Power of Christ

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]ZEB wrote:
YOU said it was a “BODYBUILDING FORUM.” Hence, why do you spend a good share of YOUR time on this forum discussing other things?

It matters not WHAT the thread is about. If the mods let it on then who are YOU to question it’s existance? It sounds more like religious censorship than anything else.[/quote]

Bullshit. No one here is interested in censoring religion. I have been one of the larger contributers in most of the threads in the past focusing on religion, so what are you talking about? I will never fall to the level you have in order to argue about gay people for 200 pages.

[quote]
Why don’t you take another glance at terribleivan’s original post. Go ahead scroll back right now. How on earth does that represent him being a hypocrit? How can that first post be anything but inspirational to those of us who believe in the power of God?[/quote]

No one has written that he can’t post on the subject. he was questioned as to why he was started yet another thread when there were SEVERAL already on religion in this forum and several people seemed to be turned off by it. I am for the open discussion of God. I am not for constantly bringing up religion to the point that it makes people sick to see another post on it thus eliminating any good it could possibly do. Do you understand this now? You get why there are people who believe in God who don’t like what you are doing?

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[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
steveo5801 wrote:

Otherwise, as a Christian, you should be supporting others who are trying to get the Word out and not tear us down as we seek to have God work in the lives of these men who need the Lord.

We can agree to disagree, that is fine - but you really must get over the habit of lecturing people on what a Christian ‘should’ do.

As a matter of God-given common sense, I would not support someone whom I thought was actually setting back the cause of Christianity, no matter how hard they were working.[/quote]

Thunderbolt23,

Your comments are always appreciated by me. I think you have a very keen insight when it comes to political and social matters.

However, if you take a look at terribleivan’s original post I don’t think that there is one thing wrong with it. This thread began to break down almost immediately (as I warned that it would) when Atheists entered either attacking or demeaning.

vroom began by belittling the story of courage that terribleivan posted about.

Here is his first contribution:

"I’m feeling the power of Christ right now…

I think I had too much fiber this morning!"

DPH then posts a comedy clip about the exorcist.

doogie says: “It sounds like God really hates that woman.”

pookie enters the thread with a joke,

It seems that it’s not terribleivan that you should be concerned with. His original post does not rant, preach or offend anyone. In fact, it seems that it was intended as inspirational.

In fact, you would have to be an Atheist to be offended by that original post.

Now let’s see why would those four posters in question want to demean the original post?

Well…there’s your answer my friend.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

Bullshit. No one here is interested in censoring religion.[/quote]

Then why are YOU doing it?

What you have done in the past means what? Right now I know exactly what YOU are trying to do and it’s unseemly.

[quote]Why don’t you take another glance at terribleivan’s original post. Go ahead scroll back right now. How on earth does that represent him being a hypocrit? How can that first post be anything but inspirational to those of us who believe in the power of God?

No one has written that he can’t post on the subject. he was questioned as to why he was started yet another thread when there were SEVERAL already on religion in this forum and several people seemed to be turned off by it.[/quote]

How many posts are there on women? How many on fighting? how many on a ton of other subject matter, over and over again?

And how many times have you interrupted the posts and said “enough of this?”

NOT ONCE!

[quote]
I am for the open discussion of God.[/quote]

Then stop pandering to the Atheists and join in instead of trying to censor.

That is a tired worn out line which has ZERO merit. Read who the first few were who either demeaned or attacked this thread. They were not Christians brother!

Do you see how you have been sucked into their trap?

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[quote]ZEB wrote:

However, if you take a look at terribleivan’s original post I don’t think that there is one thing wrong with it. This thread began to break down almost immediately (as I warned that it would) when Atheists entered either attacking or demeaning.[/quote]

But I never suggested that his post was ‘wrong’ on its face, as if there was something wrong with posting about Christian testimony.

To repeat, I thought it was redundant and counterproductive. I have no objection to anyone discussing religion. It was the timing and form. I voiced the exact same concerns when there were constantly added threads on the Iraq War.

[quote]It seems that it’s not terribleivan that you should be concerned with. His original post does not rant, preach or offend anyone. In fact, it seems that it was intended as inspirational.

In fact, you would have to be an Atheist to be offended by that original post.[/quote]

I wasn’t offended by it - I was concerned about the direction it would go.

See, here is the thing - in my view, the level of discourse around here has plummeted of late. Regardless of whether we are conservatives or liberals, Christians or atheists, etc., some of us are generally concerned about the quality of discussion around here. While I take TerribleIvan to be acting in good faith, not a one of us should be under any illusion as to the direction of the comments that would follow.

[quote]Now let’s see why would those four posters in question want to demean the original post?

