Power of Christ

ZEB · March 19, 2006, 2:03pm

[quote]miniross wrote:
steveo5801 wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
If you guys don’t like these threads, why do you read them? You can simply move on to something else.

Funny. None of you thought that way with the atheists thread.

In fact, we stayed the hell off the Christian thread until one of you figured you’d “spread the word”

I have no problem with Christians or any other religios creed.

But what I fucking hate is people that won’t shut the fuck up about it once in a while, and try to get others to convert. Once again, you are as bad as the Muslims that you claim to despise

Name the last time a Fundamental Christian blew up a bus, a building, or someone’s house…

You’ve got to be kidding…

They would if they weren’t so rich and had things to loose.[/quote]

You might want to rethink that statement.

ZEB · March 19, 2006, 2:05pm

[quote]vroom wrote:
terribleivan wrote:
He that is not with God is against God. It’s biblical.

Perhaps you should not be equating yourselves or your beliefs with God, because all I see being rejected is a few people and their attitudes.

It becomes clearer and clearer.[/quote]

And all I see is a handful of atheists who don’t want to read anything about God posted on this forum!

So what’s new?

terribleivan · March 19, 2006, 2:11pm

[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:

But I never suggested that his post was ‘wrong’ on its face, as if there was something wrong with posting about Christian testimony.

To repeat, I thought it was redundant and counterproductive. I have no objection to anyone discussing religion. It was the timing and form. I voiced the exact same concerns when there were constantly added threads on the Iraq War.

[/quote]

Thunderbolt - My intention with this thread was to show that Christians have great strength in times of trouble because of Christ. No hidden agenda. No banner waving. Nothing fraudulent or deceptive.

I merely wanted to show that things that decimate most people don’t decimate Christians because Christians (true Christians) are strong in God. Was the timing really that poor? In the face of constant Christian bashing, I don’t think so.

Unfortunately, the strength of Christians didn’t show through. Instead, the hatred of atheists is what the readers have seen. Is that bad? Perhaps, and perhaps not.

If any reader that see the title of this thread and pulls it up to see the power of Christ, the result may be surprising. The big question is, does it glorify God? I suggest it does. The immediate contributions from the atheists show that people void of God have no positive or constructive power - they only have hatred and perversion.

Too bad the real Christians were not able to keep the original intention of the thread alive.

vroom · March 19, 2006, 2:18pm

[quote]Yes…now that I look at it, it does seem to add a great deal to a thread that speaks of a womans deep loss.

You are funny, in a sad way.[/quote]

Zeb,

Strange, isn’t it, that when I create a post with questions, thoughts and comments that you ignore it completely.

However, when I make a post without anything worthy of consideration, you focus on it.

I don’t see why you’d ever expect me to make a serious or respectful post…

terribleivan · March 19, 2006, 2:19pm

[quote]Professor X wrote:
ZEB wrote:
You see pox you need to bone up on your Bible a bit. Those who either hate or don’t believe in God will always try to throw a monkey wrench in any sort of Christian activity. That you now carry their banner into this debate speaks volumes for how effective that they have been.

THINK

You are one blind man if you think I need to carry a banner for any MAN simply because he is acting as if he is spreading the word of God. Some of the worst men are those who use God towards their own gain. You THINK.[/quote]

Man using God for his own gain is terrible. What is worse is a false Christian who is so out of tune with God that he we never tell anyone to stop doing something that God clearly hates. These are the guys adding poison to the gospel. Need examples:

Christians who are afraid to tell homosexuals that gay sex is wrong. Worse yet is the Christian who thinks gay sex is OK. Scary.

Christians who allow themselves to be yoked equally with unbelievers on a spiritual level. It shows these Christians really don’t have God.

Christians who constantly use perverse language yet claim to be strong with God. I’m not talking about the occasional vulgarity. I’m talking about making it a common part of your language.

Christians who will not share the gospel for fear of hurting someone’s feelings. If you really believed it, you wouldn’t be ashamed of it.

Too many more to list, but you get the idea.

vroom · March 19, 2006, 2:20pm

Do you really? Are you actually paying attention or just hitting reply and firing off something without giving the messages any thought?

