I don’t hate the idea of a god, whatever god may be. What I hate is the droves of people who think they know what god is and want to tell me all about it.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
People who hate the idea of God are about as stupid as those who claim to believe in God…and then show this by either trying to force their beliefs on others or bringing up the subject to the point of nausia thus eliminating any possible good that could come from the discussion of religion.[/quote]
[quote]Professor X wrote:
People who hate the idea of God are about as stupid as those who claim to believe in God…and then show this by either trying to force their beliefs on others or bringing up the subject to the point of nausia thus eliminating any possible good that could come from the discussion of religion.[/quote]
Well said.
I think some of this is being continued
for reasons other than those presented.
[quote]vroom wrote:
I am perfectly happy to debate with you or anyone (unless it turns to name-calling). But notice how you began accusing me of theft. That’s why I had to trick you on your 4 Principles thread. Libs simply cannot argue without violating the very principles they espouse. Conservatives have to obey the ‘rules’ but libs can slander and lie with impunity. Since most libs are also atheists, they have no moral principles to guide themselves. They then become like little children, screaming, “I hate you!”, or some other such childish nonsense. That’s why Dean had his scream-fit. He’s a lib-child.
And that’s why you came on this thread.
Headhunter,
Nice, you’ve gone down a whole new path here with this tripe. There are plenty of Liberals who are Christians and plenty of Conservatives that aren’t, which has nothing to do with any of this. Neither does whether or not one is a Christian have much of anything to do with having morals.
However, in your own terms, it is when people claim to follow something (which I did not do in my four principles thread) that other’s then measure their behavior based on it.
Anyway, I used the word trespass, which is not exactly the same as theft. What makes you think you are being a thief, since that is the word you substituted? Also, I think I tired to elucidate why I felt that was the case, did this hurt your feelings or something?
If I think it to be true, and you don’t, that doesn’t make it either slanderous or untruthful. You’d better watch it, you are the one playing word games around here.
If you are so convinced, explain to me why I’m wrong when I consider coopting the message boards for the purpose of spreading religion, when I believe it hurts business, is trespassing? Why is it not?
How come when I want to discuss an issue that deals with what I see as your own misbehavior you get upset and defensive? Why are you casting stones at me and at liberals all of a sudden? Why not discuss the issue at hand and show my why I am mistaken in my interpretation?
Did you get a feeling of cognitive dissonance and feel the need to strike out in anger? Is that the little child syndrome you were describing to us?[/quote]
The thread was started to pray for Pookie! YOU stuck your nose in. You now rant on about this absurd bullshit. It’s a prayer thread which I didn’t even put in here.
Pray or Go Away!!
[quote]Professor X wrote:
People who hate the idea of God are about as stupid as those who claim to believe in God…and then show this by either trying to force their beliefs on others or bringing up the subject to the point of nausia thus eliminating any possible good that could come from the discussion of religion.[/quote]
Even worse yet is the liberal Christian. What an oxymoron!
[quote]terribleivan wrote:
Professor X wrote:
People who hate the idea of God are about as stupid as those who claim to believe in God…and then show this by either trying to force their beliefs on others or bringing up the subject to the point of nausia thus eliminating any possible good that could come from the discussion of religion.
Even worse yet is the liberal Christian. What an oxymoron![/quote]
Christ was that long haired, sandal wearing dude that always did hang out with his friends, knew how to get a party going (turning water into wine?) and generally told people to relax wasn?t he?
WWJD?
Roll a spliff and light it up?
[quote]The thread was started to pray for Pookie! YOU stuck your nose in. You now rant on about this absurd bullshit. It’s a prayer thread which I didn’t even put in here.
Pray or Go Away!!
[/quote]
You continue to completely ignore every issue I have raised, or question that I have asked you.
Why do you think the thread was put in the politics forum? Why do you think the politics forum was recently removed from the top discussions list?
I think there is a difference between trespassing and theft, don’t you? If there is no difference, why is it elucidated seperately? Maybe you should think on that oh devout ones.
Anyway, I think your closed mind is causing you to jump to conclusions and look a little foolish here headhunter. Nowhere have I ever said I was an atheist. I am also not on anyones “side”, though I do get annoyed at having religion shoved at me when I didn’t go looking for it.
Oh boo hoo.
By the way, political correctness is the action of trying NOT to offend people, I hardly think you can refer to my actions in this thread as politically correct.
Here I am being told to think, too. This is laughable.
[quote]terribleivan wrote:
Even worse yet is the liberal Christian. What an oxymoron![/quote]
give all your possesion to the poor and follow me…
love your enemies…
It is easier for a camel to get through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God…
[quote]terribleivan wrote:
Professor X wrote:
People who hate the idea of God are about as stupid as those who claim to believe in God…and then show this by either trying to force their beliefs on others or bringing up the subject to the point of nausia thus eliminating any possible good that could come from the discussion of religion.
