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[quote]vroom wrote:

If the bible were indeed the word of God, then how would it be possible for no two men on the planet to come away with the same meaning when reading it. Could God not find a way to make such meaning clear to us?
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vroom,

I have seen this question posed before on this forum (not by you).

The Bible is the “inspired word of God.”

2 Timothy 3:16

“All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.”

This is the verse that has everyone who is not a Christian in a tizzy.

So this work called the Bible is the “inspired” word of God. What does that mean?

Well, it surely does NOT mean that men have to agree like robots regarding every detail. How would that glorify the father if we all HAD to agree on every detail of the Bible?

Simply because his word is perfect does not mean that WE as men are perfect in interpreting it. And in fact if anyone spends any time in the New Testament they will see that Paul disagreed with some of his own brethern in the early church.

Go figure…humans goof up, get stubborn and also have honest differences of opinion.

I am in no way trying to evangelize. Nor do I think that I am better than you. And in fact I think in many ways YOU are better than me. I just wanted to give you MY answer to the question that I have heard over and over again.

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[quote]terribleivan wrote:
PROF AND VROOM - PLEASE READ SLOWLY AND CAREFULLY.

…
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Looks pretty similar to the last time it was posted.

Ivan, do you think your beliefs and writings are gospel or something?

When did the rank of “true” Christian arise? Is there an insignia or perhaps a little Christ on a cross keychain for people that self-qualify?

No. Read again oh judgmental idolatrist. I am mocking only you…

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
terribleivan wrote: try to be?

Have you not read:

John 7:24

“Judge righteous judgment”

The new International Version:
24Stop judging by mere appearances, and make a right judgment."

King James version:
24Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.

You didn’t quote the entire passage. This does not mean that you should walk around and judge every man’s actions and relate to it whether he is “Christian enough”. That is for God alone to decide. You are judging me by appearance. That is all you can do on an internet forum because you don’t know me personally at all. You are the one not abiding by scripture.[/quote]

That is great. I was going to quote the full verse, but I worried I might confuse you. Let’s examine it in the context of you online at T-Nation:

“Judge not according to the appearance…” -

Your appearance at T-Nation - vulgar, obscene, perverse, morally liberal.

You frequent the sex forums and defend it as justifiable for Christians to play with sex. Sex is great! I love it with my wife. You, on the otherhand, don’t care if it’s man and woman, woman and woman, man and man, woman man and man and man, etc…

Of course, this is just the appearance. However, the Bible tells us that it should stay with Man and wife. The appearance is that you don’t care what God’s word says - you’ll do what you want to do.

You use vulgarity constantly when you write. I’m not talking occassional usage. I’m talking all the time! Is that fitting of a Christian? I think not…but go ahead and defend it - after all, it is so much easier than admiting you are wrong!

I could go on, but I don’t want to overplay it. Let’s look at the next part of the verse.

“…but judge righteous judgement.”

righteous = In accordance with virtue or morality

I look for virture in your posts, and I haven’t found any. I look for morality in your posts and I haven’t found any. Absent of any virtue or morality on your part, I have judged you correctly. You are a fraud.

One more verse for you to chew on prof - Matthew 4:4 -

“But he (Jesus) answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by EVERY word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.”

Every word, prof - you fall so short it is pathetic.

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[quote]vroom wrote:
Note to all readers: It is pretty hard to take vroom seriously in any Christian related matter considering his views on Christ.

Wow… and you call yourself a “true” Christian?

So now you have prejudged all statements I might make, because of your interpretation of my initial post in this thread?

What exactly do you think my views on Christ are? I certainly have never said anything to give you a clear indication. Perhaps your penchant for judgment has caused you and your ilk to fill in details where none were provided?

If you are looking for reasons to avoid having to think about the issues I have raised, or looking for reasons to avoid thinking about anything I might have to say that you disagree with, then you do yourself a disservice.

You are lost.[/quote]

“You are lost” - I love it! Funniest stuff ever. Have you done stand-up?

Tell us your views? Are you a picker and a chooser of Bible truth like the prof?

