5.7MM third party votes
I don’t mind being the one to say it at all…I told you so.
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With you. It’s a good thing I’m not a betting person, Doc. I was just certain we’d have President Clinton this morning. Wow. Let’s all hope he brings in some good people, and moderate heads prevail. I’m worried about that. He’s not a young man.
Nice to see you posting a little bit here. I’ve missed see you around as well. I was hoping you’d have time to talk Libertarianism on my thread sometime. I think you’re the most consistently, over a long period of time, Libertarian thinker on the forum.
My thoughts feel like they’ve been spun in a blender this morning. WOW.
I’m not saying less people didn’t stay home in a bubble, I’m saying the swing between “i stayed home” and “i voted for the rare occasion” isn’t that big.
I don’t think the “I’m finally going to vote because my racist ass finally has someone to support” vote exists, let alone outnumbered the “I’m staying home because these people such” vote.
If this is true it should be picked up by American news outlets - I’ll wait for that
As I said one year ago it’s difficult for either party to pull the hat trick. Reagan two terms to Bush did it last. in 1988. Before that we have to go back to Roosevelt to Truman. I knew it was not going to happen with Hillary.
And of course as I said she had nothing going for her as a candidate. Literally the worst pick that the dems have made since Dukakis in 1988.
It’s a moratorium on the last 8 years. People didn’t yell and scream, they bided their time and on election day, beat them like a drum… It’s the most stunning result I have ever seen.
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Agreed. The Democrats need to take a hard, honest look at themselves, and figure out how to rebuild. And they’ll have plenty of opportunities - who has faith Trump isn’t going to mess this up? - but they have to a start over and turn the volume down on the “bubble liberals” driving the party since Obasma was elected.
Speaking of Obama, his tenure contributed largely to this epic meltdown, and his legacy is (amazingly) that he lost the (big) Democratic majority during his eight years and capped it off with a complete repudiation of his time and Republican control over all branches. I know Hillary was on the ballot, but this loss was in the making for years, and that’s on Obama as well.
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Trump being elected with republican majorities in both houses actually follows the pattern predicted by an 8 year cycle. We are now beginning a new cycle.
–At the beginning of the cycle, a new president is elected from the party opposite the previous president. The new President’s party has a majority in both houses.
–Two years later, the president’s party loses the majority in the midterm elections.
–Two years later, the president gets re-elected and makes ground in congress but fails to regain a majority.
–Two years later (second midterms)The president’s party loses more ground in Congress.
–Two years later, it starts over.
This cycle has almost precisely predicted control of the legislative and executive branches every year since 1992. The exception is that during Bush 11 the Republicans didn’t lose control of Congress until the second midterm.
The interesting thing is that in each case as a new president was elected the rumor was that the losing party was collapsing and the winning party was ushering in a new era of long term dominance of government. In 2000 people talked about how Republicans would control everything for the foreseeable future. In 2008 the idea was floated that Republicans would be wandering the wilderness for decades. Yet here we are, 8 years later.
Now, obviously there is nothing hard and fast about this cycle. One thing to consider is that the 2018 senate map is really rough for Democrats. But I would suspect that Democrats won’t be out in the wilderness for long.
On the other hand, I do hope that Trump and Republicans can capitalize on the chance to make some real changes. The supreme court could change bigly. Ruth Bader Ginsburg makes my skin crawl and it would be sweet karma to see her replaced by a Trump appointee. Repealing Obamacare and implementing term limits in Congress should also be on the agenda.
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Yes, it is. Which explains why states like Wisconsin and Pennsylvania flipped.
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Do you think WV senator will indeed flip to GOP?
Can’t say much about Wisconsin, but a whole lot of PA has been seething about the war on coal, and many interests large and small that don’t want to see the shale gas industry getting whacked by further tax and regulation.
Tough to say, but I predict he will. He’s a natural moderate, and he wants to be part of the action. Well, now the action is all on the Republican side - they can run the table on anything they want. Manchin can remain a Democrat and be on the outside looking in, or switch parties and be able to caucus with Republicans and give his two cents on policy. So I think he’ll switch.
He could remain a Democrat and be an important powerbroker for bipartisan policy, but I suspect Trump and Congressional Republicans will be in no mood to get Democrat votes or involvement (tit for tat because of how Obama care was handled - comeuppance for Obama and Democrats who “won” in 2008), and so there’s no future for a moderate dealmaker from the minority party. So Manchin will be better off switching parties, I think.
Man, I feel at sea, because the air here is so tremendously SALTY.
Theres also a tad of childish glee in my step.
Not because some people are literally crying or trying to misadjust their deplorable views.
It is partly because the surreal irony persists: no matter what happens, understanding the real issues seems not to be on the priority list.
Instead, let’s all feel a vague connection to a moral supergroup by cultivating strong condemnations!
The worst kinds of presidents are those who stuff their pockets and let corporations run wild.
Some called it (although I assume Alex Jones was just lucky) but every voting man should’ve been able to understand the stakes since the leaks- Hillary was easily(!) the worst candidate ever:
Lying, corrupt, scheming.
Her choice of staff was…bewildering. Her only moments of competence shone through when she displayed that remarkable chuzpah handling fallouts. She has zero qualms blaming Russia, sabre-rattling 80s style, while also selling them strategic reserves of uranium.
Aaaaaand, she’s very, very sick!
(We could go on discussing the various pedophilia plots, the housemaid-incident, the Bernie conspiracies etc etc but there has to be a limit!)
Trump is a competent billionaire who says mean things.
But: he unabashedly touched upon many taboos that no polished career bureaucrat would even look at with a ten-foot telescope (globalism, race, illegal mass-migration, islam, PC etc).
That this ball is now rolling is a magnificent accomplishment.
Whatever happens next, which bizarre ideology one is following, everyone should be thankful for that.
Only the most disfunctional idiots won’t understand that the US won’t fall apart just because the POTUS sports a (TRT infused?) penis and not a shrivelled vagina dentata.
However, those finally mentioned taboos could’ve just managed to strangle some star spangled dreams into veritable crises.
So yes, he’s far from perfect (dunno, 6 out of 10?) but all those slick constitutional experts and posh son-in-laws would’ve been only marginally better than Obama- blind pawns of giant conglomerats.
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It was discussed last night–South Park will have material for decades. I think even some of his aides were thinking he’d lose in that fashion. I was terribly wrong as well.
Don’t do that. Someone much less intelligent will take your place.
Also and as important for me, Zeb is no longer posting here. As far as I see it that nullifies your bet since he is gone
People like usmc, smh, sloth are people I learn from quite a bit when I disagree with them and when I agree. I don’t come onto this forum to be right all the time, I come to trade ideas–when the people I am trading with decide to leave it lessens the desirability of me staying simply by lessening the amount I can learn. That sucks ass.
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The major American Media wasn’t real fast to report that Wikileaks said it wasn’t the Russians. so they’re being fair I guess. Leaving us fairly ignorant
Hell if I ever came to things like this to always be right. well obviously I would have some kind of mental condition if I believed that.
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Primary:
Trump is a clown they said…he will never beat these real politicians they said…
Trump gets more votes than any other GOP candidate in history.
General Election:
I can’t believe they nominated him they said…The GOP is done they said…
Trump kicks Hillary’s ass and carries both houses of Congress with him.
And he will have the SCOTUS before long.
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