You guys crack me up with your old school approach. Most of you seem to be willfully ignoring the established best practice WRT para-workout nutrition.
I don’t know why you insist on short-changing yourselves, your health and your results, by doing this, but ultimately you are making your already difficult journey harder and less productive.
Para-workout nutrition is not a hard concept to grasp, abd has been proven to be far more effective than the ‘whatever’ approach.
BBB
[quote]bushidobadboy2 wrote:
You guys crack me up with your old school approach. Most of you seem to be willfully ignoring the established best practice WRT para-workout nutrition.
I don’t know why you insist on short-changing yourselves, your health and your results, by doing this, but ultimately you are making your already difficult journey harder and less productive.
Para-workout nutrition is not a hard concept to grasp, abd has been proven to be far more effective than the ‘whatever’ approach.
BBB[/quote]
Triple B, nice to see you back. What are you using para-workout?
I dont do much for pre-workout and post workout is 12oz of muscle milk.
I work out first thing in the morning (5:30 or so). So my pre-workout drink is usually a single scoop of whey with water as soon as I get up @ 5 followed by some carb drink (8 oz of OJ, for example) about 15 minutes before I leave the house. Post Workout is a double scoop shake as soon as I get home (gym is 2 minutes away) and then a bowl of old fashioned oat meal an hour later (then off to work).
pre-workout is 300mg caffeine +20grms dextrose+ 10grms protein.
post workout is 40grms dextrose + 10grms protein followed by a regular meal 1 hr later.
These^^^ are for my strength training workouts.
For fat loss sessions I cut Pedialyte in half with water and sip throughout workout. Very high intensity workouts. I burn over 800 cals an hour during these and at my peak will hit close to 1000 cals according to my polar watch at a bodyweight of 2225-235.
[quote]giterdone wrote:
[quote]bushidobadboy2 wrote:
You guys crack me up with your old school approach. Most of you seem to be willfully ignoring the established best practice WRT para-workout nutrition.
I don’t know why you insist on short-changing yourselves, your health and your results, by doing this, but ultimately you are making your already difficult journey harder and less productive.
Para-workout nutrition is not a hard concept to grasp, abd has been proven to be far more effective than the ‘whatever’ approach.
BBB[/quote]
Triple B, nice to see you back. What are you using para-workout?[/quote]
I can’t give too much away, but even when doing a ‘fat burning’ workout, I will always have my trainees intake a good amount of protein. If they are big boys (250lbs+ @10%) then there is almost no session that doesn’t have some carbs in front of it.
For muscle building or muscle-maintaining sessions, then 100g C + 50g P(blended into a liquid for ease of digestion) 60 mins before, 50g C + 50g P 20 mins before and 50g C + 25g P during training is the norm.
10g leucine + 40g Hydro whey 20 mins PWO.
50g P (solid source) within 20 mins of the above.
I could go on and on about this, but that wouldn’t be fair to my clients 
BBB
[quote]bushidobadboy2 wrote:
You guys crack me up with your old school approach. Most of you seem to be willfully ignoring the established best practice WRT para-workout nutrition.
I don’t know why you insist on short-changing yourselves, your health and your results, by doing this, but ultimately you are making your already difficult journey harder and less productive.
Para-workout nutrition is not a hard concept to grasp, abd has been proven to be far more effective than the ‘whatever’ approach.
BBB[/quote]
i think its “peri-workout” not “para-workout”
i lift on my lunch break. i just have a regular whey shake for my mid-morning feed 1-2 hours before I go in. i used lift first thing in the morning, and lifted on an empty tummy, and really felt no difference, prolly cuz i’m a lardass.
i have been using Surge Recovery directly after I lift for the past couple weeks, and it makes a huge impact on recovery. Kind of pricy at $2/serving, so I only use it after heavy lifting sessions. I really think that the post workout is more important than pre, but that could just be for me.
[quote]bushidobadboy2 wrote:
[quote]giterdone wrote:
[quote]bushidobadboy2 wrote:
You guys crack me up with your old school approach. Most of you seem to be willfully ignoring the established best practice WRT para-workout nutrition.
I don’t know why you insist on short-changing yourselves, your health and your results, by doing this, but ultimately you are making your already difficult journey harder and less productive.
Para-workout nutrition is not a hard concept to grasp, abd has been proven to be far more effective than the ‘whatever’ approach.
BBB[/quote]
Triple B, nice to see you back. What are you using para-workout?[/quote]
I can’t give too much away, but even when doing a ‘fat burning’ workout, I will always have my trainees intake a good amount of protein. If they are big boys (250lbs+ @10%) then there is almost no session that doesn’t have some carbs in front of it.
