Power of Christ

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
Just so you know, “terribleivan”, there is no way a “True Christian” would be so anxious to judge people the way you have. You are looking for anything to harp on which is the only reason you asked about my supposed wife and kids. Your actions are self righteous, as if you have no fault and it is your duty to point out any faults you can in others. You see this as being “good”? You are helping people in this thread? Who have you helped?[/quote]

He has helped me.

There is a question, or a number of questions, that I had no answers for, but I seem to get somewhere now…

After having read “48 laws of power” and of course some posts on this thread I have come to the conclusion that I have to face reality:

There is a shitload of people that are just bat-shit insane and there is nothing you can do about it.

However, it is easy to manipulate those people to help you further your own agenda, their belief system is not that hard to understand or to use…

Since there are people who will play those fools to build a power base I should better be one of them, because it could be far worse than me…

Panem and circenses, nothing has or will ever change…

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
Just so you know, “terribleivan”, there is no way a “True Christian” would be so anxious to judge people the way you have. You are looking for anything to harp on which is the only reason you asked about my supposed wife and kids. Your actions are self righteous, as if you have no fault and it is your duty to point out any faults you can in others. You see this as being “good”? You are helping people in this thread? Who have you helped?[/quote]

Prof - have your words or actions done anything to win souls over to Christ? I’ll answer that for you - NO.

I have challanged you before to confront my actions with biblical proof. You have not done so because you can not do so. Either I have no biblical fault, or you are so out of tune with the Bible that you can’t find anything.

Your actions on the other hand are totally unbiblical. Rather than repent, you defend yourself by placing ill-faulted blame. That doesn’t show well for your walk with God.

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[quote]vroom wrote:
I’m feeling the power of Christ right now…

I think I had too much fiber this morning![/quote]

Note to all readers: It is pretty hard to take vroom seriously in any Christian related matter considering his views on Christ.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
terribleivan wrote:
Professor X wrote:
terribleivan wrote:
Professor X wrote:
terribleivan wrote:

20 pages, huh? Do you hang out in the sex forum often?

Hang out? I visit that forum like I visit most forums on this site. Is sex somehow off limits to “True Christians”?

Does your wife visit the sex forum with you? Do you take your kids along for the ride? Just curious.

I’m not married and I have no kids. What is your point here?

I am please to hear you are not married and don’t have kids.

Tell me prof, does the Bible say anything about the lust of the flesh? As a Christian, you should know this forward and backward.

What does me reading a sex forum have to do with lust of the flesh? Why are you so desperate to judge me? You are not God. Why do you try to be?[/quote]

Have you not read:

John 7:24

“Judge righteous judgment”

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[quote]terribleivan wrote:
Prof - have your words or actions done anything to win souls over to Christ? I’ll answer that for you - NO.[/quote]

Because you have followed me during my life? Because you know the people I come in contact with daily? It seems you need it repeated, YOU ARE NOT GOD.

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I have challanged you before to confront my actions with biblical proof. You have not done so because you can not do so. Either I have no biblical fault, or you are so out of tune with the Bible that you can’t find anything. [/quote]

Thou Shalt Not Judge. I need no more biblical proof than this.

Repent for what exactly? Not trusting in you? Again, YOU ARE NOT GOD.

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[quote]terribleivan wrote:
The actions of the individual are tell-tale signs of savlavtion. For example, you posted a little bunny-exorcist rendition to a serious thread. Your actions speak very loudly about your relationship with God (or lack thereof).

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The actions of the individual are not for you to grade and judge. You aren’t a “better Christian” simply because you were more good today than the man next to you. Acceptance of God as our saviour is what is asked of us. You somehow want to twist this as if you are somehow better than others.

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[quote]orion wrote:

After having read “48 laws of power” and of course some posts on this thread I have come to the conclusion that I have to face reality:[/quote]

Machiavelli’s The Prince is a much better take on power establishment, in my opinion. Now the question arises, what are your goals in life?

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[quote]orion wrote:

However, it is easy to manipulate those people to help you further your own agenda, their belief system is not that hard to understand or to use…

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This give us a very keen insight into the mind of an athiest. Thanks!

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[quote]terribleivan wrote: try to be?

Have you not read:

John 7:24

“Judge righteous judgment”

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The new International Version:
24Stop judging by mere appearances, and make a right judgment."

King James version:
24Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.

You didn’t quote the entire passage. This does not mean that you should walk around and judge every man’s actions and relate to it whether he is “Christian enough”. That is for God alone to decide. You are judging me by appearance. That is all you can do on an internet forum because you don’t know me personally at all. You are the one not abiding by scripture.

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[quote]terribleivan wrote:
vroom wrote:
I’m feeling the power of Christ right now…

I think I had too much fiber this morning!

