Ha ha, never mess with an attorney. Often it pays to make a fuss.
Concerning PN:
I would not discount it as just newbie stuff. I bought the first version and the cook book with its great recipes and cooking tips were worth the price alone. PN with its emphasis on green veggies has markedly influenced the way I eat for the better.
Not arguing, like I said he got a freebie. Sad that now PN will have to reword their terms because of him. But oh well.
You got the prize man, now the question is can you actually put it to good use?
[quote]Aggro wrote:
Not arguing, like I said he got a freebie. Sad that now PN will have to reword their terms because of him. But oh well.
You got the prize man, now the question is can you actually put it to good use? [/quote]
The prize is yet to come. Eyes on the prize. I hope I can put this tool (that’s all it is) to good use. The Velocity Diet has been great.
So you were a beginner that did the V-Diet then PN…? Physiques are not purchased hoss…
[quote]msd0060 wrote:
So you were a beginner that did the V-Diet then PN…? Physiques are not purchased hoss…[/quote]
Your profile says you’ve been training for 1.5 years. And you’re calling me a beginner when I first started lifting over 30 years ago? Do you think only beginners do the V-Diet? Maybe you should try it. Weight training isn’t purchased, but weight equipment is. Good nutrtition can be bought, but so can bad nutrtition. Likewise, both good and bad information can be purchased. Your comment is absurd.
At 5’7", 193 lbs and 22% body fat you better consider yourself a beginner on training forum. Saying you have trained for 30 years just makes it sound worse.
[quote]ajweins wrote:
At 5’7", 193 lbs and 22% body fat you better consider yourself a beginner on training forum. Saying you have trained for 30 years just makes it sound worse. [/quote]
Or I can just say “decreasing” for body fat percentage, which is what you did. Truth is the body fat % was computed using an electronic gizmo, which is obviously wrong based on progress. I have ordered skin fold calipers to get a better reading. Wouldn’t want to sound bad or anything.
By the way, that Burger King dude in your avatar is extremely gay. There’s one commercial where he even wakes up in bed with a guy. How did you come to choose that one?
[quote]blw3 wrote:
ajweins wrote:
At 5’7", 193 lbs and 22% body fat you better consider yourself a beginner on training forum. Saying you have trained for 30 years just makes it sound worse.
Or I can just say “decreasing” for body fat percentage, which is what you did. Truth is the body fat % was computed using an electronic gizmo, which is obviously wrong based on progress. I have ordered skin fold calipers to get a better reading. Wouldn’t want to sound bad or anything.
By the way, that Burger King dude in your avatar is extremely gay. There’s one commercial where he even wakes up in bed with a guy. How did you come to choose that one?[/quote]
Yikes. It is true, I did not list a specific body fat % because I do not have an accurate means of testing it. I started a diet four weeks ago since my last progress pic in my profile. Also, I am getting my body fat tested april 20 and we will see where I am at. But enough about me. It is rediculous that you are insulted when someone calls you a beginner when every stat about you says you are a beginner. No one cares how long you have been training.
And everyone loves the king. If I woke up to him giving me an egg croissant I would be thrilled.
Edit: I was not trying to call you out or anything, I just thought it was a little silly for your to use your years of training to justify your superiority to msd. If I would have known you would have taken it so personally that you would insult my avatar I would not have said anything. I have no desire to get in an e-war with some guy twice my age. You got your stuff from PN so congrats on that and /thread
[quote]ajweins wrote:
blw3 wrote:
Yikes. It is true, I did not list a specific body fat % because I do not have an accurate means of testing it. I started a diet four weeks ago since my last progress pic in my profile. Also, I am getting my body fat tested april 20 and we will see where I am at. But enough about me. It is rediculous that you are insulted when someone calls you a beginner when every stat about you says you are a beginner. No one cares how long you have been training. [/quote]
Sorry, but 5’7" and 193 lbs. don’t say beginner. I guess I should have done as you did, and not listed any body fat % until I get it accurately tested. Then I wouldn’t have others who have not had their body fat % accurately tested complaining about my body fat %.
Just Google: burger king guy in bed is gay
See what you come up with.
[quote]Edit: I was not trying to call you out or anything, I just thought it was a little silly for your to use your years of training to justify your superiority to msd. If I would have known you would have taken it so personally that you would insult my avatar I would not have said anything. I have no desire to get in an e-war with some guy twice my age. You got your stuff from PN so congrats on that and /thread [/quote] I hope you stick with it as long as I have. You will never regret it. Just don’t let the body fat % slip the way I did. Life can hit hard.
