[quote]Spartiates wrote:
Smoking pot isn’t illegal fellas. Having metabolites in your system is neither illegal (for someone not on probation or the like), neither does it implicate you in illegal activity.
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Great. Wonderful.
Doesn’t change the perception of a failed test, or the person who failed in the yes of many employers.
Some won’t give a shit, some will. SOme will over look it for the right hire, some won’t.
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]csulli wrote:
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
If someone continues to choose to smoke then in my eyes they refuse to grow up or they have addiction issues.
[quote]csulli wrote:
Oh come on. You can’t be addicted to pot lol.
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
Not sure if serious.[/quote][/quote][/quote]
Dead serious. Not chemically addictive = not addictive in my book. Otherwise any asshat who is lacking willpower can just be “addicted” to whatever the fuck he likes doing.
Meth is addictive. Heroin is addictive.
Weed and twinkies are not addictive lol.[/quote]
So you are stating that THC has no addictive qualities.
How are you making this statement a fact?
And alcohol does it have addictive properties? [/quote]
He is saying pot is not chemically addictive.
Considering that if you are dependent enough and quit cold turkey you can die, I would have to say yes that alcohol is.
Anything can be classified an addiction, the difference is it a matter of will power or does it cause physiological changes in your psyche. Meth chemically addictive, porn not so much.
[quote]Testy1 wrote:
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]csulli wrote:
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
If someone continues to choose to smoke then in my eyes they refuse to grow up or they have addiction issues.
[quote]csulli wrote:
Oh come on. You can’t be addicted to pot lol.
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
Not sure if serious.[/quote][/quote][/quote]
Dead serious. Not chemically addictive = not addictive in my book. Otherwise any asshat who is lacking willpower can just be “addicted” to whatever the fuck he likes doing.
Meth is addictive. Heroin is addictive.
Weed and twinkies are not addictive lol.[/quote]
So you are stating that THC has no addictive qualities.
How are you making this statement a fact?
And alcohol does it have addictive properties? [/quote]
He is saying pot is not chemically addictive.
Considering that if you are dependent enough and quit cold turkey you can die, I would have to say yes that alcohol is.
Anything can be classified an addiction, the difference is it a matter of will power or does it cause physiological changes in your psyche. Meth chemically addictive, porn not so much.
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If I quit porn, I would probably die. I mean, what?
[quote]Spartiates wrote:
Just to update everyone:
Managment called the third party company running the drug screen and background check and told 'em to give 'em another pee test instead.
Why yes, they really do want him, and have flown him coast to coast for interviews at this point.
Smoking pot isn’t illegal fellas. Having metabolites in your system is neither illegal (for someone not on probation or the like), neither does it implicate you in illegal activity.
Possession, trafficking, and distribution of controlled substances is illegal.
In my state, in additional to a robust and growing medical marijuana program,even possession small amounts for personal consumption has been decriminalized.
The point here being that testing for THC is an arbitrary and intrusive decision made by companies simply because the five and ten panel tests are “standard”. Sort of in the same way that public opinion polls consistently show the vast majority of the population favor decriminalization, if not outright legalization.
If you operate heavy machinery, or have some other job where either being inebriated on the job can have fatal consequences, or the habitual use of substances outside the job would carry over and put people in danger, I understand.
I don’t have a problem with private employers setting arbitrary standards. Whatever; it’s a private company, as long as it’s not discriminatory, it’s their choice. I do have a problem with out of touch and arbitrary standards becoming cross-industry norms because they originated within a government bureaucracy. Just like I have a problem with medicare/medicaid rates and standards dominating the healthcare industry in terms of pricing and coverage.[/quote]
Exactly. It’s ridiculous all around.
Do they test their candidates for alcohol use too? If being drunk at work could cause an accident, then does it logically follow that he should never have an alcoholic beverage outside of work hours?
If he’s stupid enough to come to work stoned, he should lose his job, just like he would if he showed up for work drunk. Otherwise, they need to mind their own business.
Medicare/Medicaid rates are a whole other story. I actually heard about one doctor in private practice who tried to work a deal with his (non-Medicare or Medicaid) patients where they would pay him a flat monthly fee of a few hundred dollars and in return would get however much medical care from him as they wanted. Patient participation was strictly voluntary. The feds came down on him and told him flat out NO - he doesn’t have a right to set his own prices, THEY will determine what his prices can be. Excuse me? WTF
off topic political rant about the true direction a certain political party wants to take this country
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]Airtruth wrote:
Story sounds weird only because if they wanted him they would’ve accepted the urine test. Only high security or credit companies I can see requiring a hair test, in which case I don’t see why he would be smoking while looking for work.[/quote]
I do hair test on iron workers, labors, pipe fitter helpers going to work at BP in Texas City or any DOW plant. [/quote]
I stated that poorly. What I meant was that they would not bother asking for an additional test, they would’ve been happy he passed the first test. I haven’t seen a company that wants to hire an executive say the drug test was not sufficient. I have even witnessed several executives get hired that should’ve failed any drug test. This is only with executives though as more of them it’s “get them in” versus regular employees “do a background check”.
[quote]yolo84 wrote:
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]csulli wrote:
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
If someone continues to choose to smoke then in my eyes they refuse to grow up or they have addiction issues.
[quote]csulli wrote:
Oh come on. You can’t be addicted to pot lol.
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
Not sure if serious.[/quote][/quote][/quote]
Dead serious. Not chemically addictive = not addictive in my book. Otherwise any asshat who is lacking willpower can just be “addicted” to whatever the fuck he likes doing.
Meth is addictive. Heroin is addictive.
Weed and twinkies are not addictive lol.[/quote]
So you are stating that THC has no addictive qualities.
How are you making this statement a fact?
And alcohol does it have addictive properties? [/quote]
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what a stupid post. Of course weed can be addictive.
To the OP, as has been mentioned already, your friend is a fucking idiot if he has been taking illegal drugs knowing he may get some form of drug testing while applying for new jobs.
He will just have to deal with the consequences and miss out on the job. Rather than get all irate about it he should be a fucking man and see it is his own fault.[/quote]
No.
In the olden times, couch, cough, we called something like that a bad habit.
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]csulli wrote:
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
Not many people have will power, plus after 20 years of medicine and 39 years of life I have met very, very, very few people that can smoke habitually and be productive. Of course there are people I am sure, but man that has to be a very low %[/quote]
Yeah I can see that being true for someone who smokes like everyday or close to it. Same with alcohol I imagine.[/quote]
That shit catches up to everyone someday, our body is an amazing machine, but you beat that fucker to long and it breaks down. Plus killing brain cells daily with alcohol and weed is really not a great outcome in the long run[/quote]
If you kill brain cells with weed you are doing something wrong.