I’m seconding Pinto, the judgment issues aren’t the problem, it’s just not that entertaining for most folks.
Unless it’s my friends or people I know, I also don’t give a shit.
And hell, most people will never have an appreciation for how heavy some of that stuff is.
[quote]marlboroman wrote:
zephead4747 wrote
Marlb, did you get my PM?
nope , no PM .
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check my log
[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:
RUHLFAN wrote:
taking the squat out of powerlifting, whould be like taking the praying out of church.
I can’t tell if you’re saying if it would be a good thing or a bad thing.[/quote]
it would make no sence. it would be a bad thing.
[quote]165StateChamp wrote:
buckeye girl wrote:
I really don’t understand the push to get powerlifting commercialized, or in the olympics, or whatever. Why can’t powerlifting just be what it is? Who cares if the public recognizes it as a legitimate sport. I always thought most people got into powerlifting because they wanted to move heavy weights and go head to head against other people that lift heavy weights. I thought people did it because of what they got out of it personally, not because they wanted their face in a magazine.
TYPE2B wrote:
The first thing to do is to remove the superheavyweight competitions from being broadcasted on TV.
Have you ever even been to a PL meet? Judging from this statement, my guess is no. There aren’t SHW competitions. There are super heavies that compete, usually at the end of the last flight. And these big guys, the freaks that you want to hide, are usually the ones moving the most weight. Also, if you had actually ever been to a meet, you’d know that they’re fucking boring. Even when the meet director puts on a good show, and you know more than half of the people competing, they still suck. Once again, you’re talking out of your ass about things that you know nothing about.
True, noone wants to sit there watching a meet that drags on from 9 AM to 5 PM. That’s why sports like track and wrestling aren’t great attractions. You may tune in for one event, or to see your high school’s 135 lber wrestle, but after that, you’re not watching.
Shoot, I hate watching meets. The only fun thing about them is lifting, watching your friends, and shooting the shit. A bunch of people who have no relation to the people lifting are going to have absolutely no interest.[/quote]
Let’s face it guys. NEARLY ANY ATHLETIC EVENT IN THE WORLD IS BORING!! Heck, even MMA can sometimes be boring if all they do is man hug each other on the mat. Basketball is only fun when there’s someone who actually scores. I don’t know about you guys, but for me, watching meets and seeing people squat is alot more fun. (not that I’ve been to any meets before…)
In my humbe opinion, powerlifting should be mainstream and athletes should realize the benefits of doing the big 3 with their respective sports.
Powerlifting is Squat, Bench Press and Deadlift.
Anything less (ie push-pull or Bench only) is not a powerlifting meet.
However, I do feel that the sport would benefit as a whole if there was more definite rules from federation to federation regarding the squat. IPF lifters like Andrey Belyaev stagger the mind with 900+ squats at 90kg bodyweight AND cleary hitting full depth. Meanwhile, I am sometimes bewildered by some of the squats being passed by judges in other federations (particularly the IPA).
Before anyone accuses me on being anti-gear or a single ply lover I am not. I compete 2 ply in the BPC in Britain.
I just know what a squat should look like (Captain Kirk 1000lbs x 2 anyone?) and feel that some of the squats being passed today are making a mockery of the sport.
[quote]elliotnewman1 wrote:
Powerlifting is Squat, Bench Press and Deadlift.
Anything less (ie push-pull or Bench only) is not a powerlifting meet.
However, I do feel that the sport would benefit as a whole if there was more definite rules from federation to federation regarding the squat. IPF lifters like Andrey Belyaev stagger the mind with 900+ squats at 90kg bodyweight AND cleary hitting full depth. Meanwhile, I am sometimes bewildered by some of the squats being passed by judges in other federations (particularly the IPA).
Before anyone accuses me on being anti-gear or a single ply lover I am not. I compete 2 ply in the BPC in Britain.
I just know what a squat should look like (Captain Kirk 1000lbs x 2 anyone?) and feel that some of the squats being passed today are making a mockery of the sport.
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I would love to see a unification of rules among federations, as I feel this can help gain respect for the sport. Why do we need 50 powerlifting federations? One issue I have includes how raw powerlifting is often overlooked nowadays. This is probably just due to the fact less weight will be lifted. I hope one day raw lifting will be as popular as geared. Everyone knows the geared squat and deadlift records…but what are the raw records?
[quote]frankovic wrote:
elliotnewman1 wrote:
Powerlifting is Squat, Bench Press and Deadlift.
Anything less (ie push-pull or Bench only) is not a powerlifting meet.
However, I do feel that the sport would benefit as a whole if there was more definite rules from federation to federation regarding the squat. IPF lifters like Andrey Belyaev stagger the mind with 900+ squats at 90kg bodyweight AND cleary hitting full depth. Meanwhile, I am sometimes bewildered by some of the squats being passed by judges in other federations (particularly the IPA).
Before anyone accuses me on being anti-gear or a single ply lover I am not. I compete 2 ply in the BPC in Britain.
I just know what a squat should look like (Captain Kirk 1000lbs x 2 anyone?) and feel that some of the squats being passed today are making a mockery of the sport.
I would love to see a unification of rules among federations, as I feel this can help gain respect for the sport. Why do we need 50 powerlifting federations? One issue I have includes how raw powerlifting is often overlooked nowadays. This is probably just due to the fact less weight will be lifted. I hope one day raw lifting will be as popular as geared. Everyone knows the geared squat and deadlift records…but what are the raw records?
