Pre-Employment Drug Test

[quote]SRT08 wrote:

[quote]on edge wrote:

[quote]MangoMan305 wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:
I mean, obvious answer and everything, but he could just not smoke weed.

Seems to me like that would solve all his problems related to this issue.[/quote]

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According to the Vulcan Science Council, time travel is impossible.[/quote]

Clearly invalidated by Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home as well as Star Trek First Contact.[/quote]

That quote from T’pol is invalidated by just about every Star Trek episode and movie ever made. She said it at the end of the first season. Now I’m going to have to go back to the beginning of Enterprise because I thought the macro-plot Temporal Cold War was established in the first episode or two.

Btw, my 10 year old son is really good at spotting cameramen in mirrors and their shadows around the edge of the screen and shit like that. Is anyone else good at that?

[quote]csulli wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]csulli wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:
If someone continues to choose to smoke then in my eyes they refuse to grow up or they have addiction issues.

[quote]csulli wrote:
Oh come on. You can’t be addicted to pot lol.

[quote]Derek542 wrote:
Not sure if serious.[/quote][/quote][/quote]

Dead serious. Not chemically addictive = not addictive in my book. Otherwise any asshat who is lacking willpower can just be “addicted” to whatever the fuck he likes doing.

Meth is addictive. Heroin is addictive.
Weed and twinkies are not addictive lol.[/quote]

So you are stating that THC has no addictive qualities.

How are you making this statement a fact?

And alcohol does it have addictive properties? [/quote]

Fuckin doctors and scientists and studies! Lol, they all say that “marijuana has no physically addictive properties”. You could smoke yourself silly everyday for a whole year and then stop cold turkey and be just fine.

People like to play these semantics games where they define addictive in such a way that you can get “addicted” to weed. If you subscribe to that then fine, but it seems stupid to me.[/quote]

I partially agree with you, yes there are no physical addictive issues with weed, not like the other you listed. Actually the only two “drugs” that you can die off of when you stop taking are Alcohol and Benzodiazepines (valium). However to totally discount the mental addiction to weed or other things like gambling etc is also a little short sighted.

Most people like the euphoric feeling of weed, alcohol etc. and someone who smokes daily for a year will have a very hard time giving it up without great mental struggle.

[quote]SRT08 wrote:
Studies done in England have show saturated fat and sugars together can light up the brain’s addiction centers more than crack.[/quote]

Not the same thing. It really isn’t.

On a side note, and not to endorse the use of either: Standard 10 and 12 panel drug tests don’t detect K2 and other synthetic pot substances. If you’re “friend” is so concerned then he should look at changing his joint of choice.

[quote]Derek542 wrote:
I partially agree with you, yes there are no physical addictive issues with weed, not like the other you listed. Actually the only two “drugs” that you can die off of when you stop taking are Alcohol and Benzodiazepines (valium). However to totally discount the mental addiction to weed or other things like gambling etc is also a little short sighted.

Most people like the euphoric feeling of weed, alcohol etc. and someone who smokes daily for a year will have a very hard time giving it up without great mental struggle. [/quote]

I would rather people call that habituation instead of addiction. Maybe I’m just a weirdo. It seems so stupid to say I’m “addicted” to video games and powerlifting.

[quote]csulli wrote:

[quote]SRT08 wrote:
Studies done in England have show saturated fat and sugars together can light up the brain’s addiction centers more than crack.[/quote]

Not the same thing. It really isn’t.[/quote]

Girls on the street corner: “will **** for bacon”

[quote]on edge wrote:

[quote]SRT08 wrote:

[quote]on edge wrote:

[quote]MangoMan305 wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:
I mean, obvious answer and everything, but he could just not smoke weed.

Seems to me like that would solve all his problems related to this issue.[/quote]

[/quote]

According to the Vulcan Science Council, time travel is impossible.[/quote]

Clearly invalidated by Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home as well as Star Trek First Contact.[/quote]

That quote from T’pol is invalidated by just about every Star Trek episode and movie ever made. She said it at the end of the first season. Now I’m going to have to go back to the beginning of Enterprise because I thought the macro-plot Temporal Cold War was established in the first episode or two.

Btw, my 10 year old son is really good at spotting cameramen in mirrors and their shadows around the edge of the screen and shit like that. Is anyone else good at that?[/quote]

Forgot about that as I never really got into Enterprise… has your son ever spotted the shoe tumbling through space in Star Wars?

[quote]csulli wrote:

[quote]SRT08 wrote:
Studies done in England have show saturated fat and sugars together can light up the brain’s addiction centers more than crack.[/quote]

Not the same thing. It really isn’t.[/quote]

Things making the brain believe it is reliant on them isn’t the definition of addiction???

