Power of Christ

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
This is the first time I agree with everyrthing Thunderbolt has had to say in a post. Anyone who thinks they are doing “good” by forcing their views on people that don’t care to hear it are extremely foolish and I will try my hardest to make sure that I am not grouped together with them considering how ridiculous their actions truly are.[/quote]

So Prof X, you won’t try to force your views, be it on bodybuilding techniques, policitics, etc. on the rest of us right?

You will practice what you preach right?

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[quote]steveo5801 wrote:
Professor X wrote:
This is the first time I agree with everyrthing Thunderbolt has had to say in a post. Anyone who thinks they are doing “good” by forcing their views on people that don’t care to hear it are extremely foolish and I will try my hardest to make sure that I am not grouped together with them considering how ridiculous their actions truly are.

So Prof X, you won’t try to force your views, be it on bodybuilding techniques, policitics, etc. on the rest of us right?

You will practice what you preach right?
[/quote]

WTF? This is A BODYBUILDING FORUM. The idea here is discussion of bodybuilding. How could I try to force my views on anyone when the whole goal is the discussion of these topics?

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
steveo5801 wrote:
Professor X wrote:
This is the first time I agree with everyrthing Thunderbolt has had to say in a post. Anyone who thinks they are doing “good” by forcing their views on people that don’t care to hear it are extremely foolish and I will try my hardest to make sure that I am not grouped together with them considering how ridiculous their actions truly are.

So Prof X, you won’t try to force your views, be it on bodybuilding techniques, policitics, etc. on the rest of us right?

You will practice what you preach right?

WTF? This is A BODYBUILDING FORUM. The idea here is discussion of bodybuilding. How could I try to force my views on anyone when the whole goal is the discussion of these topics? [/quote]

If it’s a “BODYBUILDING FORUM” then why talk about politics, or wander into the “off topic” threads?

And if every other topic is welcome on this forum by the owner, then who are you to try to stifle anyone’s views on relgion, whatever those views might be?

I thought liberalism was supposed to represent freedom of thought and expression. That only seems to be the case whenever the topic is one accepted by liberals.

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[quote]ZEB wrote:
Professor X wrote:
steveo5801 wrote:
Professor X wrote:
This is the first time I agree with everyrthing Thunderbolt has had to say in a post. Anyone who thinks they are doing “good” by forcing their views on people that don’t care to hear it are extremely foolish and I will try my hardest to make sure that I am not grouped together with them considering how ridiculous their actions truly are.

So Prof X, you won’t try to force your views, be it on bodybuilding techniques, policitics, etc. on the rest of us right?

You will practice what you preach right?

WTF? This is A BODYBUILDING FORUM. The idea here is discussion of bodybuilding. How could I try to force my views on anyone when the whole goal is the discussion of these topics?

If it’s a “BODYBUILDING FORUM” then why talk about politics, or wander into the “off topic” threads?

And if every other topic is welcome on this forum by the owner, then who are you to try to stifle anyone’s views on relgion, whatever those views might be?

I thought liberalism was supposed to represent freedom of thought and expression. That only seems to be the case whenever the topic is one accepted by liberals.

[/quote]

Sounds like the ultimate double standard.

I’ve got to hand it to you Zeb. Throughout it all, you keep your speech and language clean and void of perversion. Nice to see that in a Christian these days.

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[quote]Headhunter wrote:
If you guys don’t like these threads, why do you read them? You can simply move on to something else.

[/quote]

Funny. None of you thought that way with the atheists thread.

In fact, we stayed the hell off the Christian thread until one of you figured you’d “spread the word”

I have no problem with Christians or any other religios creed.

But what I fucking hate is people that won’t shut the fuck up about it once in a while, and try to get others to convert. Once again, you are as bad as the Muslims that you claim to despise

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[quote]ZEB wrote:
If it’s a “BODYBUILDING FORUM” then why talk about politics, or wander into the “off topic” threads?[/quote]

Obviously, if it is a political subdivision of this forum, you discuss politics here. If it is the off topics section, you can discusss what you want. Somehow, this sounds like “make constant daily threads about religion”?

[quote]
And if every other topic is welcome on this forum by the owner, then who are you to try to stifle anyone’s views on relgion, whatever those views might be?[/quote]

Gee, Zeb, the simple fact that they have stopped even allowing the threads from this forum to even appear in the “Most Discussed Topics” line of posts should be screaming to you that they are even losing favor with this section of the forum. You do know what hints are, right?

You can have all of the freedom of thought you want. Just don’t be surprised when others inform you what a hypocrite you are being. If you are walking around claiming such holy superiority and by doing so misrepresenting a religion and causing even more people to despise it and you in the process, what good are you doing? Most of these threads being created are to glorify yourselves, not for the glorification of God. One day, you may just learn the difference.