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[quote]terribleivan wrote:
orion wrote:

However, it is easy to manipulate those people to help you further your own agenda, their belief system is not that hard to understand or to use…

This give us a very keen insight into the mind of an athiest. Thanks![/quote]

You are getting played all the time…

The most powerful nation on earth and what is discussed in the elections?

Homosexual marriage, flag burning, abortion, maybe school prayers…

You think Bush really believes ID should be taught in schools? Even he is not that stupid.

If I told you what you wanted to hear, you?d be working for my election like crazy, raising money, attending rallies…

You think I am pissing in your face? No, the people at the top or behind the Republican party do.

But, if that helps, maybe they do believe in Jesus and there are similar issues on the left…

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
terribleivan wrote:
Professor X wrote:

The actions of the individual are not for you to grade and judge. You aren’t a “better Christian” simply because you were more good today than the man next to you. Acceptance of God as our saviour is what is asked of us. You somehow want to twist this as if you are somehow better than others.

Try saying it with me prof - “Acceptance of Jesus Christ as our Saviour” - Now, say it again, but don’t let yourself be confused. There are many people who worship many different gods.

The more of your posts I read, the more I realize how deep rooted the problem is!

I accepted Jesus long ago. Who are you to tell me that this is not the case? It is not your place to tell me where I stand with God. Why do you do this? You are wrong to do this.[/quote]

IF you have accepted Jesus, THEN you are horribly backslidden, and it is time to repent.

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[quote]orion wrote:
terribleivan wrote:
orion wrote:

However, it is easy to manipulate those people to help you further your own agenda, their belief system is not that hard to understand or to use…

This give us a very keen insight into the mind of an athiest. Thanks!

You are getting played all the time…

The most powerful nation on earth on what is discussed in the election?

Homosexual marriage, flag burning, abortion, maybe school prayers…

You think Bush really believes ID should be taught in schools? Even he is not that stupid.

If I told you what you wanted to hear, you?d be working for my election like crazy, raising money, attending rallies…

You think I am pissing in your face? No, the people at the top or behind the Republican party does.

But, if that helps, maybe they do believe in Jesus and there are similar issues on the left too…[/quote]

More keen athiestic insight. Thanks!

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[quote]terribleivan wrote:
The actions of the individual are tell-tale signs of savlavtion. For example, you posted a little bunny-exorcist rendition to a serious thread. Your actions speak very loudly about your relationship with God (or lack thereof).
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Christians can argue about what is the best way to lead others to Jesus…we can argue and have disagreements about the bible, politics, human-rights, science, sports, or even the correct color of sock to wear…

we can make each other piping-hot mad with our different ways of looking at issues…

but for you to claim that someone is not a ‘true’ Christian because their views differ from yours shows top-notch arrogance on your part…

YOU are not THE judge of who is to be saved or not!

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[quote]ZEB wrote:
DPH wrote:
steveo5801 wrote:
Therefore, when we see a person who rejects the Bible, uses 4-letter words against Bible-believing Christians, advances Evolution over the Genesis account, and thus rejects the literal truth of God’s Word – we can suspect that that person (if he or she claims to be “Christian”) has not been born-again (i.e. is a true Christian) as the Bible says.

to be saved all someone has to do is accept Jesus as their lord and savior…

ACTS (other than accepting Jesus) has NOTHING to do with whether someone is to be saved or not…

you can suspect anything you want, you’re nothing more than a feeble human who has no right to pass judgement on an individuals acts to determine if they are indeed a Christian or not…that is for Jesus, and Jesus only to decide…

your opinions mean jack shit…

Honestly, if you had even a modicum of understanding of the Bible you would not have posted any of this.[/quote]

ZEB,

I like you and think you’ve made many great contributions to threads on this site…

I know we agree on numerous issues and don’t see eye to eye on many others…

no big deal…

but, it is not your decision, steveo’s, terribleivan’s, or anyone’s but Jesus to decide whether or not I am to be saved…

don’t claim otherwise…

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[quote]2 Timothy 3:16

“All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.” [/quote]

Zeb,

I don’t see any disagreement between my stance and that of Timothy.

