[quote]Flop Hat wrote:
Abject bordom and a desire to write argumentative things in order to see what people have to say in response.
Why do you read and respond to post?
Headhunter wrote:
Why did you read and respond to the thread?
[/quote] I started this thread to pray for a lost soul. You jumped in, dude.
So, Vroom, your response amounts to “You’re doing that, not me!” ? That is quite some argument you’ve got there. You talk about censorship and control, and I’M the one who’s doing that? If you weren’t in Ontario, I’m sure you could get a job as a journalist in D.C., as a spin-meister. Absolutely unbelievable!
Your beliefs and words are documented all over this thread. Read them.
It should be plain to anyone reading your words to see how liberals are really hidden little fascists, wanting censorship over others and crushing of anything they happen to disagree with.
Absolutely shameful!
And its still a thread devoted to praying for Pookie, not for you to spew your liberal-fascist ideas. Get off of the thread.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
Flop Hat wrote:
I don’t hate the idea of a god, whatever god may be. What I hate is the droves of people who think they know what god is and want to tell me all about it.
Professor X wrote:
People who hate the idea of God are about as stupid as those who claim to believe in God…and then show this by either trying to force their beliefs on others or bringing up the subject to the point of nausia thus eliminating any possible good that could come from the discussion of religion.
Here’s a clue: Don’t read it!! If there’s a thread I don’t like, I DON’T READ IT!
May I suggest you read ONLY THINGS THAT INTEREST YOU?
Oh, but it does interest me. It interests me that you call yourself “Christian” when your actions are nothing but to mock the religion yourself. A prayer for an atheist? If your intentions were true, you could have handled this through pm’s. It isn’t like those who think just like you don’t make it known. You didn’t start this thread in good nature. You started it to make a scene. You have the nerve to look down on others when I haven’t seen one action from you on this board that echoes a true desire to help anyone nor have I seen any indication of that in your character. What makes you a “Christian”? What have you done that shows you are one? Start a thread like this on a bodybuilding forum?
Dear Lord, if the way some of you are acting is the characteristic of a Christian, why would you think anyone would want to be a part of what you’re expressing? Your elite group of superior moralists and God fearing Republicans (since apparently Republican and Christian are now one in the same according to one of you). Perhaps the first person you need to pray for, is yourself.[/quote]
Professor X,
Hello?!? You are not in the X-Men movie and Professor X couldn’t REALLY read minds. How do you know what I am thinking?
Did you see the prayer for Pookie? Did you pray? No. Instead, you propose to know my thoughts, to jump into a thread for Christians, and insult me.
The movie is over, the comic book is passe, wake up now, ‘Professor’.
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
SIt should be plain to anyone reading your words to see how liberals are really hidden little fascists, wanting censorship over others and crushing of anything they happen to disagree with.
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So long, and thanks for all the fish…
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
So, Vroom, your response amounts to “You’re doing that, not me!” ? That is quite some argument you’ve got there. You talk about censorship and control, and I’M the one who’s doing that? If you weren’t in Ontario, I’m sure you could get a job as a journalist in D.C., as a spin-meister. Absolutely unbelievable! [/quote]
Are you ever going to actually engage in a discussion, or is throwing insults all you are going to do. There are many interesting points we could be talking about instead.
I didn’t say what I was or was not doing, I was pointing out that you are doing what you are accusing me of.
Wow, tough concept for you to grasp I take it?
Really? Perhaps you would do me the favor of taking a stab at describing what they are?
People make a lot of assumptions around these parts, but that doesn’t make them right.
No, I just don’t want to listen to religious blather the rest of my life. Fortunately, I’m allowed to say so…
Don’t be such an ass. No thread on this site has ever been under the direct control of the original author. You think you own this thread or something?
Why don’t you create your own web site and then you can control exactly who participates and exactly what they say?
Oh wait, I thought you said it was I that wanted to control everyone?
Did I hear you correctly? GET OFF THE THREAD! Ahahahahaha!