Even worse yet is the liberal Christian. What an oxymoron![/quote]
Or a Christian so foolishly judgemental that he would degrade someone else’s faith based on political stance alone.
[quote]vroom wrote:
Why do you think the thread was put in the politics forum? Why do you think the politics forum was recently removed from the top discussions list?[/quote]
I seriously doubt most even paid attention to that in between cheers and rah rah’s.
[quote]terribleivan wrote:
Professor X wrote:
People who hate the idea of God are about as stupid as those who claim to believe in God…and then show this by either trying to force their beliefs on others or bringing up the subject to the point of nausia thus eliminating any possible good that could come from the discussion of religion.
Even worse yet is the liberal Christian. What an oxymoron![/quote]
I am not a liberal, and I agree with the prof. This isn’t biblical, and it isn’t winning any friends.
I am just in awe that there are people stupid enough in this country to equate Christianity with “Republican” as if they are one in the same. Now that’s dumb.
Vroom,
Do you realize how egotistical you sound on this thread?
(1) The T-Nation owners don’t know how to run their website, according to you. They should ban religious discussion as it ‘hurts their business’.
(2) T-Nation should engage in CENSORSHIP over religion. You would censor this and other threads.
(3) You ignorantly don’t know the difference between theft and trespass, accusing me of co-opting T-Nation resources to spread my own religious agenda, then call this ‘trespassing’.
Like the Democratic party, you propose to tell us what is good for us. You propose to rule us and decide what is best. YOU decide, not others. YOU censor others and if they don’t like it, they’re religious nutcases. And you, when confronted, resort to namecalling and other absurdities.
You need a long look in the mirror. Who died and made you king?
You came on to this thread, you little egomaniac. You stuck your nose in. I think I just knocked it off.
[quote]haney wrote:
terribleivan wrote:
Professor X wrote:
People who hate the idea of God are about as stupid as those who claim to believe in God…and then show this by either trying to force their beliefs on others or bringing up the subject to the point of nausia thus eliminating any possible good that could come from the discussion of religion.
Even worse yet is the liberal Christian. What an oxymoron!
I am not a liberal, and I agree with the prof. This isn’t biblical, and it isn’t winning any friends.
[/quote]
Haney,
These guys stuck their noses into a thread not meant for them. This thread was for Christian GENTLEMEN who wanted to pray for an atheist. They had to have their say and spew their venom. They should be ashamed.
HH
[quote]vroom wrote:
Anyway, I think your closed mind is causing you to jump to conclusions and look a little foolish here headhunter. Nowhere have I ever said I was an atheist. I am also not on anyones “side”, though I do get annoyed at having religion shoved at me when I didn’t go looking for it. [/quote]
You chose to rant in THIS thread! No one forced you to read it! ‘Shoved at you’?? How was anything shoved at you?
Are you the self-appointed guardian of the threads, on the lookout for anything that might go against your agenda?
[quote]Flop Hat wrote:
I don’t hate the idea of a god, whatever god may be. What I hate is the droves of people who think they know what god is and want to tell me all about it.
Professor X wrote:
People who hate the idea of God are about as stupid as those who claim to believe in God…and then show this by either trying to force their beliefs on others or bringing up the subject to the point of nausia thus eliminating any possible good that could come from the discussion of religion.
[/quote]
Here’s a clue: Don’t read it!! If there’s a thread I don’t like, I DON’T READ IT!
May I suggest you read ONLY THINGS THAT INTEREST YOU?
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Do you realize how egotistical you sound on this thread?[/quote]
Nice try Headhunter, but you are doing a lot of twisting to come to this conclusion… and all this twisting is just a means to ignore the questions I’ve raised.
I’d never suggest they don’t know how to run their website. In fact, since they have stopped including the politics forum in the top discussions list, I’d suggest they in fact are doing what they need to.
In any case, I’m pretty sure they know a lot more about running a site like this than I do or you do… but in general, strong religion is not conducive to a mainstream audience. Don’t blame me for that. If you feel I am wrong, you need but argue your point.
I’ve asked you to do just that several times now.
Would I? You think I’m arguing for censorship? Maybe I’m suggesting you consider your actions and the effects they may be having on another… so that you choose not to continue in your errant ways.
Anyway, in case you haven’t noticed it, your right to free speech doesn’t mean that I don’t have the right to criticise your free speech, or otherwise call you to task for it. Haven’t you been following along in the forums?
Nice try though… throw the bugaboo of censorship on my back.
This is funny, you are really going to criticise my character because of some knowledge that I appear to lack? At the same time, you will not bother to share this tidbit of information which leaves me so lacking?
Ahahahahaha!
So, since you appear to know the differance, how about you be a good Christian and share this knowledge instead of chastising me for not knowing everything.
I happen to feel that theft has implications that trespass doesn’t. However, I’m all ears. Define the two in this context and tell me what it is that you are doing…
Where do you come up with this stuff. First, I have nothing to do with the democratic party. Second, by your very actions in this post you are doing all these horrible acts that you would place on my shoulders. Do you not see the absurdity of your holier than thou attitude when you do exactly what you accuse me of doing?