I see you mistakenly thinking that everyone that disagrees with you is an athiest.

Professor_X · March 19, 2006, 2:39pm

[quote]terribleivan wrote:
Professor X wrote:
steveo5801 wrote:
If you keep rejecting God, one day you will learn the truth…

How am I rejecting God?

He that is not with God is against God. It’s biblical.[/quote]

What are you missing? I am WITH God. I am FOR God. I am not for you approaching this subject the way you did. Being a Christian does not mean I ahve to agree with any doofus who says they are speaking for God. Do you understand now?

Professor_X · March 19, 2006, 2:40pm

[quote]ZEB wrote:
Professor X wrote:
ZEB wrote:
You see pox you need to bone up on your Bible a bit. Those who either hate or don’t believe in God will always try to throw a monkey wrench in any sort of Christian activity. That you now carry their banner into this debate speaks volumes for how effective that they have been.

THINK

You are one blind man if you think I need to carry a banner for any MAN simply because he is acting as if he is spreading the word of God. Some of the worst men are those who use God towards their own gain. You THINK.

Well, you twisted that one in fine “pox style.”

Let me give it to you again
s l o w l y:

YOU are carrying the banner for the atheists on this (and other) threads.

No one asked you to carry the Christian banner…um we know better than that.

There you go.

:)[/quote]

Disagreeing with the faults of men does not mean I am against God or for atheists. It simply means I know bullshit when I see it.

ZEB · March 19, 2006, 3:01pm

[quote]terribleivan wrote:
thunderbolt23 wrote:

But I never suggested that his post was ‘wrong’ on its face, as if there was something wrong with posting about Christian testimony.

To repeat, I thought it was redundant and counterproductive. I have no objection to anyone discussing religion. It was the timing and form. I voiced the exact same concerns when there were constantly added threads on the Iraq War.

Thunderbolt - My intention with this thread was to show that Christians have great strength in times of trouble because of Christ. No hidden agenda. No banner waving. Nothing fraudulent or deceptive.

I merely wanted to show that things that decimate most people don’t decimate Christians because Christians (true Christians) are strong in God. Was the timing really that poor? In the face of constant Christian bashing, I don’t think so.

Unfortunately, the strength of Christians didn’t show through. Instead, the hatred of atheists is what the readers have seen. Is that bad? Perhaps, and perhaps not.

If any reader that see the title of this thread and pulls it up to see the power of Christ, the result may be surprising. The big question is, does it glorify God? I suggest it does. The immediate contributions from the atheists show that people void of God have no positive or constructive power - they only have hatred and perversion.

Too bad the real Christians were not able to keep the original intention of the thread alive.[/quote]

Excellent post!

I would like to add one thing:

If any one of us were to jump onto a “Tattoo” or “motorcycle” thread and start attacking we would not be very popular with the original poster for messing up his thread.

That they do this strikes me as rather ironic.

ZEB · March 19, 2006, 3:09pm

[quote]vroom wrote:
And all I see is a handful of atheists who don’t want to read anything about God posted on this forum!

Do you really? Are you actually paying attention or just hitting reply and firing off something without giving the messages any thought?

I see you mistakenly thinking that everyone that disagrees with you is an athiest.[/quote]

Everyone? I never said that.

Looking at the posters WHO FIRST launched the attacks against this thread I don’t see a Christian among them!

I see either atheists or agnositcs.

If I’m wrong please point it out.

Oh…and their objective seems to have been met.

ZEB · March 19, 2006, 3:10pm

[quote]Professor X wrote:
ZEB wrote:
Professor X wrote:
ZEB wrote:
You see pox you need to bone up on your Bible a bit. Those who either hate or don’t believe in God will always try to throw a monkey wrench in any sort of Christian activity. That you now carry their banner into this debate speaks volumes for how effective that they have been.

THINK

You are one blind man if you think I need to carry a banner for any MAN simply because he is acting as if he is spreading the word of God. Some of the worst men are those who use God towards their own gain. You THINK.

Well, you twisted that one in fine “pox style.”

Let me give it to you again
s l o w l y:

YOU are carrying the banner for the atheists on this (and other) threads.