You are confused. Please feel free to continue to be confused, or not to, I don’t care either way. Just in case you thought I was telling you what to do again.
See… in case you missed it, this is where you did exactly what you accused me of, yet again.
However, importantly, again, I’m not saying I’m innocent.
[quote]vroom wrote:
This thread was for Christian GENTLEMEN who wanted to pray for an atheist.
Was it really? I hope you are being honest here, because telling lies is another problem area for Christians.
Are you sure it wasn’t to create a public display of piety so that you could feel good about doing so? If it was, then you have elements of pride, ouch, another problem area for Christians.
Caring, or praying, for Pookie’s soul, is not something that requires a public demonstration. It is very possible that those chastising you on this thread have privately done such acts, without the need to crow about it.
See? Again, I’m not telling you how to behave, but I am suggesting my interpretation of Christianity and the strictures that it may place on your behavior.
You are certainly welcome to explain to me why my understanding is deficient, without resorting to childish personal attacks – which really just hint at wounded pride.[/quote]
Vroom,
You invaded my thread. The thread was for Christians gentlemen. You suggested that the owners censor this thread, saying ‘that’s worth praying for’. This means that (a) you ‘know’ more than the owners, (b) you believe in censorship. How much more clear can it be?
You are a liberal-come-fascist. You would be only too happy to censor anyone who’s not of the great Vroom’s opinion.
Sorry if the truth hurts. Wait, take that back…I’m not sorry.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
terribleivan wrote:
Professor X wrote:
People who hate the idea of God are about as stupid as those who claim to believe in God…and then show this by either trying to force their beliefs on others or bringing up the subject to the point of nausia thus eliminating any possible good that could come from the discussion of religion.
Even worse yet is the liberal Christian. What an oxymoron!
Or a Christian so foolishly judgemental that he would degrade someone else’s faith based on political stance alone.[/quote]
I totally agree. It’s the moral stance that matters!
[quote]Professor X wrote:
I am just in awe that there are people stupid enough in this country to equate Christianity with “Republican” as if they are one in the same. Now that’s dumb.[/quote]
I totally agree yet again (man, this is amazing)! Take the moral high road professor!
every time headhunter mentions thread invading I laugh a little inside.
[quote]Vroom,
You invaded my thread. The thread was for Christians gentlemen. You suggested that the owners censor this thread, saying ‘that’s worth praying for’. This means that (a) you ‘know’ more than the owners, (b) you believe in censorship. How much more clear can it be?
You are a liberal-come-fascist. You would be only too happy to censor anyone who’s not of the great Vroom’s opinion.
Sorry if the truth hurts. Wait, take that back…I’m not sorry.
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I invaded your thread? Are you really this delusional? If you wanted privacy, perhaps you shouldn’t have made a public thread in a forum used for public discussion?
Oh, I see, you are so fucking deluded you can’t see that my statement was actually humorous.
Ahahahahaa! Are you really that stupid? I thought you were talking about the fact that I think it would be a good business practice to discourage blatant bible thumping.
So, once again, you claim I would like to be a dictator (I think that is the word that is so masterfully eluding your grasp) while you are happily dictating to me how I behave.
Is it even possible for you to throw an insult at me without acting in the very manner you accuse me of?
This is embarassing. I am starting to feel sorry for encouraging you to make such a schmuck out of yourself.
Unasnwered questions that I am STILL waiting to hear about…
Your definition of trespass which I apparently am too ignorant to grasp.
Your opinion of Hare Krishna.
Your opinion of Scientology.
There are others, but heck, I’d be amazed if you could address these.
Would you actually like to discuss any subjects, or are you going to ineffectually hurl lame insults at me all night long – making yourself look like a chump (and very un-Christian) in the process?
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
haney wrote:
terribleivan wrote:
Professor X wrote:
People who hate the idea of God are about as stupid as those who claim to believe in God…and then show this by either trying to force their beliefs on others or bringing up the subject to the point of nausia thus eliminating any possible good that could come from the discussion of religion.
