Power of Christ

[quote]harris447 wrote:
“Clearly, Christianity teaches that the most important thing in life is to be ready for death, and that is only by having a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. That is what the Bible says, so if you are a Christian, you should have no problem agreeing with this. Do you?”

I have a problem with this, and if you had any intelligence or desire to think for yourself, you would to.

The most important thing is to be ready for death? Not to live according to moral codes, or to make the world a better place than you found it, or to alleviate some of the suffering of your fellow man? Just to get ready for YOUR death?

What a selfish, narcissistic, and short-sighted mis-interpretation of the bible.
In your words, a Muslim who adopted and raised unwanted children or a Jew who practiced medicine among the poor or an atheist who ran into burning buildings day in and out to rescure people would all be consigned to Hell? They had all wasted their lives because their number one concern wan’t to “prepare for death?”

If you truly believe that, than I pity you more than I already do.

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Harris, would you really want to be in a heaven like that anyway?

I sure as shit wouldn’t.

[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
terribleivan wrote:

Thunderbolt - My intention with this thread was to show that Christians have great strength in times of trouble because of Christ. No hidden agenda. No banner waving. Nothing fraudulent or deceptive.

Here is what you said in another thread:

"Hey Steveo -

This is a fantastic idea for a post! Everytime a soul is won to God, the angels in heaven rejoice! And so do I!

Brother in Christ - By His blood alone!"

(responding to the Post Here to Accept Jesus Christ thread)

http://www.T-Nation.com/readTopic.do?id=934564&pageNo=5

I merely wanted to show that things that decimate most people don’t decimate Christians because Christians (true Christians) are strong in God. Was the timing really that poor? In the face of constant Christian bashing, I don’t think so.

If you are watching the Super Bowl with your friends, and the game is close, and when it hits the two minutes mark, do you shut off the TV, stand up in front of the room, and begin delivering Scripture to your pals?

No? It’s because of context.

If you see a guy in the middle of his workout at a gym with his headphones on, do you go tap him on the head to start delivering tales of conversion?

No? It’s because of context.

You know - or should know - that context can determine that certain kinds of conversations have ‘right time, right place’ parameters in place. I offer that if you truly want to get people to think constructively about Christianity - truly - this thread was neither the right time nor the right place.

You don’t see that because you measure yourself through effort alone - you could be maing people less interested in Christianity than they ever have been, but you don’t care - your only goal is personal, i.e., to feel all warm and fuzzy that you tried.

That is why I think they way I do - you don’t have to be ‘embarrassed’ or ‘ashamed’ of your religion to have a clue when to bring it up and when not to based on context. Moving along…

Unfortunately, the strength of Christians didn’t show through. Instead, the hatred of atheists is what the readers have seen. Is that bad? Perhaps, and perhaps not.

Sure it did, and stop the arrogant posturing. I am a Christian and I think your thread was a bad idea. Does that disqualify me?

If any reader that see the title of this thread and pulls it up to see the power of Christ, the result may be surprising. The big question is, does it glorify God? I suggest it does. The immediate contributions from the atheists show that people void of God have no positive or constructive power - they only have hatred and perversion.

Trust me, most people antagonistic toward religion hide behind Hysteria, Hperbole, and Sarcasm - and I am no fan of it. However, fear of their responses has nothing to do with why I think this a bad thread.

Too bad the real Christians were not able to keep the original intention of the thread alive.

Exactly what is a ‘real Christian’? I find your country-club-Christianity off-putting, and I suspect all those wayward souls you hope to connect with on T-Nation do too.[/quote]

As a matter of being in context, I was under the impression that these threads stand alone. I didn’t realize this thread was like the superbowl or the gym. I thought the title “Power of Christ” was pretty obvious. I still think it was obvious.

Why are you posting backhanded insults like “country-club-Christianity”? See my previous post detailing true Christians and false Christians. Anyone can call themselves a Christian, but to live the Christian life - well, that is a differnt matter.