Note to all readers: It is pretty hard to take vroom seriously in any Christian related matter considering his views on Christ.[/quote]

The Lord works in misterious ways…

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
terribleivan wrote:
Prof - have your words or actions done anything to win souls over to Christ? I’ll answer that for you - NO.

Because you have followed me during my life? Because you know the people I come in contact with daily? It seems you need it repeated, YOU ARE NOT GOD.
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I never said I was God. Don’t try to avoid the issues.

I have seen what you post on this thread. You are either a false Christian or a backslidden Christian. I am guessing the former.

I love it! You pick the most quoted verse in the Bible but fail to cross reference it with other scripture! Priceless!

Take the Bible in its entirity or leave it Prof. Stop picking and choosing. The fact that you say you don’t need anymore Biblical proof than one verse is humerous!

Same old deflective technique. Let me say if for you so you can understand. I never said I was God. But, I will call out a false-prophet like you.

I’m going to re-post something I posted earlier, prof. It kindof reminds me of you!

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Wow… and you call yourself a “true” Christian?

So now you have prejudged all statements I might make, because of your interpretation of my initial post in this thread?

What exactly do you think my views on Christ are? I certainly have never said anything to give you a clear indication. Perhaps your penchant for judgment has caused you and your ilk to fill in details where none were provided?

If you are looking for reasons to avoid having to think about the issues I have raised, or looking for reasons to avoid thinking about anything I might have to say that you disagree with, then you do yourself a disservice.

You are lost.

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PROF AND VROOM - PLEASE READ SLOWLY AND CAREFULLY.

True Christians accept the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ as payment for our sins. We do not add requirements to this, and we do not take requirements from this. It is this faith in Christ alone that separates the true Christian believer from the person who is a Christian in name alone.

Christianity is not synonomous with perfection. Christians and non-Christians (or false Christians) alike sin. However, true Christians differ in that they make a good faith attempt to avoid the sin nature. Why is this? Because Christ lives in the true Christian, and with Christ in you, it grieves your soul to act in such an ill-found manner.

True Christians suject themselves to a higher power - God. They believe that God has given us his word in the Bible, and they allow the Bible to govern and correct their actions. False Christians and non-Christians ignore or misrepresent the Bible.

To put this in context in the thread - I see false Christians who spew forth perversion like a fountain. I’ll focus on the acts of one individual, without naming names of course.

This individual uses constant cursing and abusive language to get his point accross. He can be seen on threads telling homosexuals that it is OK to have gay sex, making perverted jokes, and joining in the blaspheming of Jesus Christ. I have never heard this individual speak the Gospel of Salvation even once. Yet, this individual is quick to tell Christians to shut the **** up.

This individual is a fraud. Behavior like that mentioned above shows that he in no may accepts the Bible as God’s word or as his governing authority. He can not show anyone the path to God because he does not know it. He has placed a wall of pride between himself and God, and until he allows that wall to come down, he will always remain a false-Christian and a hypocrite.

I hope this distinction helps. I am no better than anyone else here. And, I am no worse. In God’s eyes, my greatest works are still but filthy rags - just like everyone else’s.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

The actions of the individual are not for you to grade and judge. You aren’t a “better Christian” simply because you were more good today than the man next to you. Acceptance of God as our saviour is what is asked of us. You somehow want to twist this as if you are somehow better than others.
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Try saying it with me prof - “Acceptance of Jesus Christ as our Saviour” - Now, say it again, but don’t let yourself be confused. There are many people who worship many different gods.

The more of your posts I read, the more I realize how deep rooted the problem is!

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
terribleivan wrote:
Professor X wrote:
terribleivan wrote:
Professor X wrote:
terribleivan wrote:

20 pages, huh? Do you hang out in the sex forum often?

Hang out? I visit that forum like I visit most forums on this site. Is sex somehow off limits to “True Christians”?

Does your wife visit the sex forum with you? Do you take your kids along for the ride? Just curious.

I’m not married and I have no kids. What is your point here?

I am please to hear you are not married and don’t have kids.

Tell me prof, does the Bible say anything about the lust of the flesh? As a Christian, you should know this forward and backward.

What does me reading a sex forum have to do with lust of the flesh? Why are you so desperate to judge me? You are not God. Why do you try to be?[/quote]

pox you are just a tad confused.

First, you don’t like terribleivan (or me either for that matter) and I think the political bias that you have against us shows through, and carries over into other threads, this one included.

If you can get beyond that for a second I think I can explain where terribleivan is coming from, with no malice in my own heart.

As a Christian brother he is simply trying to help you. You see, it’s popular for everyone, in particular non Christians to rush around saying “don’t judge me, you are not God…bla bla bla.”

But in reality what they are saying is: I want to do what I want to do and that’s that, so leave me alone in my sin. Well…that’s all well and good for non Christians. But we Christians have a higher authority to answer to.

And we actually are to judge one another. It’s just that we better not be guilty of the same sin that we are judging in others. Matthew 7:2:

“For in the same way you judge others, YOU will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.”