Even worse yet is the liberal Christian. What an oxymoron!
I am not a liberal, and I agree with the prof. This isn’t biblical, and it isn’t winning any friends.
Haney,
These guys stuck their noses into a thread not meant for them. This thread was for Christian GENTLEMEN who wanted to pray for an atheist. They had to have their say and spew their venom. They should be ashamed.
HH
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Oh fuck that.
Give me a GODDAMN BREAK!
The bullshit is spewing from you all over.
Christian gentlmen? This thread was made to provoke another bullshit discussion about God where you can all quote the Bible and feel so goddamn self-righteous while looking down your damn noses on atheists and agnostics.
Christian gentlemen? Are you kidding? So Jews shouldn’t even read this, because its not meant for them? What the hell are you thinking?
Never once has there been one fucking conversation about God here that didn’t degenerate into Zeb, TerribleIvan (who is a goddamn retard), and SteveO quoting the Bible and answering all questions with more Bible.
If you want no discussion about religion, then don’t put the fucking thread up. I think its funny that the Prof manages to stay out of this religious shitstorm, even though he has said many times he is a firm believer. Maybe its because he’s comfortable enough in his own faith that he doesn’t feel the need to jam it down the throats of everyone else, or he’s content with his own spirituality. Amazing, because he seems to be the only fucking Christian gentlemen anywhere on this site (although haney has also been open to disussion).
I can’t believe this is even taking place. You guys are ridiculous.
So SteveO, Headhunter, TerribleIvan, and all the rest that want to “Pray for us” because we don’t think like you do: Keep your fucking prayers, because you people are just as bad as the Muslim extremists you claim to be so against. There is nothing worse or more dangerous to the world than religious zealots- count yourselves among them.
Disgusting.
Since the prayer of the wicked is an abomination to God (Proverbs 15:8), then for the wicked to pray would be an abomination to God.
Only those who believe that the work of Jesus Christ alone makes the difference between salvation and damnation are ones whose prayers are acceptable to God. That means that all the prayers of those who believe that Jesus Christ died for everyone without exception are abominations to God:
==For You are not a God enjoying wickedness; nor shall evil live with You. The boasters shall not set themselves before Your eyes. You hate all workers of iniquity (Psalm 5:4-5)==
God hates boastERS. So what is a boaster? The Hebrew word comes from “ha-LAL”, which means “to shine” or “to glory.” A boaster is a “shiner,” or “one who makes a show.” He is a “glorier,” or one who glories in himself. He is one who boasts in his own strength. He boasts of his own righteousness as forming some or all of the ground of his salvation. He boasts of his reforming and abstaining and obeying as that which recommends him to God. He glories in his own works as that which make the difference between him and the unsaved. Do you want to know how to find out what a person glories in? You just have to find out what he thinks makes the ultimate difference between heaven and hell.
Now if you go up to a religionist who calls himself a Christian and ask him what makes the ultimate difference between heaven and hell, what’s he going to say? Of course, he’s going to say, “Jesus Christ.” But this is just a deceptive cloak.
What you really need to ask him is if Jesus Christ died for everyone without exception. If he says “yes,” then you KNOW wherein he glories. He believes that Jesus Christ died for those in heaven and those in hell. Thus, he believes that it is NOT the work of Jesus Christ ALONE that makes the ultimate difference between heaven and hell; instead, he believes that it is the work of the SINNER that makes the ultimate difference between heaven and hell. Thus, he boasts in, he glories in, the work of the SINNER.
And since he thinks he’s saved, he is glorying in HIS OWN WORKS as what makes him to differ between himself and other sinners. He believes that it is his FAITH or his REPENTANCE or his PERSEVERANCE or his GOOD DEEDS that make the difference. He is a boaster, and God hates him. Let me make it very clear: GOD HATES all who believe that Jesus Christ died for everyone without exception.