So, then, I am not allowed to comment on all the blatant religious material on the boards, the purpose of which is to tell us how to live our lives, such that we conform to your specific interpretation and beliefs based on your own religion?
By the way, I’m not telling you how to live… I’m telling you how YOUR RELIGION says you should be living, there is a difference.
[quote]You need a long look in the mirror. Who died and made you king?
You came on to this thread, you little egomaniac. You stuck your nose in. I think I just knocked it off. [/quote]
I think your focus on ego is quite telling, perhaps highlighting an issue in your own character. It is something you have attributed to me that quite simply is not there.
You really need to take your own advice. This is quite humorous and it really shows your colors quite plainly.
Weren’t you pretending to the be the pious one around here? All I’ve done is suggest that you aren’t practicing what you are preaching.
If I am wrong, simply tell me why.
Your behavior in this thread has become, to put it simply, astounding!
Headhunter,
What do you feel, or what do you think, when you encounter Hare Krishna followers in an airport?
Alternately, what emotions are evoked in you when you see Tom Cruise preaching the tenets of Scientology?
Do you think you might be able to address these questions, instead of coming up with some strange interpretation of what I’m saying, so that they could be discussed?
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
haney wrote:
terribleivan wrote:
Professor X wrote:
People who hate the idea of God are about as stupid as those who claim to believe in God…and then show this by either trying to force their beliefs on others or bringing up the subject to the point of nausia thus eliminating any possible good that could come from the discussion of religion.
Even worse yet is the liberal Christian. What an oxymoron!
I am not a liberal, and I agree with the prof. This isn’t biblical, and it isn’t winning any friends.
Haney,
These guys stuck their noses into a thread not meant for them. This thread was for Christian GENTLEMEN who wanted to pray for an atheist. They had to have their say and spew their venom. They should be ashamed.
HH
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So what should our reaction be? Anger? I am sure that pookie and any other atheist views our reaction as very hypocritical.
Truth be told if they reject the gospel our reaction is to “shake the dust of that town of our feet”!
Translation move on. I am all for praying for lost souls, but even I rolled my eys at this thread.
Many of the replies from Christians come across as hateful and very arrogant. Who would want to be a part of a group that says Jesus loves you, and then turns around and says on the day of judgement I won’t feel sorry for you?
There is an old Jewish parable that goes like this:
After the Children of Israel crossed over the Red Sea, and the waters begin to return covering the Egytians, the Israelites begin to rejoice and sing praise to God. The angels observing this begin to rejoice with them. God then spoke to the angels and said how can you do this? Weren’t the egytians my creation too? Didn’t I love them also? I expect this from men, but you are with me everyday.
My point is how can you have a thread that is well intentioned(possibly) and then get upset when the very people you want to pray for begin mocking you?
Was it really? I hope you are being honest here, because telling lies is another problem area for Christians.
Are you sure it wasn’t to create a public display of piety so that you could feel good about doing so? If it was, then you have elements of pride, ouch, another problem area for Christians.
Caring, or praying, for Pookie’s soul, is not something that requires a public demonstration. It is very possible that those chastising you on this thread have privately done such acts, without the need to crow about it.
See? Again, I’m not telling you how to behave, but I am suggesting my interpretation of Christianity and the strictures that it may place on your behavior.
You are certainly welcome to explain to me why my understanding is deficient, without resorting to childish personal attacks – which really just hint at wounded pride.
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Flop Hat wrote:
I don’t hate the idea of a god, whatever god may be. What I hate is the droves of people who think they know what god is and want to tell me all about it.
Professor X wrote:
People who hate the idea of God are about as stupid as those who claim to believe in God…and then show this by either trying to force their beliefs on others or bringing up the subject to the point of nausia thus eliminating any possible good that could come from the discussion of religion.
Here’s a clue: Don’t read it!! If there’s a thread I don’t like, I DON’T READ IT!
May I suggest you read ONLY THINGS THAT INTEREST YOU?
[/quote]
Oh, but it does interest me. It interests me that you call yourself “Christian” when your actions are nothing but to mock the religion yourself. A prayer for an atheist? If your intentions were true, you could have handled this through pm’s. It isn’t like those who think just like you don’t make it known. You didn’t start this thread in good nature. You started it to make a scene. You have the nerve to look down on others when I haven’t seen one action from you on this board that echoes a true desire to help anyone nor have I seen any indication of that in your character. What makes you a “Christian”? What have you done that shows you are one? Start a thread like this on a bodybuilding forum?
Dear Lord, if the way some of you are acting is the characteristic of a Christian, why would you think anyone would want to be a part of what you’re expressing? Your elite group of superior moralists and God fearing Republicans (since apparently Republican and Christian are now one in the same according to one of you). Perhaps the first person you need to pray for, is yourself.