I don’t recall you being forced to particpate in this thread - same goes for everyone else. That is where free will comes in. This is not a gathering of chums watching the superbowl. It, in context, is a thread about the “Power of Christ” that has been overrun by hateful people.

BTW - what have I done that led to that rude little “country-club Christian” comment? Was it the part about angels rejoicing in heaven? Again, that is biblical.

[quote]harris447 wrote:
“Clearly, Christianity teaches that the most important thing in life is to be ready for death, and that is only by having a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. That is what the Bible says, so if you are a Christian, you should have no problem agreeing with this. Do you?”

I have a problem with this, and if you had any intelligence or desire to think for yourself, you would to.

The most important thing is to be ready for death? Not to live according to moral codes, or to make the world a better place than you found it, or to alleviate some of the suffering of your fellow man? Just to get ready for YOUR death?

What a selfish, narcissistic, and short-sighted mis-interpretation of the bible.
In your words, a Muslim who adopted and raised unwanted children or a Jew who practiced medicine among the poor or an atheist who ran into burning buildings day in and out to rescure people would all be consigned to Hell? They had all wasted their lives because their number one concern wan’t to “prepare for death?”

If you truly believe that, than I pity you more than I already do.

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How many good deads are good enought to warrant God’s favor?

[quote]terribleivan wrote:

Exactly what is a ‘real Christian’? I find your country-club-Christianity off-putting, and I suspect all those wayward souls you hope to connect with on T-Nation do too.


Why are you posting backhanded insults like “country-club-Christianity”? See my previous post detailing true Christians and false Christians. Anyone can call themselves a Christian, but to live the Christian life - well, that is a differnt matter.[/quote]

So let’s see - you said the ‘real’ Christians could not keep up the real intention of the thread? So who are they? By last count, I see two groups here - those claiming to be Christians and those who made it clear they are not.

You see three groups - non-Christians, ‘real’ Christians, and ‘fake’ Christians who claim to be Christians but aren’t really.

So who is in this last group? I am fascinated to know.

Yes, I voluntarily chimed in.

[quote]BTW - what have I done that led to that rude little “country-club Christian” comment? Was it the part about angels rejoicing in heaven? Again, that is biblical.
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Nope, and to be honest, it wasn’t all that backhanded. It was a response to the self-righteousness of your taxonomy of ‘real’ Christians.

Part of this pithy, rank judgmentalism reminds of the first rule I ever encountered regarding Christianity: there is a God, and you are not Him.

[quote]vroom wrote:
I suggest that your “bullcrap meter” is broken.

If so, only because you and your brethren have spewed so fucking much! :p[/quote]

That is a matter of opinion, like everything else on this forum ole’ buddy.

[quote]harris447 wrote:
ZEB wrote:
Professor X wrote:
ZEB wrote:
Professor X wrote:
ZEB wrote:
You see pox you need to bone up on your Bible a bit. Those who either hate or don’t believe in God will always try to throw a monkey wrench in any sort of Christian activity. That you now carry their banner into this debate speaks volumes for how effective that they have been.

THINK

You are one blind man if you think I need to carry a banner for any MAN simply because he is acting as if he is spreading the word of God. Some of the worst men are those who use God towards their own gain. You THINK.

Well, you twisted that one in fine “pox style.”

Let me give it to you again
s l o w l y:

YOU are carrying the banner for the atheists on this (and other) threads.

No one asked you to carry the Christian banner…um we know better than that.

There you go.

:slight_smile:

Disagreeing with the faults of men does not mean I am against God or for atheists. It simply means I know bullshit when I see it.

I suggest that your “bullcrap meter” is broken.

Possibly because you sent the needle leaping off the chart.

And, the word is ‘bullshit’. Grow up.
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Hey…finally the king of meaningless posts and hateful vendettas arrives on the scene.

You will surely help turn the tide…for my side.

