[quote]Professor X wrote:
terribleivan wrote:
20 pages, huh? Do you hang out in the sex forum often?
Hang out? I visit that forum like I visit most forums on this site. Is sex somehow off limits to “True Christians”?[/quote]
Does your wife visit the sex forum with you? Do you take your kids along for the ride? Just curious.
[quote]terribleivan wrote:
To put this in context in the thread - I see false Christians who spew forth perversion like a fountain. I’ll focus on the acts of one individual, without naming names of course.
This individual uses constant cursing and abusive language to get his point accross. He can be seen on threads telling homosexuals that it is OK to have gay sex, making perverted jokes, and joining in the blaspheming of Jesus Christ. I have never heard this individual speak the Gospel of Salvation even once. Yet, this individual is quick to tell Christians to shut the **** up.
This individual is a fraud. Behavior like that mentioned above shows that he in no may accepts the Bible as God’s word or as his governing authority. He can not show anyone the path to God because he does not know it. He has placed a wall of pride between himself and God, and until he allows that wall to come down, he will always remain a false-Christian and a hypocrite.
I hope this distinction helps. I am no better than anyone else here. And, I am no worse. In God’s eyes, my greatest works are still but filthy rags - just like everyone else’s.
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Heh, even without names, I know I am most vociferous in this regard, so I suspect it could be me… so I’ll come back for a response (but I really am trying to get the hell out of these crappy threads).
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So, there are NO OTHER REQUIREMENTS right?
II
I see a lot of self-proclaimed true Christians exhibiting far to much pride, far too much judgment and insulting those that do not share their beliefs.
Is it fair for me to assume then that these people are not true Christians?
Guess what, faith in Christ does not equate to faith that the Bible is a perfect rendition (especially since it was written by men) of God’s will.
Wait, what happened to only one requirement? Either there is only one requirement or there are more. Are the additional requirements false requirements put in place by the likes of yourself to distinguish “true” Christians from other Christians?
Again, I see self-aggrandization and pride being used to judge oneself as more pious than another because of external behaviors. Do so at your own peril…
There is either ONE requirement or there are OTHER requirements. It sounds like you can’t make up your mind which it is.
It is very easy to accept the ONE requirement without wanting to put up with the self-righteous prattle of unthinking fools such as yourself who attempt to judge and coerce the behavior of others based on your own beliefs.
[quote]terribleivan wrote:
Professor X wrote:
terribleivan wrote:
20 pages, huh? Do you hang out in the sex forum often?
Hang out? I visit that forum like I visit most forums on this site. Is sex somehow off limits to “True Christians”?
Does your wife visit the sex forum with you? Do you take your kids along for the ride? Just curious.[/quote]
I’m not married and I have no kids. What is your point here?
I have to say, “terribleivan”, for a “True Christian” you sure are one elitist, judgemental and often wrong individual. You jump to so many conclusions it is almost dizzying to watch.
When will you respond to thunderbolt’s posts? He is saying the same thing I am only in his own words.
Hey there pox, speaking of unresolved issues I have a couple for you.
Remember when I asked this?
"Looking at the posters WHO FIRST launched the attacks against this thread I don’t see a Christian among them!
I see either atheists or agnositcs.
If I’m wrong please point it out."
Was I wrong on this? While you have stated that you are a Christian, you were not one of the first few to attack the original poster.
Also one more unresolved point:
“If any one of us were to jump onto a “Tattoo” or “motorcycle” thread and start attacking we would not be very popular with the original poster for messing up his thread.”
Yet, it seems perfectly fine (in your eyes) for you and a handful of atheists and agostics to attack terribleivans original post. It seems that someone beginning a thread on Christian inspiration relative to tragedy in a persons life was just to much for you guys to handle.
Let me know your thoughts on this pox as I’m sure you have a perfectly good explanation for your attempts at censoring this harmless (and potentially helpful) post by terribleivan.
[quote]vroom wrote:
terribleivan wrote:
To put this in context in the thread - I see false Christians who spew forth perversion like a fountain. I’ll focus on the acts of one individual, without naming names of course.