For muscle building or muscle-maintaining sessions, then 100g C + 50g P(blended into a liquid for ease of digestion) 60 mins before, 50g C + 50g P 20 mins before and 50g C + 25g P during training is the norm.
10g leucine + 40g Hydro whey 20 mins PWO.
50g P (solid source) within 20 mins of the above.
I could go on and on about this, but that wouldn’t be fair to my clients
BBB[/quote]
Thanks.
I’m also doing something close to 100g C + 50g P 60-90 mins before training in addition to the P + C immediately before and during training. Forgot to mention that.
I find the more loading before and during training the better for me. I always run out of training time before I’m out of energy so i can always go hard. Also, my appetite (or lack of) makes it tough to get enough calories during the day sometimes. Liquid calories help.
[quote]mjnewland wrote:
[quote]bushidobadboy2 wrote:
You guys crack me up with your old school approach. Most of you seem to be willfully ignoring the established best practice WRT para-workout nutrition.
I don’t know why you insist on short-changing yourselves, your health and your results, by doing this, but ultimately you are making your already difficult journey harder and less productive.
Para-workout nutrition is not a hard concept to grasp, abd has been proven to be far more effective than the ‘whatever’ approach.
BBB[/quote]
i think its “peri-workout” not “para-workout”[/quote]
‘Para’ means 'either side of. ‘Peri’ means during.
So “pre/post workout nutrition” would be para and what you consume during training would be peri.
But I can see how you might get confused
BBB
[quote]bushidobadboy2 wrote:
[quote]mjnewland wrote:
[quote]bushidobadboy2 wrote:
You guys crack me up with your old school approach. Most of you seem to be willfully ignoring the established best practice WRT para-workout nutrition.
I don’t know why you insist on short-changing yourselves, your health and your results, by doing this, but ultimately you are making your already difficult journey harder and less productive.
Para-workout nutrition is not a hard concept to grasp, abd has been proven to be far more effective than the ‘whatever’ approach.
BBB[/quote]
i think its “peri-workout” not “para-workout”[/quote]
‘Para’ means 'either side of. ‘Peri’ means during.
So “pre/post workout nutrition” would be para and what you consume during training would be peri.
But I can see how you might get confused
BBB[/quote]
yeah, i confuse easy. not too bright
Accidentally ran out of powdered Gatorade so ended up training with just whey + creatine and water in the shaker. No surprise, started strong but ran out of steam after about 45 min of back training.
I may experiment with waxy maize as a carb source. And I’m going to get powdered BCAAs again…there is just too much positive press on them to ignore.
[quote]PeteS wrote:
Pre workout: food.
Post workout: food + whiskey. [/quote]
Perfect. Wasn’t Arnold post workout chicken and beer, and lots of it? The older we get, the less we like complicated shit. I like getting older, usually.
[quote]hel320 wrote:
Can’t stand to lift with a full stomach. Pre-workout meal usually consists of whatever I had for lunch, usually a sandwich and coffee. Ok, and gummi bears, the ultimate muscle builder. Post workout is usually whatever supper is. [/quote]
I’m the same way. I need at least 2 hrs after I eat before I train, and this also applies to any kind of shake, before anyone throws that into the mix.
[quote]bushidobadboy2 wrote:
‘Para’ means 'either side of. ‘Peri’ means during.
BBB[/quote]
Peri means “around” or “surrounding”. Examples: perimeter, peripheral. Definition: define: peri - Google Search
Para does not mean sh*t, AFAIK. It was formulated here on the forums. CT never used it, AFAIR. Give me an example if you think I’m wrong.
[quote]mkovacic wrote:
[quote]bushidobadboy2 wrote:
‘Para’ means 'either side of. ‘Peri’ means during.
BBB[/quote]
Peri means “around” or “surrounding”. Examples: perimeter, peripheral. Definition: define: peri - Google Search
Para does not mean sh*t, AFAIK. It was formulated here on the forums. CT never used it, AFAIR. Give me an example if you think I’m wrong.
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Here comes the pissing matches. Go elsewhere if you’re just going to piss in someones cheerios. Most of us don’t much care, especially for pissing matches.
[quote]ruglayer09052000 wrote:
Here comes the pissing matches. Go elsewhere if you’re just going to piss in someones cheerios. Most of us don’t much care, especially for pissing matches.[/quote]
Whatever. I provided some factual input, if you don’t like it you can just keep using your made-up words. I don’t see the need for hating.
heres an idea…who care’s what It means…lol
PARArescue. Sorry, couldn’t help myself.
I eat meat all day, and some protein shakes.
About an hour before my workout, I drink a BAFS (Big Assed Fcking Shake). During workout my drink is two scoops of Purple Wraath (EAA’s/BCAA’s). When I get home, I drink B’rAFS (Bigger Assed Fcking Shake).