[quote]Professor X wrote:
steveo5801 wrote:
You may disagree with the methods, but that doesn’t mean that they aren’t legitimate. Have you read in the New Testament where Jesus Himself “confronted” the people of His day with the Truth of God’s Word? Do you have a problem with Jesus’ “methods” Prof?

I have a problem with YOUR methods. You are not God. [/quote]

Well I’ll have to say pox you sure have a penchant for the obvious!

[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
terribleivan wrote:

Exactly what is a ‘real Christian’? I find your country-club-Christianity off-putting, and I suspect all those wayward souls you hope to connect with on T-Nation do too.


Why are you posting backhanded insults like “country-club-Christianity”? See my previous post detailing true Christians and false Christians. Anyone can call themselves a Christian, but to live the Christian life - well, that is a differnt matter.

So let’s see - you said the ‘real’ Christians could not keep up the real intention of the thread? So who are they? By last count, I see two groups here - those claiming to be Christians and those who made it clear they are not.

You see three groups - non-Christians, ‘real’ Christians, and ‘fake’ Christians who claim to be Christians but aren’t really.

So who is in this last group? I am fascinated to know.

I don’t recall you being forced to particpate in this thread - same goes for everyone else. That is where free will comes in.

Yes, I voluntarily chimed in.

BTW - what have I done that led to that rude little “country-club Christian” comment? Was it the part about angels rejoicing in heaven? Again, that is biblical.

Nope, and to be honest, it wasn’t all that backhanded. It was a response to the self-righteousness of your taxonomy of ‘real’ Christians.

Part of this pithy, rank judgmentalism reminds of the first rule I ever encountered regarding Christianity: there is a God, and you are not Him.[/quote]

I see where we differ now. I am not afraid of judging righteous judgement. And, I am not ashamed of the Gospel of Christ. You apparently fall on the other side of the coin. You can tell me which group you belong to…or you can show me by your words.

If I have done something that is unbibical, please enlighten me. I am not afraid to admit my faults. But your little rant has produced no evidence.

Tell me what I’ve done wrong and provide biblical proof thunderbolt. Or, continue your little tirade. One route is profitable and the other is not. The choice is yours.

I know this isn’t directed at me, but what the heck it’s a message board.

[quote]Go-Rilla wrote:

Have you read in the New Testament where Jesus Himself “confronted” the people of His day with the Truth of God’s Word? Do you have a problem with Jesus’ “methods” Prof?

You ain’t Jesus. His methods just may not be what you need.[/quote]

You have to realize that this warning is about as respected as a fat sloppy person telling one of us to cool it with the weights!

Um…it jus falls short.

[quote]Actually, I contribute to these threads all for God’s glory.

I’m sure he is well impressed.
Probably be even more impressed if you’d start a thread for everyone to
pray for you and your attitude.
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Yes, of course. And the attitude that you don’t like is him mentioning our savior Jesus Christ.

You see any way you slice it you are never going to like it as you are an atheist and not unlike pookie (who has a very clever wit) you guys just never ever want to read about our savior Jesus Christ.

It will forever be a point of contention.

Oh well.

Zeb,

I think you are anti-Christian.
Why else would you work so hard to
make Christians look so foolish and
stupid. Is that your real goal?

You have a twisted little mind.

[quote]ZEB wrote:
harris447 wrote:
ZEB wrote:
Professor X wrote:
ZEB wrote:
Professor X wrote:
ZEB wrote:
You see pox you need to bone up on your Bible a bit. Those who either hate or don’t believe in God will always try to throw a monkey wrench in any sort of Christian activity. That you now carry their banner into this debate speaks volumes for how effective that they have been.

THINK

You are one blind man if you think I need to carry a banner for any MAN simply because he is acting as if he is spreading the word of God. Some of the worst men are those who use God towards their own gain. You THINK.

Well, you twisted that one in fine “pox style.”

Let me give it to you again
s l o w l y:

YOU are carrying the banner for the atheists on this (and other) threads.

No one asked you to carry the Christian banner…um we know better than that.