This individual uses constant cursing and abusive language to get his point accross. He can be seen on threads telling homosexuals that it is OK to have gay sex, making perverted jokes, and joining in the blaspheming of Jesus Christ. I have never heard this individual speak the Gospel of Salvation even once. Yet, this individual is quick to tell Christians to shut the **** up.
This individual is a fraud. Behavior like that mentioned above shows that he in no may accepts the Bible as God’s word or as his governing authority. He can not show anyone the path to God because he does not know it. He has placed a wall of pride between himself and God, and until he allows that wall to come down, he will always remain a false-Christian and a hypocrite.
I hope this distinction helps. I am no better than anyone else here. And, I am no worse. In God’s eyes, my greatest works are still but filthy rags - just like everyone else’s.
Heh, even without names, I know I am most vociferous in this regard, so I suspect it could be me…[/quote]
Psst. vroom…I don’t think he was talking about you.
[quote]vroom wrote:
terribleivan wrote:
To put this in context in the thread - I see false Christians who spew forth perversion like a fountain. I’ll focus on the acts of one individual, without naming names of course.
This individual uses constant cursing and abusive language to get his point accross. He can be seen on threads telling homosexuals that it is OK to have gay sex, making perverted jokes, and joining in the blaspheming of Jesus Christ. I have never heard this individual speak the Gospel of Salvation even once. Yet, this individual is quick to tell Christians to shut the **** up.
This individual is a fraud. Behavior like that mentioned above shows that he in no may accepts the Bible as God’s word or as his governing authority. He can not show anyone the path to God because he does not know it. He has placed a wall of pride between himself and God, and until he allows that wall to come down, he will always remain a false-Christian and a hypocrite.
I hope this distinction helps. I am no better than anyone else here. And, I am no worse. In God’s eyes, my greatest works are still but filthy rags - just like everyone else’s.
Heh, even without names, I know I am most vociferous in this regard, so I suspect it could be me… so I’ll come back for a response (but I really am trying to get the hell out of these crappy threads).
I
True Christians accept the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ as payment for our sins. We do not add requirements to this, and we do not take requirements from this.
So, there are NO OTHER REQUIREMENTS right?
II
Christianity is not synonomous with perfection. Christians and non-Christians (or false Christians) alike sin. However, true Christians differ in that they make a good faith attempt to avoid the sin nature. Why is this? Because Christ lives in the true Christian, and with Christ in you, it grieves your soul to act in such an ill-found manner.
I see a lot of self-proclaimed true Christians exhibiting far to much pride, far too much judgment and insulting those that do not share their beliefs.
Is it fair for me to assume then that these people are not true Christians?
Guess what, faith in Christ does not equate to faith that the Bible is a perfect rendition (especially since it was written by men) of God’s will.
This individual is a fraud. Behavior like that mentioned above shows that he in no may accepts the Bible as God’s word or as his governing authority.
Wait, what happened to only one requirement? Either there is only one requirement or there are more. Are the additional requirements false requirements put in place by the likes of yourself to distinguish “true” Christians from other Christians?
Again, I see self-aggrandization and pride being used to judge oneself as more pious than another because of external behaviors. Do so at your own peril…
There is either ONE requirement or there are OTHER requirements. It sounds like you can’t make up your mind which it is.
It is very easy to accept the ONE requirement without wanting to put up with the self-righteous prattle of unthinking fools such as yourself who attempt to judge and coerce the behavior of others based on your own beliefs.[/quote]
You missed the point yet again.
One requirement with lots of proof. It’s pretty hard to be one with Christ without the proof.
Let’s review the requirement:
Accept the death, burial, and resurection of Jesus Christ as payment for all my sins - past, present and future. If you do this, Christ comes to live in you and you become a new creature (spiritually).
The proof follows. Without the proof, your acceptance is likly false.
Hope this helps 
[quote]Professor X wrote:
terribleivan wrote:
Professor X wrote:
terribleivan wrote:
20 pages, huh? Do you hang out in the sex forum often?
Hang out? I visit that forum like I visit most forums on this site. Is sex somehow off limits to “True Christians”?
Does your wife visit the sex forum with you? Do you take your kids along for the ride? Just curious.