[quote]blw3 wrote:
pumped340 wrote:
I can’t imagine why anyone who’s not completely new to this would buy it. Any info in the book can be found at multiple places on this site and many others
I bought it largely based on the recommendation of Chris Shugart as a follow-up to the Velocity Diet. I’m sure the info is many places, but I’m looking for a system to put it all together. The info alone has not been enough. I needed a system, which the Velocity Diet has provided. Once that ends, I needed another plan.[/quote]
It’s ironic, really. PN is the complete antithesis of the Velocity Diet.
this thread has turned gay, good job
[quote]blw3 wrote:
ajweins wrote:
At 5’7", 193 lbs and 22% body fat you better consider yourself a beginner on training forum. Saying you have trained for 30 years just makes it sound worse.
Or I can just say “decreasing” for body fat percentage, which is what you did. Truth is the body fat % was computed using an electronic gizmo, which is obviously wrong based on progress. I have ordered skin fold calipers to get a better reading. Wouldn’t want to sound bad or anything.
By the way, that Burger King dude in your avatar is extremely gay. There’s one commercial where he even wakes up in bed with a guy. How did you come to choose that one?[/quote]
You’re kind of a douchebag huh?
[quote]blw3 wrote:
msd0060 wrote:
So you were a beginner that did the V-Diet then PN…? Physiques are not purchased hoss…
Your profile says you’ve been training for 1.5 years. And you’re calling me a beginner when I first started lifting over 30 years ago? Do you think only beginners do the V-Diet? Maybe you should try it. Weight training isn’t purchased, but weight equipment is. Good nutrtition can be bought, but so can bad nutrtition. Likewise, both good and bad information can be purchased. Your comment is absurd. [/quote]
When I say “beginner” it’s not an insult.
Just observing that you’ve done a $500 (or is it more now?) diet followed by purchasing $100 worth of information… This site is chock full of free shit that will get you there as well.
I don’t update my profile… time training is probably 3 years now. I’m still a beginner and will be one till I have lots of definition in all major muscle groups.
To be honest i consider the V-Diet an utter waste of time.
People do it as they see it as a magical cure for their ailment… in this case being overweight.
HOWEVER it does not fix the big elephant in the room, their nutrition that got them that way ! So for 30 days ? they just drink liquid then when they finish hhmmmmm i havent had a Mc Donals for 30 days hoo rah lets have one.
If anything you should have done this the other way around. Bought PN 1st did that for 2-3 months leaned down to 10-12% while learning proper nutrition THEN if needed (and i disagree) use the V-Diet to get you down to the 6-8% mark.
But its your money, spend as you wish… just make sure your not gorging on twinkies and soft drinks while on PN so as to ya know replenish glycogen ^^
I wish you all the best, in all your endeavours any work is better than no work, stick with PN that will get you where you want to go.
PN worked wonders for me. It got me under 10% bf for the first time in my life.
[quote]300andabove wrote:
To be honest i consider the V-Diet an utter waste of time. People do it as they see it as a magical cure for their ailment… in this case being overweight.[/quote]
If 10 pounds in a month is magic, bring it on. Not magic though, more like a dynamite charge and a jump start.
One of the main goals of the V-Diet is to eliminate those cravings. Being in the 5th week, I can say that it seems to work in changing or eliminating the cravings.
There is no doubt that on paper your approach makes more sense. Again, V-Diet concedes this point in its description. The point is to get a jump start or dynamite charge to get going in the right direction. I can say this worked for me, but I actually quoted your opinion to my workout partner today, as your approach makes more sense for him than the V-Diet. I needed a drastic change. He probably does not. The drastic change has put me on the right track after many years.
I would gladly spend the money again. It was worth it. Now it’s time to move on to the more sensible approach. Btw, sugar has never been the big culprit. More like other carbs & fat, as well as just many calories.
Thank you. Moving forward.
300andabove
I don’t think the V-Diet is an absolute waste of time. But, if you go and check out the V-Diet forum, you will see that the people there are different to those on the rest of T-Nation. They’re mostly beginners and laymen looking for an easy way out, which won’t require too much thinking. It’s kind of a blog/mutual support thing, and a lot of the people in there are more similar to the Men’s Health crowd than the T-Nation crowd.
So, what I’m saying is, for people who are already serious with their training, the V-Diet shouldn’t even be something to consider. But it’s better than nothing, and if it gets someone into proper training and nutrition, well, that’s excellent.
G
The V-Diet is just 1 tool within your tool box. It has 1 application, to lose as much fat within a limited time while exchanging bad habits for good ones. Also implementing the changes in cravings and taste which has been mentioned time and time again. It is not the only way to drop weight, but its a fast method that works for those who can push through the gruel of it.
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
this thread has turned gay, good job[/quote]
and yet also hilarious
hey OP - you’re a beginner, aren’t you?
[quote]chillain wrote:
hey OP - you’re a beginner, aren’t you?[/quote]
Hey, good luck with your goal of “the standard 405/315/225.”