In contrast to those who boast in or glory in themselves, true Christians are ones who boast in or glory in the cross of Christ:
==But may it never be for me to boast, except in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom the world has been crucified to me, and I to the world (Galatians 6:14)==
The CROSS OF CHRIST is the only thing true Christians glory in! They glory in the cross because they KNOW that it is what makes the ONLY difference between heaven and hell! They KNOW that the cross of Christ demands and ensures the salvation of EVERY SINGLE PERSON WITHOUT EXCEPTION for whom Christ died! They know that ALL those for whom Christ died on the cross WILL BE SAVED. They know that the cross of Christ is the ONLY ground of our salvation! Thus, they glory (i.e., boast in) in the cross.
[quote]vroom wrote:
Vroom,
You invaded my thread. The thread was for Christians gentlemen. You suggested that the owners censor this thread, saying ‘that’s worth praying for’. This means that (a) you ‘know’ more than the owners, (b) you believe in censorship. How much more clear can it be?
You are a liberal-come-fascist. You would be only too happy to censor anyone who’s not of the great Vroom’s opinion.
Sorry if the truth hurts. Wait, take that back…I’m not sorry.
I invaded your thread? Are you really this delusional? If you wanted privacy, perhaps you shouldn’t have made a public thread in a forum used for public discussion?
‘that’s worth praying for’
Oh, I see, you are so fucking deluded you can’t see that my statement was actually humorous.
Ahahahahaa! Are you really that stupid? I thought you were talking about the fact that I think it would be a good business practice to discourage blatant bible thumping.
So when you talk about censorship, you were just being ‘humorous’? This is such a blatant lie, you should be a politician. If I said something equivalent, you’d have a cow!
Bible thumping? How is requesting prayers for someone that? Did I even mention the Bible? What a fucking clown!
Get lost, loser. You’re toast, by your own words and your own deeds. Until and unless you can think rationally, don’t respond to anything I write.
Wait, its being shoved at you. It appears on your screen so you MUST read it. You are the Great Vroom, protector of all, Grand Censor of the Universe.
What a pathetic little human being you are.
[quote]haney wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
haney wrote:
terribleivan wrote:
Professor X wrote:
People who hate the idea of God are about as stupid as those who claim to believe in God…and then show this by either trying to force their beliefs on others or bringing up the subject to the point of nausia thus eliminating any possible good that could come from the discussion of religion.
Even worse yet is the liberal Christian. What an oxymoron!
I am not a liberal, and I agree with the prof. This isn’t biblical, and it isn’t winning any friends.
Haney,
These guys stuck their noses into a thread not meant for them. This thread was for Christian GENTLEMEN who wanted to pray for an atheist. They had to have their say and spew their venom. They should be ashamed.
HH
So what should our reaction be? Anger? I am sure that pookie and any other atheist views our reaction as very hypocritical.
Truth be told if they reject the gospel our reaction is to “shake the dust of that town of our feet”!
Translation move on. I am all for praying for lost souls, but even I rolled my eys at this thread.
Many of the replies from Christians come across as hateful and very arrogant. Who would want to be a part of a group that says Jesus loves you, and then turns around and says on the day of judgement I won’t feel sorry for you?
There is an old Jewish parable that goes like this:
After the Children of Israel crossed over the Red Sea, and the waters begin to return covering the Egytians, the Israelites begin to rejoice and sing praise to God. The angels observing this begin to rejoice with them. God then spoke to the angels and said how can you do this? Weren’t the egytians my creation too? Didn’t I love them also? I expect this from men, but you are with me everyday.
My point is how can you have a thread that is well intentioned(possibly) and then get upset when the very people you want to pray for begin mocking you?
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Not upset by these clowns. They’re just reminders that mosquito season is around the corner.
[quote]orion wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
SIt should be plain to anyone reading your words to see how liberals are really hidden little fascists, wanting censorship over others and crushing of anything they happen to disagree with.
