[quote]bushidobadboy2 wrote:
‘Para’ means 'either side of. ‘Peri’ means during.
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Peri means “around” or “surrounding”. Examples: perimeter, peripheral. Definition: define: peri - Google Search
Para does not mean sh*t, AFAIK. It was formulated here on the forums. CT never used it, AFAIR. Give me an example if you think I’m wrong.
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What, you mean like paramilitary or paraspinal or perhaps parasympathetic.
If you mean “an example where CT has used the word para-workout” then I have news for you my friend: I don’t need something to have been written by an author on this site to validate it or not. You see I am capable of thinking for myself and can recognise and utilise a nice piece of terminology when I see one.
I use ‘para’ to help my athletes see the macro, and ‘peri’ to see the micro - in terms of time duration around or during the workout, as different entities.
[quote]bushidobadboy2 wrote:
You guys crack me up with your old school approach. Most of you seem to be willfully ignoring the established best practice WRT para-workout nutrition.
I don’t know why you insist on short-changing yourselves, your health and your results, by doing this, but ultimately you are making your already difficult journey harder and less productive.
Para-workout nutrition is not a hard concept to grasp, abd has been proven to be far more effective than the ‘whatever’ approach.
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Triple B, nice to see you back. What are you using para-workout?[/quote]
I can’t give too much away, but even when doing a ‘fat burning’ workout, I will always have my trainees intake a good amount of protein. If they are big boys (250lbs+ @10%) then there is almost no session that doesn’t have some carbs in front of it.
For muscle building or muscle-maintaining sessions, then 100g C + 50g P(blended into a liquid for ease of digestion) 60 mins before, 50g C + 50g P 20 mins before and 50g C + 25g P during training is the norm.
10g leucine + 40g Hydro whey 20 mins PWO.
50g P (solid source) within 20 mins of the above.
I could go on and on about this, but that wouldn’t be fair to my clients
[quote]bushidobadboy2 wrote:
What, you mean like paramilitary or paraspinal or perhaps parasympathetic. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/para-[/quote]
Yup, that would work. I was wrong on that one. Sorry for the disturbance.
No, I just mentioned him to clarify that the expression did not originate from him.
I’m not sure what you’re saying here, but anyway. I still think you’re using the peri thing wrong, but do as you please.
I wouldn’t have even mentioned any of this if it weren’t for you (mis)correcting that other guy.
[quote]bushidobadboy2 wrote:
What, you mean like paramilitary or paraspinal or perhaps parasympathetic. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/para-[/quote]
Yup, that would work. I was wrong on that one. Sorry for the disturbance.
No, I just mentioned him to clarify that the expression did not originate from him.
I’m not sure what you’re saying here, but anyway. I still think you’re using the peri thing wrong, but do as you please.
I wouldn’t have even mentioned any of this if it weren’t for you (mis)correcting that other guy.[/quote]
It’s very cool man; I don’t get upset by being corrected or even mis-corrected, since I’m here to learn and I believe that everyone has something to teach me.
I would be interested to hear you explain how you think I got it wrong, but how about I clarify my stance first:
I use the following descriptions to differentiate things for my athletes to understand:
Para workout encompasses everything you consume from about 90 minutes before training, to about 90 minutes after training. It is THE most critical point of the day, in nutrition terms.
Peri-workout simply means what you consume during training and is part of your para-workout nutrition.
Of course I could be ‘wrong’ in the grand scheme of things, but since the above gets the job done, I don’t think it really matters.
But would be interested to hear your take, from one mature adult to another
Hm… I was about to post my “para” and “peri” nutrition, but then I read through all the hubbub above.
I’ve always understood it to mean exactly what bushidobadboy stated. I worked in a supplement store for a few years, and this was the convention we used. I never really put much thought into it.
Regardless, to answer to OP, I think both para and peri nutrition are extremely important. You are definitely slowing your progress until you can dial this in.
For me:
Pre: regular food. I’ll workout approximately 2 - 3 hours after a meal. If I’m starting to get hungry I’ll have an apple and unflavored whey beforehand.
During: (note I refrain from using the word “peri” so as not to piss anybody off) I use SizeOn, and I’ve had great results. I have no late workout crash and can workout at higher intensity levels throughout. When I’m done with this I’ll try Biotest’s Surge Workout Fuel.
Post: IMMEDIATELY following the workout I have a whey shake with some carbs. Then about 30 to 60 minutes later I eat my next solid food meal. Like chicken and salad with fruit. If I feel I need it I’ll eat a few more carbs too.
pre workout,bowl of oatmeal,2scoops dymatize protein powder 45grams,1 serving of dymatize 2200 bcaa,10grams glutamine,5grams l-arginine,and some jacked or ephederine! right after workout,1 monstermilk 45grams of protein,1 bannanna,1 serving of bcaa,10grams of glutamine,vitamim c 1gram,vitamin e 400ius,about an hour post wo,1 cup of cheerios or fiber bran cereal with skim milk…
When bulking:
pre/during - maltodextrin, whey protein, bcaa’s
post - waxy maize, whey protein, bcaa’s
20 min after post - whole food - complex carbs and protein
Im sure a lot will have there own comment,but all this pre this,pre that,If you are a very low body fat,lots of musle, it could matter greatly,its so over stated,I don’t fall in the hype,I’m a pro athlete,I don’t shrink,get fat,weak,sore,etc…from not following this,lots of muscle,I can see,but for the ave. guy.keep it simple, I will normally do BCAA’S and just eat,keep in mind the more claims of you need this,n that means more
$$$ and sales…
I used to use some commercial arginine/creatine stuff before workouts. Then I realised the high energy I had during the workout was due to the 300mg of caffeine in it and the insulin spike from arginine.
So now it’s just:
PRE: 300mg of caffeine (nodoz) and some sugar.
DURING: Water. Probably should add protein here.
POST: 500ml milk and two scoops of protein powder then a meal after I walk home.
[quote]Just_Matt wrote:
I used to use some commercial arginine/creatine stuff before workouts. Then I realised the high energy I had during the workout was due to the 300mg of caffeine in it and the insulin spike from arginine.
So now it’s just:
PRE: 300mg of caffeine (nodoz) and some sugar.
DURING: Water. Probably should add protein here.
POST: 500ml milk and two scoops of protein powder then a meal after I walk home.[/quote]
nice n simple,easy,affective,I just switch the caffeine for ephedra,I got some much mine as well
use it…lol
I was wrong on that one. Sorry for the disturbance. 