No one asked you to carry the Christian banner…um we know better than that.

There you go.

Disagreeing with the faults of men does not mean I am against God or for atheists. It simply means I know bullshit when I see it.[/quote]

I suggest that your “bullcrap meter” is broken.

vroom · March 19, 2006, 3:20pm

If so, only because you and your brethren have spewed so fucking much!

harris447 · March 19, 2006, 3:40pm

[quote]ZEB wrote:
Professor X wrote:
ZEB wrote:
Professor X wrote:
ZEB wrote:
You see pox you need to bone up on your Bible a bit. Those who either hate or don’t believe in God will always try to throw a monkey wrench in any sort of Christian activity. That you now carry their banner into this debate speaks volumes for how effective that they have been.

THINK

You are one blind man if you think I need to carry a banner for any MAN simply because he is acting as if he is spreading the word of God. Some of the worst men are those who use God towards their own gain. You THINK.

Well, you twisted that one in fine “pox style.”

Let me give it to you again
s l o w l y:

YOU are carrying the banner for the atheists on this (and other) threads.

No one asked you to carry the Christian banner…um we know better than that.

There you go.

Disagreeing with the faults of men does not mean I am against God or for atheists. It simply means I know bullshit when I see it.

I suggest that your “bullcrap meter” is broken.[/quote]

Possibly because you sent the needle leaping off the chart.

And, the word is ‘bullshit’. Grow up.

thunderbolt23 · March 19, 2006, 3:43pm

[quote]terribleivan wrote:

Thunderbolt - My intention with this thread was to show that Christians have great strength in times of trouble because of Christ. No hidden agenda. No banner waving. Nothing fraudulent or deceptive.[/quote]

Here is what you said in another thread:

"Hey Steveo -

This is a fantastic idea for a post! Everytime a soul is won to God, the angels in heaven rejoice! And so do I!

Brother in Christ - By His blood alone!"

(responding to the Post Here to Accept Jesus Christ thread)

http://www.T-Nation.com/readTopic.do?id=934564&pageNo=5

If you are watching the Super Bowl with your friends, and the game is close, and when it hits the two minutes mark, do you shut off the TV, stand up in front of the room, and begin delivering Scripture to your pals?

No? It’s because of context.

If you see a guy in the middle of his workout at a gym with his headphones on, do you go tap him on the head to start delivering tales of conversion?

No? It’s because of context.

You know - or should know - that context can determine that certain kinds of conversations have ‘right time, right place’ parameters in place. I offer that if you truly want to get people to think constructively about Christianity - truly - this thread was neither the right time nor the right place.

You don’t see that because you measure yourself through effort alone - you could be maing people less interested in Christianity than they ever have been, but you don’t care - your only goal is personal, i.e., to feel all warm and fuzzy that you tried.

That is why I think they way I do - you don’t have to be ‘embarrassed’ or ‘ashamed’ of your religion to have a clue when to bring it up and when not to based on context. Moving along…

Sure it did, and stop the arrogant posturing. I am a Christian and I think your thread was a bad idea. Does that disqualify me?

Trust me, most people antagonistic toward religion hide behind Hysteria, Hperbole, and Sarcasm - and I am no fan of it. However, fear of their responses has nothing to do with why I think this a bad thread.

Exactly what is a ‘real Christian’? I find your country-club-Christianity off-putting, and I suspect all those wayward souls you hope to connect with on T-Nation do too.

Go_Rilla · March 19, 2006, 3:46pm

Zeb is playing everyone on this thread.

No way is he serious about Christianity.

He is getting a big laugh out of all of this. Passive aggressive childishness.

steveo5801 · March 19, 2006, 4:17pm

[quote]Professor X wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
Professor X wrote:
This is the first time I agree with everyrthing Thunderbolt has had to say in a post. Anyone who thinks they are doing “good” by forcing their views on people that don’t care to hear it are extremely foolish and I will try my hardest to make sure that I am not grouped together with them considering how ridiculous their actions truly are.

Funny…you never mentioned someone chaining you in front of your computer monitor and ‘forcing their views’ on you. You never mentioned how they forced you to read and respond to this thread. How is that accomplished, Professor?