I have stated, every time I mention my feelings on it, that it is a map, it offers wisdom, it provides instructions on how to live. It was written by WITNESSES of the era, what else should it be?

However, where I seem to drift away from most people, is that because it is a work of man, then it must be understood that it is up to us to use our wisdom to attempt proper interpretation.

In this light, the fact that my interpretation differs from others does not mean that I am wrong, or false. Who is it that has made it possible for another to decide this?

While there are many points of agreement, and some things are indeed fairly clear, much of the rest conflicts and remains quite murky.

I will say, so you know, that I don’t mind discussion on the topic, especially when it isn’t simply amounting to a game of holier than thou.

I sincerely doubt the purpose of the original posts was anything other than self-aggrandizement. Maybe I’m wrong. It’s no big deal either way.

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[quote]terribleivan wrote:

More keen athiestic insight. Thanks!
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Well yes, imagine Sun Tsu was a taoist and oh my God, oh my God, most prophets were jews…

If a plane flies, it flies, no matter if an atheist built it or not…

As I said, people like you are simply praying (literally !!!) to be taken advantage of…

Running around with you umbilical cord in your hand, just dying to plug it into someone…

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[quote]terribleivan wrote:

Your appearance at T-Nation - vulgar, obscene, perverse, morally liberal. [/quote]

That scripture says judge NOT by appearance. Why are you judging me by your own invalid perception?

[quote]
You frequent the sex forums and defend it as justifiable for Christians to play with sex. Sex is great! I love it with my wife. You, on the otherhand, don’t care if it’s man and woman, woman and woman, man and man, woman man and man and man, etc… [/quote]

Excuse me? You don’t even know where I stand on these issues? I understand homosexuality to not be natural but it is not for me to tell others how they should choose to live. It is not for me to decide for them and it is not for me to care for them less based on their decisions.

[quote]
Of course, this is just the appearance. However, the Bible tells us that it should stay with Man and wife. The appearance is that you don’t care what God’s word says - you’ll do what you want to do.[/quote]

What are you talking about? I am not married. I am also not gay.

[quote]
You use vulgarity constantly when you write. I’m not talking occassional usage. I’m talking all the time! Is that fitting of a Christian? I think not…but go ahead and defend it - after all, it is so much easier than admiting you are wrong![/quote]

Wrong about what? What am I wrong about by writing a certain way? Do you think you will get into heaven before me based on how I write on this forum? If you do, then you are attempting to take the place of God. It is not for you to decide who is worthy of God’s grace.

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I look for virture in your posts, and I haven’t found any. I look for morality in your posts and I haven’t found any. Absent of any virtue or morality on your part, I have judged you correctly. You are a fraud.[/quote]

I truly couldn’t care less what you think. you have shown yourself to be devoid of any true concept of Christianity. You use it like a tool to place yourself above others. That is not what God is here for.

[quote]
One more verse for you to chew on prof - Matthew 4:4 -

“But he (Jesus) answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by EVERY word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.”

Every word, prof - you fall so short it is pathetic.[/quote]

Every man falls short. You are no better than any other. It is sad that you think you are.

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[quote]terribleivan wrote:

IF you have accepted Jesus, THEN you are horribly backslidden, and it is time to repent.[/quote]

You are not God. It is not for you to decide who has turned away from God and the fact that you think this power resides in you to determine these things shows who is truly false around here.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
terribleivan wrote:

IF you have accepted Jesus, THEN you are horribly backslidden, and it is time to repent.

You are not God. It is not for you to decide who has turned away from God and the fact that you think this power resides in you to determine these things shows who is truly false around here.[/quote]

Wow. You are brilliant. I am not God. I have never heard that from you before :wink:

I have judged you by your words and actions. The fact that you refuse to accept any blame for your godless behavior is not my fault. And, I still continue to judge righteous judgement. Unfortunately, your posts have not righteousness to put a postive spin on.