[quote]SRT08 wrote:

[quote]csulli wrote:

[quote]SRT08 wrote:
Studies done in England have show saturated fat and sugars together can light up the brain’s addiction centers more than crack.[/quote]

Not the same thing. It really isn’t.[/quote]

Things making the brain believe it is reliant on them isn’t the definition of addiction???[/quote]

Finding a similarity in neural response between sugar and cocaine doesn’t mean a hell of a lot to me. They very obviously work differently in many respects. The media loves to hype people like you up about this shit and sensationalize it for ratings.

[quote]SRT08 wrote:
On a side note, and not to endorse the use of either: Standard 10 and 12 panel drug tests don’t detect K2 and other synthetic pot substances. If you’re “friend” is so concerned then he should look at changing his joint of choice.[/quote]

actually we have a local drug screening company here in Houston that can test for K2 and bath salts.

[quote]LoRez wrote:

[quote]SRT08 wrote:

[quote]Spartiates wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:
I mean, obvious answer and everything, but he could just not smoke weed.

Seems to me like that would solve all his problems related to this issue.[/quote]

I’m not sure what the point of this comment is.

I’ve also noticed that if you google/search for questions related to drug tests online, without fail there are always lots of people responding this way, and insisting that everyone who’s ever done any kind of drug will fail a drug test.

What’s the underlying motivation for comments like this?

Just for a frame of reference, we are not talking about teenagers, or college students. We are talking about adult professionals who take a puff every so often, and we are talking about six figure jobs. This is a guy who has been fine/quite successful his entire adult life being a responsible, occasional user.[/quote]

I think the point is: He’s trying to find a loophole because he’s about to be caught for something he’s very much guilty of. Why not just man up and admit it? Beyond the respectable side of it, many employers offer some form of treatment for first time offenders.[/quote]

Or… find a job that cares about results, not so much about how you get there.

And even if drug testing is a matter of policy, it doesn’t necessarily mean they won’t hire him because he failed.[/quote]

This is true. While some companies will stick to a policy no matter what, some will certainly let something like weed slide if the person is a rock star.

But those place probably aren’t going to piss test teh rock star in the first place.

[quote]csulli wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:
I partially agree with you, yes there are no physical addictive issues with weed, not like the other you listed. Actually the only two “drugs” that you can die off of when you stop taking are Alcohol and Benzodiazepines (valium). However to totally discount the mental addiction to weed or other things like gambling etc is also a little short sighted.

Most people like the euphoric feeling of weed, alcohol etc. and someone who smokes daily for a year will have a very hard time giving it up without great mental struggle. [/quote]

I would rather people call that habituation instead of addiction. Maybe I’m just a weirdo. It seems so stupid to say I’m “addicted” to video games and powerlifting.[/quote]

I see your point and agree there is a free will and will power.

But have you been to Wal Mart or a chinese buffet lately?

Not many people have will power, plus after 20 years of medicine and 39 years of life I have met very, very, very few people that can smoke habitually and be productive. Of course there are people I am sure, but man that has to be a very low %

[quote]Derek542 wrote:
Not many people have will power, plus after 20 years of medicine and 39 years of life I have met very, very, very few people that can smoke habitually and be productive. Of course there are people I am sure, but man that has to be a very low %[/quote]

Yeah I can see that being true for someone who smokes like everyday or close to it. Same with alcohol I imagine.

[quote]csulli wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:
Not many people have will power, plus after 20 years of medicine and 39 years of life I have met very, very, very few people that can smoke habitually and be productive. Of course there are people I am sure, but man that has to be a very low %[/quote]

Yeah I can see that being true for someone who smokes like everyday or close to it. Same with alcohol I imagine.[/quote]

That shit catches up to everyone someday, our body is an amazing machine, but you beat that fucker to long and it breaks down. Plus killing brain cells daily with alcohol and weed is really not a great outcome in the long run

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]csulli wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:
Not many people have will power, plus after 20 years of medicine and 39 years of life I have met very, very, very few people that can smoke habitually and be productive. Of course there are people I am sure, but man that has to be a very low %[/quote]

Yeah I can see that being true for someone who smokes like everyday or close to it. Same with alcohol I imagine.[/quote]

That shit catches up to everyone someday, our body is an amazing machine, but you beat that fucker to long and it breaks down. Plus killing brain cells daily with alcohol and weed is really not a great outcome in the long run[/quote]

My college career proves this theory wrong. :wink:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]csulli wrote:
Yeah I can see that being true for someone who smokes like everyday or close to it. Same with alcohol I imagine.[/quote]

That shit catches up to everyone someday, our body is an amazing machine, but you beat that fucker to long and it breaks down. Plus killing brain cells daily with alcohol and weed is really not a great outcome in the long run[/quote]

Shit I wish you hadn’t said that… lol. I don’t think weed kills brain cells either.