I’m not married and I have no kids. What is your point here?[/quote]
I am please to hear you are not married and don’t have kids.
Tell me prof, does the Bible say anything about the lust of the flesh? As a Christian, you should know this forward and backward.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
I have to say, “terribleivan”, for a “True Christian” you sure are one elitist, judgemental and often wrong individual. You jump to so many conclusions it is almost dizzying to watch.
When will you respond to thunderbolt’s posts? He is saying the same thing I am only in his own words.
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I am pretty sure I have responded to all of thunderbolt’s posts. Go back and read them.
If I have done something unbiblical, please provide biblical evidence of such. Unlike false Christians, I am pleased to learn from my mistakes.
What a fool you are.
How many ways can you devise to feel better about yourself, your degree of piety, by looking for flaws in the behavior of others.
Is that what it means to be a “true” Christian?
You are lost.
Your question shows how desperate you are to villify people that don’t believe exactly the same thing you do. Your question implies a married couple should not be visiting the sex forum.
I am sure all of your many obvious failings must really weigh on your soul ivan, but to try to make yourself feel better by finding failings in others is the wrong road.
There is one requirement, by your own words, the rest is just a way to allow you to feel pride for your devoutness.
You are lost.
LOL. Thanks Zeb, I’ll go away again!
[quote]vroom wrote:
Does your wife visit the sex forum with you?
What a fool you are.
How many ways can you devise to feel better about yourself, your degree of piety, by looking for flaws in the behavior of others.
Is that what it means to be a “true” Christian?
You are lost.
Your question shows how desperate you are to villify people that don’t believe exactly the same thing you do. Your question implies a married couple should not be visiting the sex forum.
I am sure all of your many obvious failings must really weigh on your soul ivan, but to try to make yourself feel better by finding failings in others is the wrong road.
There is one requirement, by your own words, the rest is just a way to allow you to feel pride for your devoutness.
You are lost.[/quote]
“You are lost” LOL - that is very funny coming from you. Thanks for making me smile!
I don’t think a Christian should be worried about discussing his behavior. After all, this Christian opened the door when he said he visits the sex forum.
Did you fail to read what I wrote after that 1 requirement yet again? I thought so.
[quote]You missed the point yet again.
One requirement with lots of proof. It’s pretty hard to be one with Christ without the proof.
Let’s review the requirement:
Accept the death, burial, and resurection of Jesus Christ as payment for all my sins - past, present and future. If you do this, Christ comes to live in you and you become a new creature (spiritually).
The proof follows. Without the proof, your acceptance is likly false.
Hope this helps
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I hate to inform you of this, but the proof is certainly lacking from any and all of the self-proclaimed “true” Christians on this board.
Thanks, that does help a lot!
I think what you are missing, is that whether or not the acceptance occurs, we are still human in this lifetime. We still have our emotions and feelings and failings.
We still fall down.
Your “proof” is just a way to look down your nose at others who’s behavior you do not like.
You are lost.
I hope this helps you… I truly do.
[quote]vroom wrote:
You missed the point yet again.
One requirement with lots of proof. It’s pretty hard to be one with Christ without the proof.
Let’s review the requirement:
Accept the death, burial, and resurection of Jesus Christ as payment for all my sins - past, present and future. If you do this, Christ comes to live in you and you become a new creature (spiritually).
The proof follows. Without the proof, your acceptance is likly false.
Hope this helps
I hate to inform you of this, but the proof is certainly lacking from any and all of the self-proclaimed “true” Christians on this board.
Thanks, that does help a lot!
I think what you are missing, is that whether or not the acceptance occurs, we are still human in this lifetime. We still have our emotions and feelings and failings.
We still fall down.
Your “proof” is just a way to look down your nose at others who’s behavior you do not like.
You are lost.
I hope this helps you… I truly do.[/quote]
Please reread my posts. I already covered this.
[quote]terribleivan wrote:
Professor X wrote:
terribleivan wrote:
Professor X wrote:
terribleivan wrote:
20 pages, huh? Do you hang out in the sex forum often?
Hang out? I visit that forum like I visit most forums on this site. Is sex somehow off limits to “True Christians”?
Does your wife visit the sex forum with you? Do you take your kids along for the ride? Just curious.