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Budhists often deal with the passing of a loved one in a similar fasion, takingcomfort in the knowledge that the death is simply part of the circle of life. Hindu’s take comfort in the fact that the person’s spirit will be reincarnated in a higher state assuming they led a good life. And atheists are comforted by the knowledge that the suffereing of a loved one is now ended in the nothingness that comes with death.

Dealing with grief, poorly, dealing with it calmly and peacefully are human traits not specific to any particular religion. If you have to convince yourself that you’ll meet that person in some paradise afterlife to help you cope, more power to ya.

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[quote]steveo5801 wrote:

God’s Word does say that whenever the Word of God is preached (and it doesn’t qualify the method) it doesn’t “return void, but accomplishes what God intends it to.” Isaiah 55:8ff.[/quote]

Good, so we can have differing views on which methods we think actually advance Christianity. I like mine better. Mushy relativism has never been my thing - and I suspect that God, being rational, would prefer a method that might actually get individuals to come into the flock (so to speak), and not one that continually harasses people to the point they don’t remain open to Christianity.

Your scare quotes said otherwise. And, I can criticize it all I want - I didn’t suggest you would burn in hell for it, I suggested that you are not helping to advance Christianity. A true Christian, presumably, would be interested in what works and what doesn’t, not just in the sound of his own voice reciting Scripture.

[quote]Finally, I don’t recall seeing you attack anyone else who posts threads conerning atheism, Buddism, evolution, etc. Why Christianity?
[/quote]

You miss the point. I never ‘attacked’ anyone - go read my first post.

I suggested that yet another post on Christianity was not a good idea because:

  1. There have been so many recently. When people start threads on already existing topics, it is not unusual to say “not another one, go post in the original one”.

  2. The many discussions on Christianity have ground to a halt, and nothing productive has come out of them of late. The best thing to do is let the dust settle, let emotions simmer down, and have the discussion later. Right now, no one is having any kind of fruitful exchange.

  3. I think this kind of thread is more appropriate for the Get A Life forum.

To note - I don’t have any objection to anyone discussing Christianity, Buddhism, atheism, evolution, etc. You said it yourself - I have not jumped in to complain about that in other threads. What I am complaining about is not that Christianity is being discussed - it is that yet another Christianity thread is being introduced in a very redundant, antagonistic way. This thread is just one more invitation to have a snit-fight between the guys who have been bickering on religious threads for the past couple of weeks.

I have no problem with the discussion - so long as one actually occurs. We both know that such a discussion is not going to happen in this thread, given the recent threads and the results.

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Something else worth praying for! Holy shit, two in one week!!!

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[quote]ZEB wrote:
Professor X wrote:
steveo5801 wrote:
Professor X wrote:
This is the first time I agree with everyrthing Thunderbolt has had to say in a post. Anyone who thinks they are doing “good” by forcing their views on people that don’t care to hear it are extremely foolish and I will try my hardest to make sure that I am not grouped together with them considering how ridiculous their actions truly are.

So Prof X, you won’t try to force your views, be it on bodybuilding techniques, policitics, etc. on the rest of us right?

You will practice what you preach right?

WTF? This is A BODYBUILDING FORUM. The idea here is discussion of bodybuilding. How could I try to force my views on anyone when the whole goal is the discussion of these topics?

If it’s a “BODYBUILDING FORUM” then why talk about politics, or wander into the “off topic” threads?

And if every other topic is welcome on this forum by the owner, then who are you to try to stifle anyone’s views on relgion, whatever those views might be?

I thought liberalism was supposed to represent freedom of thought and expression. That only seems to be the case whenever the topic is one accepted by liberals.

[/quote]

Zeb I couldn’t have said it better myself. This is exactly my point to the good Professor, but he conveniently dodged it by a clever tactic which you have correctly identified.

Liberals, by nature, are not for freedom of views, opinions, and behavior as they claim, unless they are by other liberals.

I was only pointing out to Prof. X that he does exactly what he accuses us of doing, only that’s OK because it is his opinions…

Thanks for the post!

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[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
If you guys don’t like these threads, why do you read them? You can simply move on to something else.

Funny. None of you thought that way with the atheists thread.

In fact, we stayed the hell off the Christian thread until one of you figured you’d “spread the word”

I have no problem with Christians or any other religios creed.

But what I fucking hate is people that won’t shut the fuck up about it once in a while, and try to get others to convert. Once again, you are as bad as the Muslims that you claim to despise[/quote]

Name the last time a Fundamental Christian blew up a bus, a building, or someone’s house…

You’ve got to be kidding…

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
ZEB wrote:
If it’s a “BODYBUILDING FORUM” then why talk about politics, or wander into the “off topic” threads?

Obviously, if it is a political subdivision of this forum, you discuss politics here. If it is the off topics section, you can discusss what you want. Somehow, this sounds like “make constant daily threads about religion”?

