Praying for Pookie

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[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
Was gone for a while.

What bothers me here is that I started the thread for a specific purpose. Several people then came to spew on it. They bitched about a religious thread.

Wow you are getting arrogant. No, you started another thread so you could look down your nose at us filthy little atheists.

Keep your prayers and your threads. This is some bullshit.

Hey, he admitted his atheism. Good, now admit your nihilism and you’re on the road to recovery, buddy!

I didn’t say I was an atheist. I have never said that. Ever. That comment was dripping in sarcasm.

You and the rest of them look down on all those that either don’t believe or aren’t sure.

Just the fact that you are “Praying for me” is screaming arrogance and elitism of the highest nature. Announcing it to everyone is even worse. I don’t want your pity, your prayers, or anything to do with the cultish beliefs I have seen on display here.[/quote]

There’s an interesting theme here: the atheists seem to think that someone prays so that they’ll ‘feel superior to’ others. That is so far from the truth as to be laughable. I pray to God to let Him know that I love Him and that, if willing, He would show Himself to more of you (as He has to me). How that is anything like Irish said is outside my ken.

People don’t pray for others to show superiority. They pray to get closer to God. The views of Irish are simple nihilism.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
LMAO! You lied about no one praying for Pookie publicly (I did) and claim that I did all this to ‘feel superior’?

If you call the playful pretense you posted a true prayer, that says everything right there. Words strung together into sentences do not make a prayer without the true intention behind it. I am done with you and this thread.[/quote]

Did you go back and find the prayer yet? Its not at the beginning, but shortly thereafter. Obviously not. Are you too lazy to do a little looking, too?

Sad.

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ShawnW

Of course you can also take it a step further in the proof. If god exists in the form we are taught to believe: then logically our salvation has been predicated at the birth of the universe. Now simply do a little arithmetic and figure how many people have lived and died on this earth with out ever having known the Christian or before 2000 years ago the Jewish god. In reality the demographic of the Christian god has not been all that wide spread through out the centuries until fairly recently. So now ask the question… if a man is born and dies with out ever having the opportunity to come to Christ, how can he in good conscience be sent to hell. There are only two ways to be saved according to the bible if you choose to take it literally, either by faith in Jesus Christ as your personal savior, or as is in with small children who cannot comprehend god, they must be baptized and have the lords mark upon their brow. If they meet one of the qualifications then they are accepted at the lords table, if not then they are cast into darkness where there is much weeping and gnashing of teeth. So even if it was logically possible for a being to know the future and not be responsible for the consequences to some level or another; then how to you justify the millions upon millions that never got the opportunity to make the “choice”.
There are many things that do not logically make sense to me on the topic, but as steveo said, and many before him… that is simply where faith comes into play… which is where I will have to agree with you, there are much more logical things to invest my faith in.

Ill try to answer the question about lying for you as best as I can. It can be argued that the ninth commandment has something to do with lying, but never says it explicitly in the ten commandments. It mainly depends on how literally you look at the bible, if you take it as I try to, than die doesn’t have to mean to physically die. Also you have to remember how many times the bible has been translated and retranslated, so in some instances I have found it helpful to look at it a bit less literally, if you want it to make more logical sense anyhow. If you choose to look at it completely literally, then god still isn’t lying… if you eat the fruit you will die… but then again… even if you don’t eat the fruit you will die, and if thats the case, then god has a sick sense of humor… which is arguable anyhow.

I’m off to work… but Ill try to get back to this later this evening. Have a good one.

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“Oh, I don’t reject your Christ. I love your Christ. It’s just that so many of you Christians are so unlike your Christ.” ~ghandi

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[quote]haney wrote:
“Oh, I don’t reject your Christ. I love your Christ. It’s just that so many of you Christians are so unlike your Christ.” ~ghandi[/quote]

Christ seems to have done a little ‘evangelising’. Could Ghandhi have been referring to oppressive british elites and not those of us who talk about God?

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Irish, of course it doesn’t matter in the singlest bit, I was just curious.

Prof, I’m in an interesting situation when it comes to Christianity. I went to a YoungLife camp two years ago, knowing that it had some religiuos elements to it, but not knowing how powerful (or tricky) it would be.

Since then, I’ve had a kind of unbridled faith and belief that God exists, and that Jesus was his son. But on the other hand, I do not read the Bible, I do not follow any Christian beliefs, and in no way follow a Christian life. This is an issue I sometimes struggle with, trying to identify myself through where I stand in this mess.

FlopHat, I find Deism interesting, in that one of my core beliefs is also that too many times, Christians place too much faith in humans rather than Jesus, Catholicism being the prime example of this.

The rituals and rules of the Catholic church, although undoubtebly arising from the Bible, should have no precedence over the word of God, or over your prayer with the Trinity.

I tend to go so far as to say that prayer is itself more important than even the Bible, for the Bible was in fact compiled by humans, and humans tend to err. I see the Bible as a guiding book, and prayer as the true word of God.

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[quote]Headhunter wrote:
haney wrote:
“Oh, I don’t reject your Christ. I love your Christ. It’s just that so many of you Christians are so unlike your Christ.” ~ghandi

Christ seems to have done a little ‘evangelising’. Could Ghandhi have been referring to oppressive british elites and not those of us who talk about God?

[/quote]
No because he was talking to a missionary(E. Stanley Jones) to india. Who asked why he quoted Christ, but rejected Christianity.

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[quote]danmaftei wrote:
Irish, of course it doesn’t matter in the singlest bit, I was just curious.

Prof, I’m in an interesting situation when it comes to Christianity. I went to a YoungLife camp two years ago, knowing that it had some religiuos elements to it, but not knowing how powerful (or tricky) it would be.

Since then, I’ve had a kind of unbridled faith and belief that God exists, and that Jesus was his son. But on the other hand, I do not read the Bible, I do not follow any Christian beliefs, and in no way follow a Christian life. This is an issue I sometimes struggle with, trying to identify myself through where I stand in this mess.

FlopHat, I find Deism interesting, in that one of my core beliefs is also that too many times, Christians place too much faith in humans rather than Jesus, Catholicism being the prime example of this.

The rituals and rules of the Catholic church, although undoubtebly arising from the Bible, should have no precedence over the word of God, or over your prayer with the Trinity.

I tend to go so far as to say that prayer is itself more important than even the Bible, for the Bible was in fact compiled by humans, and humans tend to err. I see the Bible as a guiding book, and prayer as the true word of God.[/quote]

I would like to discuss this further with you, actually. However, I truly believe that some “True Christians” would quickly end any possible good that could come from it if we did so publically right now. Maybe we can pick this up in a couple of weeks.

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[quote]danmaftei wrote:
Irish, of course it doesn’t matter in the singlest bit, I was just curious.

Prof, I’m in an interesting situation when it comes to Christianity. I went to a YoungLife camp two years ago, knowing that it had some religiuos elements to it, but not knowing how powerful (or tricky) it would be.

Since then, I’ve had a kind of unbridled faith and belief that God exists, and that Jesus was his son. But on the other hand, I do not read the Bible, I do not follow any Christian beliefs, and in no way follow a Christian life. This is an issue I sometimes struggle with, trying to identify myself through where I stand in this mess.

FlopHat, I find Deism interesting, in that one of my core beliefs is also that too many times, Christians place too much faith in humans rather than Jesus, Catholicism being the prime example of this.

The rituals and rules of the Catholic church, although undoubtebly arising from the Bible, should have no precedence over the word of God, or over your prayer with the Trinity.

I tend to go so far as to say that prayer is itself more important than even the Bible, for the Bible was in fact compiled by humans, and humans tend to err. I see the Bible as a guiding book, and prayer as the true word of God.[/quote]

Young Life huh? I have a friend that runs a YL sect out here in Houston.

I used to feel similiar a few years ago about God, church, and the people who call themsevles Christians.

If you search for the answers they will always find you.

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I think we need an option where we can create threads that are invitation only.

Prof, feel free to PM me or start a thread any time, I always like discussing religion if it doesn’t turn into a pissing contest.

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[quote]Headhunter wrote:
haney wrote:
“Oh, I don’t reject your Christ. I love your Christ. It’s just that so many of you Christians are so unlike your Christ.” ~ghandi

Christ seems to have done a little ‘evangelising’. Could Ghandhi have been referring to oppressive british elites and not those of us who talk about God?

[/quote]

But Christ was a smooth cat, that had game and moves that were so much better than yours…

He also understood that your audience should come to you and that you cannot force people to listen, because he understood people and the nature of the game…

You don?t…

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[quote]danmaftei wrote:
I think we need an option where we can create threads that are invitation only.

Prof, feel free to PM me or start a thread any time, I always like discussing religion if it doesn’t turn into a pissing contest.[/quote]

I’ll pm you later. I would like to do that openly but I doubt it would end well.

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[quote]orion wrote:

But Christ was a smooth cat, that had game and moves that were so much better than yours…[/quote]

You just compared Jesus Christ to Headhunter. :slight_smile:

[quote]He also understood that your audience should come to you and that you cannot force people to listen, because he understood people and the nature of the game…

You don?t… [/quote]

And you have either not read scripture, or read it and forgotten.

No one angered the “establishment” more than Jesus did. And he went wherever the spirit lead him, and he quoted scripture (from the Old Testament) all the time.

Mark 11:15-17

"And they came to Jerusalem. And He entered the Temple [see Temples] and began to drive out those who sold and those who bought in the Temple, and He overturned the tables of the money-changers and the seats of those who sold pigeons; and

He would not allow any one to carry anything through the Temple. And He taught, and said to them, “Is it not written, ‘My house shall be called a house of prayer for all the nations’? But you have made it a den of robbers.”

He was not very popular for that act. Do you know why he did it?

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[quote]ZEB wrote:
orion wrote:

He was not very popular for that act. Do you know why he did it?[/quote]

Roid rage?

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[quote]danmaftei wrote:
Because I don’t feel like asking each of them in their own PMs, to Irish, ProfX and FlopHat, are you guys Christian? [/quote]

This question is so funny! Usually people who are Christians stick out like a sore thumb. If you have to ask, you should already have a glimpse as to the answer - non-Christian, false Christian, backslidden Christian.

Please don’t try to get biblcial truth from thease guys. Find someone who is well versed with the bible for that.

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[quote]orion wrote:
ZEB wrote:
orion wrote:

He was not very popular for that act. Do you know why he did it?

Roid rage?[/quote]

LOL…um…no.

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[quote]orion wrote:
ZEB wrote:
orion wrote:

He was not very popular for that act. Do you know why he did it?

Roid rage?[/quote]

I gotta admit…that is funny.

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Zeb,

This example describes reclaiming a temple from those who had usurped it for other use.

I think you need another example to make the point you started arguing.

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[quote]ZEB wrote:
He was not very popular for that act. Do you know why he did it?[/quote]

I’m more interested in what he did just before: Curse a fig tree for not having any figs because it wasn’t the season.

He could’ve cursed water for being wet too, while he was at it.

Or before that, when he sends a couple of disciples to steal a colt for him.

Yup, quite a character that Jesus.

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I?m in agreeance with you on the numbers Agnostic ? as you say, billions have lived and died pre jews / pre christians and thus pre biblical rules ? so how can the bible be regarded as the true and literal word of god without condemning 99.995% of our ancestors to the great gnashing?
I?d like the hardcore christians on this thread to have a go at this answer.

Then there is ?the lets take this that much further? We are one planet in a solar system. There are billions of solar systems in our galaxy. There are billions of galaxies in this universe. There may be multiple universes - unknown. If there is one true universal/multiversal god, and the salvation of all sentient beings depends on one bloke who died roughly 2000yrs ago, here on our rock?,where does that leave the potential multi-billions of civilisations out there which might exist but we don?t know about?
It?s a bit rough for them isn?t it?
Ha - just thinking about it, there is as much evidence for alien civilisations existing as there is for god and jesus existing!

There really is too much inconsistancy, and, quiet frankly, insanity in the bible for me to even consider any word of it true. One may find some common sense codes and morals to adhere to, but as for the overall story, well??.