Then let me clarify. You aren’t so much forcing anything as you are misrepresenting a religion of which I am a part of. I am making a very strong stance against the way many of you are “speaking” on the issue.
[/quote]

I challenge you to find Biblical evidence – i.e. scripture – to support your claim of misrepresentation. What have I “misrepresented” about God, Jesus Christ, or the Bible?

You may disagree with the methods, but that doesn’t mean that they aren’t legitimate. Have you read in the New Testament where Jesus Himself “confronted” the people of His day with the Truth of God’s Word? Do you have a problem with Jesus’ “methods” Prof?

I have very often described myself as a sinner saved by the grace of God. I am worthless and underserving of anything, except that God has done it all for me. How is this being superior? I have also stated that the Bible teaches that nobody can be superior, except for the Lord Jesus.
Again, you are misrepresenting me and some of the others as well. Intentional?

Who gives you the right to assume my motive? Isn’t this what you claim to be disgusted about.

Actually, I contribute to these threads all for God’s glory. Althought he Bible does say that bodily excercise profits ‘little’ and I believe in having a healthy body, all of it is ultimately vanity when you look at it in terms of eternity.

Clearly, Christianity teaches that the most important thing in life is to be ready for death, and that is only by having a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. That is what the Bible says, so if you are a Christian, you should have no problem agreeing with this. Do you?

I have never read that thread, but I am glad you liked it.

[quote]

The crap you are spewing is beneath it. You aren’t doing good here aside from trying to uplift your own image. If anything, it sickens me that you think you are so holy.[/quote]

Again, your own opinion and misrepresentation. The “crap” as you call it, actually is called Scripture – that is what I quote over and over and over again to show the positions that I take. I try to advance these ideas in a way that shows concern for you and others. Perhaps what you don’t like is that the Bible leaves no room for “other ways” to God. Perhaps you have “your own way to God,” but unless this lines up with the Word of God, it is only a way to an eternal Hell. Jesus taught this over and over and over again, and so Professor X, your argument is not with me or the other fundamental Christians. Your argument is with God.

Please give Biblical references to support your misrepresentations, or admit that they are only your opinions and you have no facts theological or otherwise to back them up. This is not an arrogant statement, but you would surely not let anyone “speak” this way about your bodybuilding advice without some authoritative source to cite.

Take care…

Professor_X · March 19, 2006, 5:08pm

[quote]steveo5801 wrote:
You may disagree with the methods, but that doesn’t mean that they aren’t legitimate. Have you read in the New Testament where Jesus Himself “confronted” the people of His day with the Truth of God’s Word? Do you have a problem with Jesus’ “methods” Prof?[/quote]

I have a problem with YOUR methods. You are not God.

[quote] How is this being superior? I have also stated that the Bible teaches that nobody can be superior, except for the Lord Jesus.
Again, you are misrepresenting me and some of the others as well. Intentional?[/quote]

You are misrepresenting yourself. No one has to do anything in that regard. Several people are all telling you the same thing. Funny how you think everyone else is wrong on the issue.

[quote]
Who gives you the right to assume my motive? Isn’t this what you claim to be disgusted about. [/quote]

I don’t have to assume anything. If you truly wanted a deep discussion about religion, you would have approached this differently. You are either extremely stupid and didn’t anticipate this response, or you expected it and did it your way regardless. For the last time, several discussions have taken place on this forum and none have fallen to the level yours did. That should tell you something…and that something is NOT that you are so righteous.

Go_Rilla · March 19, 2006, 5:11pm

Have you read in the New Testament where Jesus Himself “confronted” the people of His day with the Truth of God’s Word? Do you have a problem with Jesus’ “methods” Prof?

You ain’t Jesus. His methods just may not be what you need.

I have very often described myself as a sinner saved by the grace of God. I am worthless and underserving of anything, except that God has done it all for me.

This part is correct.

Actually, I contribute to these threads all for God’s glory.

I’m sure he is well impressed.
Probably be even more impressed if you’d start a thread for everyone to
pray for you and your attitude.

anon31651765 · March 19, 2006, 5:30pm

[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
terribleivan wrote: