation. Damn that scares me. Boo![/quote]

Would you be willing to bet this gets done? Or are we just going to get a different set of industry lobbyists?

Kind of like the GOP and term limits, when you’re not in office, it’s a great way to garner votes.

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[quote]vroom wrote:
What a bunch of nutbirds.

I mean, I think it is fair to be uncomfortable with the direction that somewhat might take the country.

For example, Bush has changed the tone in Washington to the worse, worked very hard to evade or minimize oversight, come as close to lying to the public as is possible on many occasions, and justified a policy of pre-emption. Hell, on his watch we’ve come up with FOX news and now a department of propaganda, towards your own populace, from withing the department of defence. Shame!

Not to mention that he’s been spending money like a drunken sailor.

So, if the democrats can put the brakes on a few of those issues, that would actually be good for the country.

On the other hand, we have people who are all upset because their precise moral imperatives may not be as easy to force onto others… it just isn’t the same thing.

Funny how when liberals feel moral issues they are decried, but when republicans feel moral issues, they feel justified in acting on them.[/quote]

No, what’s really funny is that they are all doom and gloom and acting like little punk bitches just because their team lost. These are the same guys that gave the other side shit for doing the same thing when they lost a few years ago.

Bottom line is that no one knows what’s going to happen in the next few years and pissing and moaning about it doesn’t do a thing except show that you need to wear a skirt. Sac up already and prepare for battle!

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[quote]lucasa wrote:
tme wrote:
100meters wrote:

Why is a higher minimum wage and stem-cell research “scary”?

And don’t forget that she wants to stop the GOP practice of letting industry lobbyists write their own legislation. Damn that scares me. Boo!

Would you be willing to bet this gets done? Or are we just going to get a different set of industry lobbyists?

Kind of like the GOP and term limits, when you’re not in office, it’s a great way to garner votes.[/quote]

I agree, nothing is going to change just who’s getting the money. Remember, the republicans AND the democrats voted 9 times for their own pay raises while minimum wage was stuck at one level, not just the republicans.

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[quote]tme wrote:

These eggs aren’t going to be adopted, like in some Bush fantasy, and they aren’t going to get a “proper” burial. They’re trash.[/quote]

A) It’s not a Bush fantasy, it’s a Jay Dickey proposed and Bill Clinton signed fantasy. Bush just vetoed to maintain it on future cell lines.

B) Just because they’re trash doesn’t mean they should be used for research, nor does it mean that people should be forced to fund it. I’m as close to the pro-life/choice fence as you can get, I have no ethical problem with using these embryos for research. But since it is apparently morally objectionable to some, I can’t see making them pay taxes to support it. If you choose to pay, donate some money, the Gates and MJFF foundations have poured out plenty. Dickey/Clinton and now Bush has made the right decision.

C) Argue up and down ethical nature of it and it still doesn’t matter. Stem cells treat disease now. ESCs don’t. Vaccines to treat diseases that ESCs might are being tested now. The pluripotency of adult stem cells is being stretched now (in some cases further than ESCs). Why pay for something that might do some/all of these things if it requires repealing amendments and forcing people to pay (more) taxes?

Pelosi’s in the wrong and while he’s not faking, Fox is grasping at straws to cure his disease (not that I wouldn’t).

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[quote]100meters wrote:
Why is a higher minimum wage and stem-cell research “scary”?[/quote]

Higher minimum wage devalues the dollar and causes inflation dip shit. That is why it is a bad thing. stemcell research is only scary if they are kill babies to get the stem cells, otherwise, it’s fine.

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[quote]bigflamer wrote:
100meters wrote:
bigflamer wrote:
…to embrace the horror that is speaker Pelosi. This is not a good turn of events for the U.S. IMHO. But one thing is for sure, the GOP did this to themselves. Wreckless spending, scandel, lousy immigration policies, and an open embrace of the bible thumping religious right.

I find myself getting farther and farther away from the GOP. I’m also starting to think that America’s answer isn’t going to be found in either major political party. All that being said, a democrat majority scares the living piss out of me.

Why is a higher minimum wage and stem-cell research “scary”?

Higher minimum wage is scary because it pushes out younger unskilled workers. It’s scary because it involves the government artificially setting wages instead of letting the market do it’s job. It’s scary because it involves the government placing a higher burden on small business. It’s scary for alot of reasons.

100m, do you believe in a free market democracy?

Adult stem cell research I don’t have a problem with, it’s embryonic stem cell research that I think is scary. Abortion clinics providing the stem cells for this research is scary. Pelosi is a rabid defender of abortion rights, and to me, that is scary.

Pelosi is the liberal boogyman. She scares me. She is as much of an extremist for the left as anybody on the right.

[/quote]

Good. Now you know how we’ve felt for the past right years with dickless as President.

Anything using stem cells for research and possible development for cures is a good thing. I don’t give a shit where they came from.

And minimum wage increase doesn’t effect that many people…what, 2 million out of 300 million? I’m glad there is one set, because I believe that bosses would fuck workers over if there wasn’t, but the time when it was really important is gone. Stop being an alarmist man. Your free market is fine.

But of course, in Jersey, if you’re making minimum wage then you’re not even trying to find a real job. Illegal Mexicans make twice the minimum for doing landscaping here.

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[quote]pat36 wrote:
Welp, The Republicans had thier ass handed to them. What sucks is that most people were firing the republicans vs. just merly voting democratic. Hey, the Rep’s had their chance. They didn’t do shit about illegal immigration, now they all get a amnesty and a pass.