Well…there’s your answer my friend.
[/quote]

You’ll have to ask them, but acting surprised that people responded the way they did in light of all the other threads can’t be taken seriously. My point was - and remains - that the thread was misplaced, not because TerribleIvan was wrong to bring up Christian testimony, but because it would only throw gasoline on the fire that is the drop in quality of debate around here.

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[quote]ZEB wrote:

Then why are YOU doing it?[/quote]

How am I censoring religion? I am trying to make sure that no one thinks that all Christians think like some of the people on this forum. Apparently, I am not alone in this.

[quote]
What you have done in the past means what? Right now I know exactly what YOU are trying to do and it’s unseemly. [/quote]

What is unseemly is your misrepresentation of an entire religion. What is unseemly is bringing up the subject to the point that all the posts gain from it is a avalanche of hatemail which eliminates any decent discussion of it. You are not doing good here in that way. You can pretend as if you are all you want to. It won’t make you more holy.

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Again, thunderbolt23, well said.

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[quote]ZEB wrote:
Now let’s see why would those four posters in question want to demean the original post?[/quote]

Because it was posted in a manner that suggested that only Christians had to endure difficult times; or that they were the only ones equipped to deal with them properly.

It was posted to show how well a good Christian deals with adversity, to show, AGAIN, the “moral superiority” of Christians over non-believers or believers of others faiths.

Relevant quotes:

All Christians? Not likely. To the exclusion of every non-Christians? Ridiculous.

Why? It’s not like she has any choice in accepting either death, did she? Anyone else placed in her situation, believer or not, Christian or not, would most likely cope with the loss in some way.

That’s why we aren’t quite as “moved” as you think we’d be. Everyone knows someone, “a friend of a friend” or a distant relative who’s had to endure difficult times. Appropriating that person’s story to make a point about how “strong and powerful” your faith is just comes across as petty. You’re using someone else’s very real pain to “score points” on an internet forum.

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[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
While I take TerribleIvan to be acting in good faith, not a one of us should be under any illusion as to the direction of the comments that would follow.[/quote]

And I agree and posted such as soon as I read his original post. However, should he remain silent simply because a small but vocal group of Atheists will respond negatively? What sort of Christianity would that represent?

What about all of the folks who read these threads who are inspired by terribleivan’s story? Are they to be denied because of the few who scream, swear and sputter because they hate God, or don’t think he exists?

And what about all of the countless threads that are posted here and on other parts of the forum that fall into question? Should we all remain silent if we even think there will be opposition?

I don’t think the drop in the quality of debate has anything to do with some of the Christian threads that have popped up. I think it has more to do with the lack of maturity by a handful of posters who would rather name call and immediately resort to personal attacks. You have never been one of them and for that you should be commended.

Know this: Whenever a Christian thread appears, whether it be today or two years from today, there will be resistance! I know you know why that is.

Does that mean that there should never be Christian threads, or does it mean that there should be more of them?

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
ZEB wrote:

Then why are YOU doing it?

How am I censoring religion? I am trying to make sure that no one thinks that all Christians think like some of the people on this forum. Apparently, I am not alone in this.[/quote]

Again, read the original posters intent. How is that in any way offensive to anyone but an Atheist? And then read the following comments by the Atheists and you will see who began this nonsense. And now YOU carry it on.

[quote] What is unseemly is bringing up the subject to the point that all the posts gain from it is a avalanche of hatemail which eliminates any decent discussion of it. You are not doing good here in that way. You can pretend as if you are all you want to. It won’t make you more holy.

[/quote]

Your catch phrases aside, this makes no sense. The only “hate mail” is mostly from Atheists.

You see pox you need to bone up on your Bible a bit. Those who either hate or don’t believe in God will always try to throw a monkey wrench in any sort of Christian activity. That you now carry their banner into this debate speaks volumes for how effective that they have been.

THINK

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pookie:

Wow you disagree with someone starting a Christian thread!

That is simply shocking…

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Okay boys, I have to go get ready for Church so I’ll be out of the loop for the rest of the morning.

Peace be with you all. And whether you are Christians or Atheists I want you to know that I love you all.

:slight_smile:

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[quote]ZEB wrote:
pookie:

Wow you disagree with someone starting a Christian thread!

That is simply shocking…
[/quote]

No, I just don’t care for the dripping hypocrisy behind it.

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[quote]ZEB wrote:
You see pox you need to bone up on your Bible a bit. Those who either hate or don’t believe in God will always try to throw a monkey wrench in any sort of Christian activity. That you now carry their banner into this debate speaks volumes for how effective that they have been.

THINK
[/quote]

You are one blind man if you think I need to carry a banner for any MAN simply because he is acting as if he is spreading the word of God. Some of the worst men are those who use God towards their own gain. You THINK.