Keep telling yourself that your actions are OK prof. Maybe it’ll make it come true!

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

Every man falls short. You are no better than any other. It is sad that you think you are.[/quote]

You have apparently not read my previous posts. I never said I was better than anyone else. Please go back through this thread and read closer. You are missing many valuable things.

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[quote]terribleivan wrote:
harris447 wrote:

So, students, we see that Steve has shown himself to be a self-righteous schmuck three times in four words.

A harris-quaility post with a harris-quality ending. [/quote]

Yet another example of a tautology: a phrase that has no meaning whatsoever.

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[quote]vroom wrote:
2 Timothy 3:16

“All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.”

Zeb,

I don’t see any disagreement between my stance and that of Timothy.
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Timothy didn’t write Timothy II. Your biblical ignorance is coming through. And your stance seems to be quite different.

Yes, Christians would disagree. We would tell you that it is the work of God done through the hands of man.

You have denied the death, burial and resurection of Jesus, have you not? I think a Christian would tell you that your “interpretation” is wrong. But, perhaps you could get the prof to agree with you :slight_smile:

The origninal post was very pure in its intention and on the face. The posts you have given have been far less pure.

Why do I even respond to you, I wonder.

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[quote]DPH wrote:
ZEB wrote:
DPH wrote:
steveo5801 wrote:
Therefore, when we see a person who rejects the Bible, uses 4-letter words against Bible-believing Christians, advances Evolution over the Genesis account, and thus rejects the literal truth of God’s Word – we can suspect that that person (if he or she claims to be “Christian”) has not been born-again (i.e. is a true Christian) as the Bible says.

to be saved all someone has to do is accept Jesus as their lord and savior…

ACTS (other than accepting Jesus) has NOTHING to do with whether someone is to be saved or not…

you can suspect anything you want, you’re nothing more than a feeble human who has no right to pass judgement on an individuals acts to determine if they are indeed a Christian or not…that is for Jesus, and Jesus only to decide…

your opinions mean jack shit…

Honestly, if you had even a modicum of understanding of the Bible you would not have posted any of this.

ZEB,

I like you and think you’ve made many great contributions to threads on this site…

I know we agree on numerous issues and don’t see eye to eye on many others…

no big deal…

but, it is not your decision, steveo’s, terribleivan’s, or anyone’s but Jesus to decide whether or not I am to be saved…

don’t claim otherwise…[/quote]

Nobody claimed anything otherwise. It is good to finally hear someone else accept that Jesus is the judge of our souls.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
ZEB wrote:

pox you are just a tad confused.
…As a Christian brother he is simply trying to help you.

What makes you think that I need his help? What makes you think he does not need help? Who are you to tell me where I stand with God? Isn’t that for God alone to decide? You dont know me beyond this internet forum yet you are judging my relationship with God? This is the most self righteous take on scripture I have ever heard in my life. You can’t possibly be this twisted.[/quote]

I am not judging your relationship with God.

What terribleivan was reacting to was your claim (words from your own mouth) that you visit some sort of sex site. In that vain he was attempting to correct you based upon the Bible as I have already pointed out.

You can take that correction and you can do whatever you like with it. It was only my desire to explain to you WHY he said what he said.

Your constant attack mode is rather tiring but then you have always done that…

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[quote]orion wrote:
terribleivan wrote:
orion wrote:

However, it is easy to manipulate those people to help you further your own agenda, their belief system is not that hard to understand or to use…

This give us a very keen insight into the mind of an athiest. Thanks!

You are getting played all the time…

The most powerful nation on earth and what is discussed in the elections?

Homosexual marriage, flag burning, abortion, maybe school prayers…

You think Bush really believes ID should be taught in schools? Even he is not that stupid.

If I told you what you wanted to hear, you?d be working for my election like crazy, raising money, attending rallies…

You think I am pissing in your face? No, the people at the top or behind the Republican party do.

But, if that helps, maybe they do believe in Jesus and there are similar issues on the left…[/quote]

Hey, how are things in Austria currently?