They were supposed to shrink government not grow it, now it will get even bigger, they were supposed to be fiscally resposible but they spent like they stole it…oh wait, they did. Time to embrace the new power.

FREE ABORTIONS AND FOOD STAMPS FOR EVERYBODY!![/quote]

That’s better than the rubber stamp bullshit department they’d become.

Man, I’m laughing now…hard. And happily.

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[quote]bigflamer wrote:
100meters wrote:
bigflamer wrote:
…to embrace the horror that is speaker Pelosi. This is not a good turn of events for the U.S. IMHO. But one thing is for sure, the GOP did this to themselves. Wreckless spending, scandel, lousy immigration policies, and an open embrace of the bible thumping religious right.

I find myself getting farther and farther away from the GOP. I’m also starting to think that America’s answer isn’t going to be found in either major political party. All that being said, a democrat majority scares the living piss out of me.

Why is a higher minimum wage and stem-cell research “scary”?

Higher minimum wage is scary because it pushes out younger unskilled workers. It’s scary because it involves the government artificially setting wages instead of letting the market do it’s job. It’s scary because it involves the government placing a higher burden on small business. It’s scary for alot of reasons.

100m, do you believe in a free market democracy?

Adult stem cell research I don’t have a problem with, it’s embryonic stem cell research that I think is scary. Abortion clinics providing the stem cells for this research is scary. Pelosi is a rabid defender of abortion rights, and to me, that is scary.

Pelosi is the liberal boogyman. She scares me. She is as much of an extremist for the left as anybody on the right.

[/quote]

This is true. But, particulary with the moderate Democrats that displaced lousy Republican candidates, she hopefully will not have support of her own party if she tries to foster to liberal of an agenda. I think she must realize this. Embryonic stem cell research is a positive thing. It shows a lot of promise and there ARE private companies that are sponsoring it. There’s just not enough money in the private sector to make significant progress and inroads. Somehow people completely ignore the fact that all of the embryos are not viable, and there’s nothing that they can otherwise be use for. If one wants to take the view that they are ‘alive’ they are going to die eventually from the sheer passage of time. They can’t be preserved forever. And mere preservation is the only thing being done with the embryos in question.
I don’t know how I feel about the minimum wage. I don’t really think it’s a positive development. The jobs it is paid for probably fairly merit the existing minimum wage. But it’s not going to hurt small business. Very few of the people employed by small businesses are minimum-wage employees. Most have some modicum of skill and are making somewhat more than that. It is large corporations that employ the majority of minimum wage workers. Of course, this will make it even more likey for certain industries to employ illegal labor given the disastrous approach to immigration. Picking fruit is a job that Americans would do. Just not for the prices that illegals would do it. Being a janitor is not exactly a glamourous job either. If companies that employed illegal labor were taxed the hell out of as punishment, those jobs could be performed by Americans. There would only be a corresponding increase in the price of products and a loss of products for big corporations as well. That’s why the big-business pandering governement has never seriously tried to crack down on this aspect. Maybe they still will. It would be a much better use of political capital than increasing the minimum wage.

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[quote]lucasa wrote:
tme wrote:

These eggs aren’t going to be adopted, like in some Bush fantasy, and they aren’t going to get a “proper” burial. They’re trash.

A) It’s not a Bush fantasy, it’s a Jay Dickey proposed and Bill Clinton signed fantasy. Bush just vetoed to maintain it on future cell lines.

B) Just because they’re trash doesn’t mean they should be used for research, nor does it mean that people should be forced to fund it. I’m as close to the pro-life/choice fence as you can get, I have no ethical problem with using these embryos for research. But since it is apparently morally objectionable to some, I can’t see making them pay taxes to support it. If you choose to pay, donate some money, the Gates and MJFF foundations have poured out plenty. Dickey/Clinton and now Bush has made the right decision.

C) Argue up and down ethical nature of it and it still doesn’t matter. Stem cells treat disease now. ESCs don’t. Vaccines to treat diseases that ESCs might are being tested now. The pluripotency of adult stem cells is being stretched now (in some cases further than ESCs). Why pay for something that might do some/all of these things if it requires repealing amendments and forcing people to pay (more) taxes?

Pelosi’s in the wrong and while he’s not faking, Fox is grasping at straws to cure his disease (not that I wouldn’t).[/quote]

So everything that’s morally objectionable to SOME should not be publicly taxed? That would apply to half a dozen other things that the MAJORITY of the public and government leaders have decided should be publically funded. I don’t know the statistics on public support of embryonic cell research. I would like to see some polls if anyone has any links to any. But if many more support it than don’t, it should be publically funded.

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I get concerned when “religious convictions” are used to make governance decisions. Religion is something we personally should have the choice to implement in our lives.

Whether or not most religions have similar viewpoints, the closer the alignment to a religious purpose, the less I trust it.

People are dying by the millions around the world, and I don’t see religious imperatives at work to put an end to that… and those aren’t potential lives, they are real living people being brutalized and killed. What sanctity of life?

There is a not so subtle hypocrisy taking place…

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That’s just not true. There are a lot of adults working for minimum wage. And low minimum wage is an anchor on low wages across the board. And there is no proof that small businesses will change their hiring practices based on a shift in the minimum wage. Small businesses hire based on need, not on what the minimum wage is.

A raise in the minimum wage is overdue.