So long, and thanks for all the fish…[/quote]
Yep, time to go back to scratching your ass.
[quote]Ren wrote:
every time headhunter mentions thread invading I laugh a little inside. [/quote]
Happy to give a fellow Ohioan a little ‘laugh inside’! What ‘inside’ is that, prison?
What prison are you in?
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
haney wrote:
terribleivan wrote:
Professor X wrote:
People who hate the idea of God are about as stupid as those who claim to believe in God…and then show this by either trying to force their beliefs on others or bringing up the subject to the point of nausia thus eliminating any possible good that could come from the discussion of religion.
Even worse yet is the liberal Christian. What an oxymoron!
I am not a liberal, and I agree with the prof. This isn’t biblical, and it isn’t winning any friends.
Haney,
These guys stuck their noses into a thread not meant for them. This thread was for Christian GENTLEMEN who wanted to pray for an atheist. They had to have their say and spew their venom. They should be ashamed.
HH
Oh fuck that.
Give me a GODDAMN BREAK!
The bullshit is spewing from you all over.
Christian gentlmen? This thread was made to provoke another bullshit discussion about God where you can all quote the Bible and feel so goddamn self-righteous while looking down your damn noses on atheists and agnostics.
Christian gentlemen? Are you kidding? So Jews shouldn’t even read this, because its not meant for them? What the hell are you thinking?
Never once has there been one fucking conversation about God here that didn’t degenerate into Zeb, TerribleIvan (who is a goddamn retard), and SteveO quoting the Bible and answering all questions with more Bible.
If you want no discussion about religion, then don’t put the fucking thread up. I think its funny that the Prof manages to stay out of this religious shitstorm, even though he has said many times he is a firm believer. Maybe its because he’s comfortable enough in his own faith that he doesn’t feel the need to jam it down the throats of everyone else, or he’s content with his own spirituality. Amazing, because he seems to be the only fucking Christian gentlemen anywhere on this site (although haney has also been open to disussion).
I can’t believe this is even taking place. You guys are ridiculous.
So SteveO, Headhunter, TerribleIvan, and all the rest that want to “Pray for us” because we don’t think like you do: Keep your fucking prayers, because you people are just as bad as the Muslim extremists you claim to be so against. There is nothing worse or more dangerous to the world than religious zealots- count yourselves among them.
Disgusting. [/quote]
I agree. I promise to never pray for any of you again. I am an extremist and dangerous to everyone, just as bad as people who walk into day care centers, smile at the children, then push the ‘right’ button. I am the height of evil because I take the words “Love thy Neighbor” seriously and wish only the best for him. Yes, I follow your logic and am in complete agreement with you and X and even Vroom.
[quote]Get lost, loser. You’re toast, by your own words and your own deeds. Until and unless you can think rationally, don’t respond to anything I write.
Wait, its being shoved at you. It appears on your screen so you MUST read it. You are the Great Vroom, protector of all, Grand Censor of the Universe.
What a pathetic little human being you are.
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What a fine example of a Christian you are!!!
Once again, if you are seeing me get something wrong, you just cut and paste the text and show me where I’m making a mistake, I’ll be happy to own up to it. I think your reading comprehension is a bit suspect though…
You are also degenerating into personal insults all over the place, did you happen to notice that?
No, don’t be a moron, I’m not saying that I didn’t insult you. I know your logic is shakey, but accusing you of something isn’t the same as declaring my innocence, you realize that right?
Howabout the four or five questions that I have asked of you over and over again? Any chance you would like to address those issues, or are you simply incapable of discussing them?
I like how you “declare yourself the winner” when you have basically made a complete and utter fool of yourself. You could work for the Bush administration!
I don’t see a lot of this neighborly love showered in my direction…
Fucker.
[quote]vroom wrote:
I am the height of evil because I take the words “Love thy Neighbor” seriously and wish only the best for him.
I don’t see a lot of this neighborly love showered in my direction…
Fucker.[/quote]
Jesus loves you vroom! 