There you go.

:slight_smile:

Disagreeing with the faults of men does not mean I am against God or for atheists. It simply means I know bullshit when I see it.

I suggest that your “bullcrap meter” is broken.

Possibly because you sent the needle leaping off the chart.

And, the word is ‘bullshit’. Grow up.

Hey…finally the king of meaningless posts and hateful vendettas arrives on the scene.

You will surely help turn the tide…for my side.

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Well, I learned everything I know about meaningless posts and hateful vendettas from your award-winning “Why I hate homos” threads.

[quote]vroom wrote:
I’m feeling the power of Christ right now…

I think I had too much fiber this morning![/quote]

I’ve read this several times, just to let it sink in. I’ve thought about it for a couple of days.

Whenever someone of this ilk flames me or says TSB, or similar, I will think of the man who said this and his fellows that did not condemn it (X, Irish, and so forth). They attack me, but let THIS slide.

[quote]harris447 wrote:

Well, I learned everything I know about meaningless posts and hateful vendettas from your award-winning “Why I hate homos” threads.
[/quote]

Gee, I never said I hated homosexuals. But I have stated that I did not agree with what they do.

Did you go and get all confused again?

You have got to pay better attention my hate filled friend.

[quote]Go-Rilla wrote:
Zeb,

I think you are anti-Christian.
Why else would you work so hard to
make Christians look so foolish and
stupid. Is that your real goal?[/quote]

Again, your opinion is pretty much not valid regarding this issue. See example on other post.

Internet name calling? Wow…I have never seen that before. Been taking lessons from harris?

Headhunter,

I’m really done arguing these topics, I have put a lot of time into explaining a non-fundamentalist Christian viewpoint on the issue. Whether or not you choose to accept it or even listen is not my concern.

However, I do suggest that you are choosing to focus on the unimportant issues. At the same time, when you do so, you fill in the blanks with assumptions that illustrate your own thinking.

I will admit to always leaving a lot of ambigous bait around for you and your friends to make those assumptions…

So, go on and focus on things that piss you off so you can hang onto your “hatred” and “judgment”, I’m sure it will be very helpful as we move on to other discussions.

I on the other hand have already “reset” and moved on. Unless I am mistaken in your motivation or intent, which I certainly may be, consider the difference between the two viewpoints and what it means.

I wonder if the power of christ is at work in this thread?

[quote]Headhunter wrote:
vroom wrote:
I’m feeling the power of Christ right now…

I think I had too much fiber this morning!

I’ve read this several times, just to let it sink in. I’ve thought about it for a couple of days.

Whenever someone of this ilk flames me or says TSB, or similar, I will think of the man who said this and his fellows that did not condemn it (X, Irish, and so forth). They attack me, but let THIS slide.

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Good idea - especially remember the guys who claim to be Christians. It is amazing these Christians (or false Christians as I usually call them) would side with someone who blasphemes Jesus so crudely.

And yet, these guys never mention a thing about a comment like this. Ultimate hypocrites.

[quote]vroom wrote:

I on the other hand have already “reset” and moved on. [/quote]

vroom, I think that I am going to follow your lead.

Unless I have to answer anymore hate mail…I’m outta here.

[quote]ZEB wrote:
harris447 wrote:

Well, I learned everything I know about meaningless posts and hateful vendettas from your award-winning “Why I hate homos” threads.

Gee, I never said I hated homosexuals. But I have stated that I did not agree with what they do.

Did you go and get all confused again?

You have got to pay better attention my hate filled friend.[/quote]

No, you merely stated that what they do was wrong and they were going to hell and should be converted forcibly to good little pussy-fuckers.

Everytime you open your mouth, you make more people dislike you. Keep talking.

[quote]terribleivan wrote:
Good idea - especially remember the guys who claim to be Christians. It is amazing these Christians (or false Christians as I usually call them)
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please, I’m curious…

what does it take to be a ‘true’ Christian from your point of view?