So…if terribleivan were also visiting sex sites he has no right to judge anyone else who is visiting those sites.

But as Paul clearly states in 1Corinthians 5:3:

"Even though I am not physically present, I am with you in spirit. And I have already passed judgement on the one who did this just as if I were present."

Certainly Paul was not and never claimed to be God.

He happened to be talking about expelling a “brother Christian” who fell into sexual immorality.

If we as Christians DO and SAY what non Christians DO and SAY what exactly separates us from them?

Yes, we all sin. Yet, we as Christians are not supposed to flaunt it but repent from it. I’m sure that you have read in the Bible: “flea from temptation.” It does not say “embrace temptaion and flaunt it.”

Is that a “holier than thou” attitude? If that’s the way it comes off then so be it.

But again, how can WE as Christians ever claim to be REAL if our thoughts, deeds and talk do not change for the better?

Can one say that he is a weightlifter if he never picks up a weight?

The answer is YES if its’ on the Internet…:slight_smile:

All kidding aside, one has to accept and then follow. While he will stumble he should not be proud of it. And those who are strong in one area are Biblically supposed to correct those who might be weak in that same area.

Thanks for reading my post.

Zeb

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[quote]DPH wrote:
steveo5801 wrote:
Therefore, when we see a person who rejects the Bible, uses 4-letter words against Bible-believing Christians, advances Evolution over the Genesis account, and thus rejects the literal truth of God’s Word – we can suspect that that person (if he or she claims to be “Christian”) has not been born-again (i.e. is a true Christian) as the Bible says.

to be saved all someone has to do is accept Jesus as their lord and savior…

ACTS (other than accepting Jesus) has NOTHING to do with whether someone is to be saved or not…

you can suspect anything you want, you’re nothing more than a feeble human who has no right to pass judgement on an individuals acts to determine if they are indeed a Christian or not…that is for Jesus, and Jesus only to decide…

your opinions mean jack shit…[/quote]

Honestly, if you had even a modicum of understanding of the Bible you would not have posted any of this.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
DPH wrote:
steveo5801 wrote:
Therefore, when we see a person who rejects the Bible, uses 4-letter words against Bible-believing Christians, advances Evolution over the Genesis account, and thus rejects the literal truth of God’s Word – we can suspect that that person (if he or she claims to be “Christian”) has not been born-again (i.e. is a true Christian) as the Bible says.

to be saved all someone has to do is accept Jesus as their lord and savior…

ACTS (other than accepting Jesus) has NOTHING to do with whether someone is to be saved or not…

you can suspect anything you want, you’re nothing more than a feeble human who has no right to pass judgement on an individuals acts to determine if they are indeed a Christian or not…that is for Jesus, and Jesus only to decide…

your opinions mean jack shit…

This is truth. You don’t get extra brownie points because you avoided a sex forum on the internet while the Christian next to you didn’t. That apparently seems to be what he believes as if he is better than people who read about sex or whatever other acts he is judging today.
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Romans 6:1

“What shall we say then? Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase? By no means! We died to sin; how can we live in it any longer?”

Again, the “worldly wisdom” that you are reading on this thread by the attackers of the faith is false!

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[quote]terribleivan wrote:
Professor X wrote:

The actions of the individual are not for you to grade and judge. You aren’t a “better Christian” simply because you were more good today than the man next to you. Acceptance of God as our saviour is what is asked of us. You somehow want to twist this as if you are somehow better than others.

Try saying it with me prof - “Acceptance of Jesus Christ as our Saviour” - Now, say it again, but don’t let yourself be confused. There are many people who worship many different gods.

The more of your posts I read, the more I realize how deep rooted the problem is![/quote]

I accepted Jesus long ago. Who are you to tell me that this is not the case? It is not your place to tell me where I stand with God. Why do you do this? You are wrong to do this.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
orion wrote:

After having read “48 laws of power” and of course some posts on this thread I have come to the conclusion that I have to face reality:

Machiavelli’s The Prince is a much better take on power establishment, in my opinion. Now the question arises, what are your goals in life?[/quote]

I think I have read everything from Machiavelli, Sun tsu, etc…

Greene just sums them up nicely…

My goals? To accumulate so much power/money/influence that I will never have reason to appeal to the mercy and understanding of people like terribleivan…

After having consolidated a power base, maybe to gain so much more power that I can prevent the worst if ignorance raises its ugly head, at least in Austria.

I wonder if not being a fanatic will be a plus or a handicap…

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[quote]ZEB wrote:

pox you are just a tad confused.
…As a Christian brother he is simply trying to help you.
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What makes you think that I need his help? What makes you think he does not need help? Who are you to tell me where I stand with God? Isn’t that for God alone to decide? You dont know me beyond this internet forum yet you are judging my relationship with God? This is the most self righteous take on scripture I have ever heard in my life. You can’t possibly be this twisted.