I’m not married and I have no kids. What is your point here?
I am please to hear you are not married and don’t have kids.
Tell me prof, does the Bible say anything about the lust of the flesh? As a Christian, you should know this forward and backward.[/quote]
What does me reading a sex forum have to do with lust of the flesh? Why are you so desperate to judge me? You are not God. Why do you try to be?
[quote]steveo5801 wrote:
Therefore, when we see a person who rejects the Bible, uses 4-letter words against Bible-believing Christians, advances Evolution over the Genesis account, and thus rejects the literal truth of God’s Word – we can suspect that that person (if he or she claims to be “Christian”) has not been born-again (i.e. is a true Christian) as the Bible says.
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to be saved all someone has to do is accept Jesus as their lord and savior…
ACTS (other than accepting Jesus) has NOTHING to do with whether someone is to be saved or not…
you can suspect anything you want, you’re nothing more than a feeble human who has no right to pass judgement on an individuals acts to determine if they are indeed a Christian or not…that is for Jesus, and Jesus only to decide…
your opinions mean jack shit…
Just so you know, “terribleivan”, there is no way a “True Christian” would be so anxious to judge people the way you have. You are looking for anything to harp on which is the only reason you asked about my supposed wife and kids. Your actions are self righteous, as if you have no fault and it is your duty to point out any faults you can in others. You see this as being “good”? You are helping people in this thread? Who have you helped?
[quote]DPH wrote:
steveo5801 wrote:
Therefore, when we see a person who rejects the Bible, uses 4-letter words against Bible-believing Christians, advances Evolution over the Genesis account, and thus rejects the literal truth of God’s Word – we can suspect that that person (if he or she claims to be “Christian”) has not been born-again (i.e. is a true Christian) as the Bible says.
to be saved all someone has to do is accept Jesus as their lord and savior…
ACTS (other than accepting Jesus) has NOTHING to do with whether someone is to be saved or not…
you can suspect anything you want, you’re nothing more than a feeble human who has no right to pass judgement on an individuals acts to determine if they are indeed a Christian or not…that is for Jesus, and Jesus only to decide…
your opinions mean jack shit…[/quote]
This is truth. You don’t get extra brownie points because you avoided a sex forum on the internet while the Christian next to you didn’t. That apparently seems to be what he believes as if he is better than people who read about sex or whatever other acts he is judging today.
What you miss is that your “proof” is lacking in everyone on these forums who claims to be a “true” Christian.
That which you apply to others applies equally well to yourself.
As soon as you relax the requirement that the bible be more than the words of men, attempting to codify what they WITNESSED, then things become much simpler.
Again, I have to point out, to make the bible, a mere object, representative of God, is idolatry (and is prohibited by the bible itself). The fact it is written words instead of a statue or an image is immaterial.
You exhibit devotion to a mere thing, a creation of men.
You are lost.
Since the bible cannot be the “word of God” without falling subject to idolatry by being a revered object, it must instead have been compiled by men and meant for us to use as a map. It is a guide to how we should conduct ourselves.
Anyway, a question…
If the bible were indeed the word of God, then how would it be possible for no two men on the planet to come away with the same meaning when reading it. Could God not find a way to make such meaning clear to us?
[quote]DPH wrote:
steveo5801 wrote:
Therefore, when we see a person who rejects the Bible, uses 4-letter words against Bible-believing Christians, account, and thus rejects the literal truth of God’s Word – we can suspect that that person (if he or she claims to be “Christian”) has not been born-again (i.e. is a true Christian) as the advances Evolution over the Genesis Bible says.
to be saved all someone has to do is accept Jesus as their lord and savior…
ACTS (other than accepting Jesus) has NOTHING to do with whether someone is to be saved or not…
you can suspect anything you want, you’re nothing more than a feeble human who has no right to pass judgement on an individuals acts to determine if they are indeed a Christian or not…that is for Jesus, and Jesus only to decide…
your opinions mean jack shit…[/quote]
The actions of the individual are tell-tale signs of savlavtion. For example, you posted a little bunny-exorcist rendition to a serious thread. Your actions speak very loudly about your relationship with God (or lack thereof).