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]csulli wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:
Not many people have will power, plus after 20 years of medicine and 39 years of life I have met very, very, very few people that can smoke habitually and be productive. Of course there are people I am sure, but man that has to be a very low %[/quote]

Yeah I can see that being true for someone who smokes like everyday or close to it. Same with alcohol I imagine.[/quote]

That shit catches up to everyone someday, our body is an amazing machine, but you beat that fucker to long and it breaks down. Plus killing brain cells daily with alcohol and weed is really not a great outcome in the long run[/quote]

My college career proves this theory wrong. ;)[/quote]

Lol that was the best 9 years of your life wasnt it Beans

[quote]SRT08 wrote:

[quote]on edge wrote:

[quote]SRT08 wrote:

[quote]on edge wrote:

[quote]MangoMan305 wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:
I mean, obvious answer and everything, but he could just not smoke weed.

Seems to me like that would solve all his problems related to this issue.[/quote]

[/quote]

According to the Vulcan Science Council, time travel is impossible.[/quote]

Clearly invalidated by Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home as well as Star Trek First Contact.[/quote]

That quote from T’pol is invalidated by just about every Star Trek episode and movie ever made. She said it at the end of the first season. Now I’m going to have to go back to the beginning of Enterprise because I thought the macro-plot Temporal Cold War was established in the first episode or two.

Btw, my 10 year old son is really good at spotting cameramen in mirrors and their shadows around the edge of the screen and shit like that. Is anyone else good at that?[/quote]

Forgot about that as I never really got into Enterprise… has your son ever spotted the shoe tumbling through space in Star Wars?[/quote]

Not to my knowledge but I’ll ask him he is a Star Wars freak. I take it this shoe is an editing blunder and not a storm troopers blown off foot floating through space? What episode was it in?

Just to update everyone:

Managment called the third party company running the drug screen and background check and told 'em to give 'em another pee test instead.

Why yes, they really do want him, and have flown him coast to coast for interviews at this point.

Smoking pot isn’t illegal fellas. Having metabolites in your system is neither illegal (for someone not on probation or the like), neither does it implicate you in illegal activity.

Possession, trafficking, and distribution of controlled substances is illegal.

In my state, in additional to a robust and growing medical marijuana program,even possession small amounts for personal consumption has been decriminalized.

The point here being that testing for THC is an arbitrary and intrusive decision made by companies simply because the five and ten panel tests are “standard”. Sort of in the same way that public opinion polls consistently show the vast majority of the population favor decriminalization, if not outright legalization.

If you operate heavy machinery, or have some other job where either being inebriated on the job can have fatal consequences, or the habitual use of substances outside the job would carry over and put people in danger, I understand.

I don’t have a problem with private employers setting arbitrary standards. Whatever; it’s a private company, as long as it’s not discriminatory, it’s their choice. I do have a problem with out of touch and arbitrary standards becoming cross-industry norms because they originated within a government bureaucracy. Just like I have a problem with medicare/medicaid rates and standards dominating the healthcare industry in terms of pricing and coverage.

[quote]Spartiates wrote:
Just to update everyone:

Managment called the third party company running the drug screen and background check and told 'em to give 'em another pee test instead.

Why yes, they really do want him, and have flown him coast to coast for interviews at this point.

Smoking pot isn’t illegal fellas. Having metabolites in your system is neither illegal (for someone not on probation or the like), neither does it implicate you in illegal activity.

Possession, trafficking, and distribution of controlled substances is illegal.

In my state, in additional to a robust and growing medical marijuana program,even possession small amounts for personal consumption has been decriminalized.

The point here being that testing for THC is an arbitrary and intrusive decision made by companies simply because the five and ten panel tests are “standard”. Sort of in the same way that public opinion polls consistently show the vast majority of the population favor decriminalization, if not outright legalization.

If you operate heavy machinery, or have some other job where either being inebriated on the job can have fatal consequences, or the habitual use of substances outside the job would carry over and put people in danger, I understand.

I don’t have a problem with private employers setting arbitrary standards. Whatever; it’s a private company, as long as it’s not discriminatory, it’s their choice. I do have a problem with out of touch and arbitrary standards becoming cross-industry norms because they originated within a government bureaucracy. Just like I have a problem with medicare/medicaid rates and standards dominating the healthcare industry in terms of pricing and coverage.[/quote]

Good post, thanks for the update. If you have been following then you will see the back and forth that has occurred.

Most of my clients are large corporations that deal in the realm of you do not want them taking this and while the mimic the DOT it is due to the fact some standard has to be set. When these go to court for discrimination etc, our legal system does look for where precedence is set, which of course is one of the Govt oversight agencies.

Sorry in most of the states I deal with it is illegal to purchase, yes not illegal to have in your system, however there is a criminal element that is inherent with use. Sorry LOL at growing medical marijuana program, to me its the same as the prescription issues I currently deal with. You got stomach cancer I would purposely light bong, you have anxiety cause mommy didnt hug you enough, all I can say is man the fuck up.

Good discussion going here at least bravo for once TNation.