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I love raw lifting. But there are legitimate reasons raw is overlooked. I have a friend who lifted raw in USAPL. He set the 181 Teen deadlift record for Nebraska and qualified for Raw Nationals. However, he’s now moving onto multi-ply because he feels there’s better competitors there. And it’s true. The best lifters either compete singleply or unlimited.
Jon Kuc agreed that the squat could go and very soon, back in a 1973 Iron Man article…nice article
[quote]Modi wrote:
Why not have the judges call out your depth on the Squat?
They tell you how long to pause the Bench. They tell you when you can set the bar down on the DL. Why not have someone tell you when you hit depth and can stand back up?[/quote]
I’m surprised the brilliance of this was overlooked.
[quote]Rape Weight wrote:
Modi wrote:
Why not have the judges call out your depth on the Squat?
They tell you how long to pause the Bench. They tell you when you can set the bar down on the DL. Why not have someone tell you when you hit depth and can stand back up?
I’m surprised the brilliance of this was overlooked.[/quote]
Its not a bad idea, but at my last comp i was called for depth twice by the judge on one side, the other side and front said the depth was okay on both occasions. So there’d still be controversy.
I suppose it at least gives people a chance to keep going down until they get the call, and if they come up beforehand they know they’ll get reds, but still there will be disagreements.
I like the idea though, i tend to go as deep as i can on the first attempt to make sure i leave no doubt in their mind and for that reason its usually harder than my second attempt. Then again, i also think they should bring in safety pins for the squat, and i doubt they’ll do that. It would make judging depth easier because they wouldn’t need as many spotters…
I think the lack of a judge calling depth or a press attempt has been one of the most overlooked and under-discussed topics related to powerlifting. I am not sure why people are not making a big deal about this.
If you have a coach, partner, or just someone who can call depth and tell you when to press, you’re golden, or at least on the right track. For people that train alone and don’t have anyone to call depth, they are literally lost and sometimes cannot tell what the “correct” depth is. I know I can’t by myself when I’m trying to just break parallel, not go ATG.
[quote]Rape Weight wrote:
Modi wrote:
Why not have the judges call out your depth on the Squat?
They tell you how long to pause the Bench. They tell you when you can set the bar down on the DL. Why not have someone tell you when you hit depth and can stand back up?
I’m surprised the brilliance of this was overlooked.[/quote]
There are a great many individuals who squat VERY quickly with a good amount of rebound. Adding a depth call stipulation changes the nature of the lift for quite a few lifters.
I realize that the bench press has a press command which is similar, but you aren’t going to see a majority of lifters embracing a new rule that is going to take numerous lbs off of their totals in order to fix an issue that could be solved by more consistent judging.
There was a guy on YouTube (lost the link unfortunately) who created a simple device that attached to the lifters leg and basically beeped when the lifer was at depth (crease of hip inline with top of knee cap) on the squat.
The device made a very crude beep and was midly annoying but something along these lines would get rid of discrepances of judging in the same meet AND accross federations.
The only issue I guess would be logistics and cost. But it would be a golden solution.
[quote]elliotnewman1 wrote:
There was a guy on YouTube (lost the link unfortunately) who created a simple device that attached to the lifters leg and basically beeped when the lifer was at depth (crease of hip inline with top of knee cap) on the squat.
The device made a very crude beep and was midly annoying but something along these lines would get rid of discrepances of judging in the same meet AND accross federations.
The only issue I guess would be logistics and cost. But it would be a golden solution. [/quote]
If it did indeed turn out to be an accurate bit of kit. It looked just like an eletronic spirit level to me?
When the rules are enforced judging depth is not a problem. Mistakes will occur but that’s the same in any sport where humans have to make desicions. Be strict, be consistant, job done.
I have never had this type of discussion at any meet I have been too.
[quote]Stronghold wrote:
Rape Weight wrote:
Modi wrote:
Why not have the judges call out your depth on the Squat?
They tell you how long to pause the Bench. They tell you when you can set the bar down on the DL. Why not have someone tell you when you hit depth and can stand back up?
I’m surprised the brilliance of this was overlooked.
There are a great many individuals who squat VERY quickly with a good amount of rebound. Adding a depth call stipulation changes the nature of the lift for quite a few lifters.
I realize that the bench press has a press command which is similar, but you aren’t going to see a majority of lifters embracing a new rule that is going to take numerous lbs off of their totals in order to fix an issue that could be solved by more consistent judging.[/quote]
Hey, I’m just throwing ideas out there for discussion.
However, I bench a lot more when I decend quickly and don’t have to pause the weight on my chest. What’s the difference?
[quote]Modi wrote:
However, I bench a lot more when I decend quickly and don’t have to pause the weight on my chest. What’s the difference?[/quote]
That rule has been in place for quite a while whereas the squat reversal command has not.
I have a feeling that a squat pause rule would hurt single ply and raw guys a lot more than mutliply guys…just lookin’ out for all you non-cheaters 
[quote]Stronghold wrote:
Modi wrote:
However, I bench a lot more when I decend quickly and don’t have to pause the weight on my chest. What’s the difference?
That rule has been in place for quite a while whereas the squat reversal command has not.
I have a feeling that a squat pause rule would hurt single ply and raw guys a lot more than mutliply guys…just lookin’ out for all you non-cheaters :p[/quote]
yeah cuz theres no pause in a levithan 
go heavy deadlifters!!!