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[quote]vroom began by belittling the story of courage that terribleivan posted about.

Here is his first contribution:

"I’m feeling the power of Christ right now…

I think I had too much fiber this morning!"
[/quote]

Zeb,

Your quick leap to assumptions leaves you in danger of closing your mind to the true reasons for things.

Nowhere did I quote the original post or mention the content of the original post.

Sadly, a lot of people are forced to undergo a lot of suffering, whether or not they are Christian. This has been mentioned many times in this thread.

What about an innocent muslim child who’s parents have been killed for collaborating with American soldiers during infrastructure rebuilding projects.

Does this child exhibit strength by following in his parents footsteps? Does this child not suffer? Do you somehow have a measuring stick that tells you that the suffering in the first post is more important than the suffering of such a child?

Does not God love all of his creations?

Christians need to stop glorifying themselves. It is an abomination. I can only imagine Christ would rip a religion based on such aggrandization completely assunder.

I guess that is what the promised second coming is for?

By “diefying” the bible, the mere written words of men, and placing it above all else, you have erred. I can only suggest that you had better pray that I am wrong.

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[quote]steveo5801 wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
If you guys don’t like these threads, why do you read them? You can simply move on to something else.

Funny. None of you thought that way with the atheists thread.

In fact, we stayed the hell off the Christian thread until one of you figured you’d “spread the word”

I have no problem with Christians or any other religios creed.

But what I fucking hate is people that won’t shut the fuck up about it once in a while, and try to get others to convert. Once again, you are as bad as the Muslims that you claim to despise

Name the last time a Fundamental Christian blew up a bus, a building, or someone’s house…

You’ve got to be kidding…

[/quote]

They would if they weren’t so rich and had things to loose.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
steveo5801 wrote:
If you keep rejecting God, one day you will learn the truth…

How am I rejecting God? [/quote]

He that is not with God is against God. It’s biblical.

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[quote]pookie wrote:
ZEB wrote:
pookie:

Wow you disagree with someone starting a Christian thread!

That is simply shocking…

No, I just don’t care for the dripping hypocrisy behind it.
[/quote]

But, I’m sure if YOU did not perceive any hypocrisy then you would probably be quite happy to see more Christian threads…Oh no wait…you always come off as sarcastic and bitter regardless of what’s said or who says it when it comes to Christianity.

You’re easy pook…

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[quote]terribleivan wrote:
He that is not with God is against God. It’s biblical.[/quote]

Perhaps you should not be equating yourselves or your beliefs with God, because all I see being rejected is a few people and their attitudes.

It becomes clearer and clearer.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
ZEB wrote:
You see pox you need to bone up on your Bible a bit. Those who either hate or don’t believe in God will always try to throw a monkey wrench in any sort of Christian activity. That you now carry their banner into this debate speaks volumes for how effective that they have been.

THINK

You are one blind man if you think I need to carry a banner for any MAN simply because he is acting as if he is spreading the word of God. Some of the worst men are those who use God towards their own gain. You THINK.[/quote]

Well, you twisted that one in fine “pox style.”

Let me give it to you again
s l o w l y:

YOU are carrying the banner for the atheists on this (and other) threads.

No one asked you to carry the Christian banner…um we know better than that.

There you go.

:slight_smile:

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[quote]vroom wrote:
vroom began by belittling the story of courage that terribleivan posted about.

Here is his first contribution:

"I’m feeling the power of Christ right now…

I think I had too much fiber this morning!"

Zeb,

Your quick leap to assumptions leaves you in danger of closing your mind to the true reasons for things.

Nowhere did I quote the original post or mention the content of the original post.

Sadly, a lot of people are forced to undergo a lot of suffering, whether or not they are Christian. This has been mentioned many times in this thread.

What about an innocent muslim child who’s parents have been killed for collaborating with American soldiers during infrastructure rebuilding projects.

Does this child exhibit strength by following in his parents footsteps? Does this child not suffer? Do you somehow have a measuring stick that tells you that the suffering in the first post is more important than the suffering of such a child?

Does not God love all of his creations?

Christians need to stop glorifying themselves. It is an abomination. I can only imagine Christ would rip a religion based on such aggrandization completely assunder.

I guess that is what the promised second coming is for?

By “diefying” the bible, the mere written words of men, and placing it above all else, you have erred. I can only suggest that you had better pray that I am wrong.[/quote]

LOL…forgive me vroom. I should have realized that your post was actually very relevant.

Let’s see it again, you said:

"I’m feeling the power of Christ right now…

I think I had too much fiber this morning!"

Yes…now that I look at it, it does seem to add a great deal to a thread that speaks of a womans deep loss.

You are funny, in a sad way.