Praying for Pookie

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
ZEB wrote:
Professor X wrote:

God is not entertainment. If you were true in your efforts, you would have kept this in private messages. You are a fraud.

Well, now that is being quite judgmental there pox.

Where does it say in your Bible that praying for someone publicly is automatically grounds for being a fraud?

Between your rantings on this thread and you attacks on other “Christain” threads it’s you who should examine his own sincerity.

Just a suggestion.

This was not a public prayer. What are you smoking? Who has actually prayed publically in this thread? Did you read a prayer somewhere?

This was a scream for more attention. This was a chance to uplift one particular poster’s own image, not God. Who are you fooling? Guess what…it isn’t anyone else.[/quote]

This was suposed to be a prayer thread. At least that’s how it seemed to start out. But then in come the Atheists with the attack posts. And that changes the integrity of thread.

And of course there’s pox out front leading the way …

You are a good little lap dog for the atheists pox…Keep it up maybe they’ll let you in.

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[quote]vroom wrote:
terribleivan wrote:
Ahhhh. Remember. A man is always given away by his speech. Words to the wise for all.

Indeed. To borrow from Pookie…
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Matthew 6:5-6
[5] And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.

[6] But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.
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Looks like we have a few of those street corner hypocrites in our midst. Boo! I say we pelt them with fruits and vegetables.[/quote]

Wonderful. Another atheist who thinks the Bible is worthless yet quotes it for his own selfish pleasure.

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[quote]pookie wrote:
ZEB wrote:
Where does it say in your Bible that praying for someone publicly is automatically grounds for being a fraud?

Matthew 6:5-6

[5] And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.

[6] But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.

…and I’d include the damn PMs in there too. You wanna pray for me, fine; I don’t need to know whether it’s twice daily, every sunday or for the next 30 days.

Pray all you want, but listen to Matthew: STFU about it.
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I just can’t get over it.

pookie always seems so upset over these Christian threads.

Huh…

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You would think that our pox would actually save some of his venom for the threads that attack Christianity.

Odd…he’s silent when it comes to those threads.

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LOL.

You should be more careful. Disagreeing with some prideful fundamentalists does not make one an athiest.

Neither do I think the bible is worthless.

As it often makes points via stories, let me attempt to use a simple story to illustrate my point.

It is a roadmap. You and I are both looking at the map and we will obviously be taking different roads. However, we are both trying to get to the same destination.

I think my path is more likely to take me there than your path of prideful arrogance and diefication of the words of men.

You and your ilk are so blinded by your own feelings of virtue, of believing you are better than others, that you have become blind.

The reason so many people are speaking out against you is because they believe you have erred in your ways. Rejecting wisdom because you do not appreciate the source of the telling is not helping your cause…

Alternately, and consider this carefully, are you just getting upset because people are preaching their own beliefs back to you when you don’t really want to hear them?

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[quote]ZEB wrote:
You would think that our pox would actually save some of his venom for the threads that attack Christianity.

Odd…he’s silent when it comes to those threads.[/quote]

Are you guys doing this for your own entertainment? If not, I really don’t see anything productive or valuable coming from you. You are certainly not helping the cause of Christianity in any way.

You remind me of Jimmy Swaggart and Jim Baker. I can’t imagine how much damage they have done.

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What I really like is that all of you are not even able to shut the fuck up, if your own Holy Book tells you you better should.

It is the same with homosexuality, whatever is written in Leviticus doesn?t count, but being gay is an ABOMINATION…

Yeah, it is the WORD OF GOD, but we will find ways to work around that if it pleases us…

Don?t tell anyone to respect your beliefs if you are not able to do that yourselves if it is a little uncomfortable.

You are no Christians, you are self righteous hypocritical bastards that would sail under any, and I mean ANY, flag if that meant you could feel superior.

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[quote]orion wrote:
What I really like is that all of you are not even able to shut the fuck up, if your own Holy Book tells you you better should.

It is the same with homosexuality, whatever is written in Leviticus doesn?t count, but being gay is an ABOMINATION…

Yeah, it is the WORD OF GOD, but we will find ways to work around that if it pleases us…

Don?t tell anyone to respect your beliefs if you are not able to do that yourselves if it is a little uncomfortable.

You are no Christians, you are self righteous hypocritical bastards that would sail under any, and I mean ANY, flag if that meant you could feel superior.

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This is what happens when you are dealing with people who have trivialized a religion to the point that they relate the love of God with being Republican or “Conservative”. People like that need to feel superior to others in some way. This is their playground to do it.

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[quote]vroom wrote:
I think my path is more likely to take me there than your path of prideful arrogance and diefication of the words of men.

You and your ilk are so blinded by your own feelings of virtue, of believing you are better than others, that you have become blind.[/quote]

And here is the crux of the matter. Vroom has summed it up nicely for the anti-God side.

When a Christian posts that he is praying for someone, or that you should be saved by the blood of Jesus Christ he is not claiming superiourity, nor is he making any sort of ultimate judgement. It may very well come across that way to those who are not Christians and really don’t want to hear it, but that is just not the case.

The reason you THINK that he is claiming superiority is because it makes YOU feel that you are somehow wrong related to your own beliefs (or lack of them, whichever).

No one is claiming superiority. I sin, you sin, we all sin. It’s not that Christians are BETTER. And it’s not that we feel that we are better. That is a manifestation of your own mind. However, we do feel that we are “saved” from the judgement for those sins. That Headhunter, or any other Christian attempts to either alert you to this fact, or pray for you is not a bad thing. It only “feels” like a bad thing because you are not believing that any of it is either true or sincerely offered.

Again that is a judgement call on YOUR part.

You simply don’t want to read it. And that’s what causes the heated debates. And it will always cause heated debates. When you want to get along with everyone all you have to do is say that you have taken up Buddhism (plug in your own non-offensive religion here) and you meditate three hours per day while staring at a tree. No problem there. No one will attack you for that as you are not “inferring any guilt.” Nor are you claiming that you might have at least one answer to lifes ultimate conclusion.

A Christian claims that he is saved from the fires of hell because of his faith in Christ. When you or any non-Christian hears that it apparently feels like whoever said it is pointing the finger at you and that makes YOU feel uncomfortable.

Naturally, this is very minor compared to how uncomfortable Jesus Christ made many feel when he said that he was in fact God!

He really angered the Pharisees when he said in John 8:12:

“I am the light of the world. Whoever follows me will never walk in darkness, but will have light of life.”

John 8:13:

“…Here you are, appearing as your won witness your testimony is not valid.”

But Chirst did not come to play games with the world or anyone else who refused to accept him

Luke 12: 51 & 52:

“Do you think I came to bring peace on earth? No, I tell you, but division.”

“from now on there will be five in one family divided against each other, three against two and two against three.”

They crucified him because he caused quite a stir!

God’s word will never be stated without resistance. That’s the way it has always been and that’t the way it will always be. Why that is should be obvious as I have stated.

To attack any of the posters on this board and call them names only proves the point.

YOU don’t want to hear ANY form of Christianity! When you do you will attack. It’s never going to sound quite right to you and you don’t like it. SIMPLE.

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[quote]Go-Rilla wrote:
ZEB wrote:
You would think that our pox would actually save some of his venom for the threads that attack Christianity.

Odd…he’s silent when it comes to those threads.

Are you guys doing this for your own entertainment? If not, I really don’t see anything productive or valuable coming from you. You are certainly not helping the cause of Christianity in any way.

You remind me of Jimmy Swaggart and Jim Baker. I can’t imagine how much damage they have done.

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Thank you.

After looking at your anti-Christian rhetoric I consider that to be a compliment. Hence, I know I am on the right road.

Jesus Christ IS the son of God and he came to this earth in order to save us from the penalty of our sins. If you accept him you are saved. If you don’t you are not saved.

That you don’t want to hear the above comes as no surprise to me. But I do thank you for giving me one more opportunity to point out that very important never changing fact!

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
orion wrote:
What I really like is that all of you are not even able to shut the fuck up, if your own Holy Book tells you you better should.

It is the same with homosexuality, whatever is written in Leviticus doesn?t count, but being gay is an ABOMINATION…

Yeah, it is the WORD OF GOD, but we will find ways to work around that if it pleases us…

Don?t tell anyone to respect your beliefs if you are not able to do that yourselves if it is a little uncomfortable.

You are no Christians, you are self righteous hypocritical bastards that would sail under any, and I mean ANY, flag if that meant you could feel superior.

This is what happens when you are dealing with people who have trivialized a religion to the point that they relate the love of God with being Republican or “Conservative”. People like that need to feel superior to others in some way. This is their playground to do it.[/quote]

I have never once related being Christian to being republican or conservative.

That you would attempt to relate the two actually trivializes religion. But then that seems to be your main drive for your constant attack on Christians on this board.

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Zeb,

You are in need of serious counseling.

Either you are getting a big kick out of this foolishness you are spouting or you are twisted beyond anyone but
God’s ability to help you.

Seek help from a qualified Pastor. If you don’t get anywhere there I’d suggest a good mental health physician.

If you are just getting your kicks then congratulations…we’ve been helping you amuse yourself.

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Steveo

As I suspected, this is the point where we will disagree. I can no long in my life accept things on faith, if I don’t perceive it as following logic I can find no peace in it, my mind will not accept any perceived inconsistencies, even in my deities as odd as that may sound. And no, you don’t have to go into more scripture, I have read the book many times now though my studies and time in the fold. I was simply curious as to if I was missing something in my studies, I had come to a certain point of impasse on this topic, and wanted to make sure it was in impasse due to a lack in faith rather than a flaw in my logic. Thank you for the responses, I’m sure Ill have another question for you soon enough.

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[quote]ZEB wrote:
And here is the crux of the matter. Vroom has summed it up nicely for the anti-God side. [/quote]

First, as with Steveo declaring me bound for hell, your statement is offensive to me.

You are making judgments you are inherently not qualified to make. I am not and have never been anti-God. You are an arrogant fool.

[quote]To attack any of the posters on this board and call them names only proves the point.
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Oh sanctimonious hypocrites!

Haven’t you so very recently called me an athiest and anti-God?

I believe Headhunter has recently called me a liberal-fascist and an athiest.

I believe Steveo singled me out as someone bound for hell as well as being an athiest.

I believe TerribleIvan has also been labelling me an athiest recently.

[Honestly, I can’t be bothered to go reread everything to see if I’ve explicitly been called an athiest by everyone.]

Your hypocrisy angers me. Your mockery of Christianity angers me. Your incessant assumptions of the beliefs and values of others angers me. The judgments you feel qualified to make about the dispositions of others souls angers me.

A child in adult clothing is still a child. A fool wrapped in the robes of Christianity is still a fool.

Funny isn’t it, when the principles of Christianity are applied from a non-fundamentalist to a fundamentalist, that it is not even recognized? I’ve spoken out. Characterize it any way you wish… I’ve done my job.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
I prayed PUBLICLY for Pookie. I said a ‘Hail Mary’ for the man. Read, Professor, read!

While you’re at it, assuming that people have evil intent is rather a dour view of life, is it not? If you have an automobile accident, do you come out fighting, because obviously the other person meant to hit your car?

Sad.

There is just as much moral fault in the parents who raised the kids who shot up Columbine high school as the kids themselves. The parents are at fault due to their own ignorance of what their actions or inactions helped to create.

Apparently, I am not alone in noting that your grab for attention is not leading to productive discussion. It is not heading into deeper debate or a firmer grasp of knowledge. Its degradation could have been avoided by changing your approach. You are apparently too arrogant to even consider that you made a mistake. Too bad. It seems quite apparent to many others.
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May I ask just what you’re talking about? Are you somehow making a wierd analogy with Columbine? You were mistaken about no prayer being said on the thread and you ascribed ill intent to my thread. I think you should apologize and fess up. You are not a mind reader and this is not a comic book/movie.

A blanket of bullshit does not answer any of this, Professor.

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[quote]ZEB wrote:
I have never once related being Christian to being republican or conservative.

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But one of your cohorts that you are running to protect did. Therefore, if you are now grouping everyone who disagrees with you on this issue as being “atheist” it is only fair that you get grouped with your common lowest denominator as well.

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[quote]Headhunter wrote:

May I ask just what you’re talking about? Are you somehow making a wierd analogy with Columbine? [/quote]

It doesn’t surprise me that it needs further explanation. After all, you are supposedly a teacher. The analogy refers to how people can still be responsible for misdeedss even if they claim ignorance of the result. Your thread here was taken seriously by no one, including thunderbolt who I very rarely agree with on anything at all. You are a fraud and I have considered you a troll since the first day you posted. It would appear that this sentiment is growing.

I have no respect for you or your lame attempt to pray on an internet discussion forum through written word while, as you yourself stated, you were being light hearted about the entire issue. You are lame. Consider yourself exposed.

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The one redeeming quality of this thread was Irish and FlopHat pulling a “my God is better than your God” argument.

And in that light, I say that Gilgamesh is by far the coolest and most badass God. I mean, holy shit, what a fucking awesome name. If it was in any way respectable I would change my name to Gilgamesh.

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As a point, what would a thread like this be doing in the “get a life” forum, as was supposedly done originally.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
ZEB wrote:
I have never once related being Christian to being republican or conservative.

But one of your cohorts that you are running to protect did. Therefore, if you are now grouping everyone who disagrees with you on this issue as being “atheist” it is only fair that you get grouped with your common lowest denominator as well.[/quote]

Is that why you are so angry? You have a vendetta for political reasons?