And if every other topic is welcome on this forum by the owner, then who are you to try to stifle anyone’s views on relgion, whatever those views might be?

Gee, Zeb, the simple fact that they have stopped even allowing the threads from this forum to even appear in the “Most Discussed Topics” line of posts should be screaming to you that they are even losing favor with this section of the forum. You do know what hints are, right?

I thought liberalism was supposed to represent freedom of thought and expression. That only seems to be the case whenever the topic is one accepted by liberals.

You can have all of the freedom of thought you want. Just don’t be surprised when others inform you what a hypocrite you are being. If you are walking around claiming such holy superiority and by doing so misrepresenting a religion and causing even more people to despise it and you in the process, what good are you doing? Most of these threads being created are to glorify yourselves, not for the glorification of God. One day, you may just learn the difference.

[/quote]

If you keep rejecting God, one day you will learn the truth…

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[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
steveo5801 wrote:

God’s Word does say that whenever the Word of God is preached (and it doesn’t qualify the method) it doesn’t “return void, but accomplishes what God intends it to.” Isaiah 55:8ff.

Good, so we can have differing views on which methods we think actually advance Christianity. I like mine better. Mushy relativism has never been my thing - and I suspect that God, being rational, would prefer a method that might actually get individuals to come into the flock (so to speak), and not one that continually harasses people to the point they don’t remain open to Christianity.

I was not judging your relationship, I was asking you about it, because those who truly claim the name of Jesus Christ are not usually apt to criticize the “methods” of others, nor question the intent of others as you have questioned my intent and motives.

Your scare quotes said otherwise. And, I can criticize it all I want - I didn’t suggest you would burn in hell for it, I suggested that you are not helping to advance Christianity. A true Christian, presumably, would be interested in what works and what doesn’t, not just in the sound of his own voice reciting Scripture.

Finally, I don’t recall seeing you attack anyone else who posts threads conerning atheism, Buddism, evolution, etc. Why Christianity?

You miss the point. I never ‘attacked’ anyone - go read my first post.

I suggested that yet another post on Christianity was not a good idea because:

  1. There have been so many recently. When people start threads on already existing topics, it is not unusual to say “not another one, go post in the original one”.

  2. The many discussions on Christianity have ground to a halt, and nothing productive has come out of them of late. The best thing to do is let the dust settle, let emotions simmer down, and have the discussion later. Right now, no one is having any kind of fruitful exchange.

  3. I think this kind of thread is more appropriate for the Get A Life forum.

To note - I don’t have any objection to anyone discussing Christianity, Buddhism, atheism, evolution, etc. You said it yourself - I have not jumped in to complain about that in other threads. What I am complaining about is not that Christianity is being discussed - it is that yet another Christianity thread is being introduced in a very redundant, antagonistic way. This thread is just one more invitation to have a snit-fight between the guys who have been bickering on religious threads for the past couple of weeks.

I have no problem with the discussion - so long as one actually occurs. We both know that such a discussion is not going to happen in this thread, given the recent threads and the results.[/quote]

Great! You have your opinion of this and I have mine. That is fine.

However, discussions are happening on these threads all the time in between the “snit fits” as you call them. Look in the Bible itself – Jesus engaged His world – he came against the religious leaders of His day very boldly and was rejected. He gave His disciples instructions to do the same and told us that we too will be rejected.

If you don’t like these threads and believe it is a waste of time, great. Don’t post on them then. Otherwise, as a Christian, you should be supporting others who are trying to get the Word out and not tear us down as we seek to have God work in the lives of these men who need the Lord.

Take care…

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[quote]steveo5801 wrote:
If you don’t like these threads and believe it is a waste of time, great. Don’t post on them then. Otherwise, as a Christian, you should be supporting others who are trying to get the Word out and not tear us down as we seek to have God work in the lives of these men who need the Lord.

Take care…[/quote]

Get out so you can preach to the choir?

Really, if everyone who was uninterested simply ignored you, you wouldn’t be able to get the Word out at all.

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[quote]steveo5801 wrote:
If you keep rejecting God, one day you will learn the truth…
[/quote]

How am I rejecting God?

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
This is the first time I agree with everyrthing Thunderbolt has had to say in a post. Anyone who thinks they are doing “good” by forcing their views on people that don’t care to hear it are extremely foolish and I will try my hardest to make sure that I am not grouped together with them considering how ridiculous their actions truly are.[/quote]

Funny…you never mentioned someone chaining you in front of your computer monitor and ‘forcing their views’ on you. You never mentioned how they forced you to read and respond to this thread. How is that accomplished, Professor?

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[quote]ZEB wrote:
Professor X wrote:
steveo5801 wrote:
Professor X wrote:
This is the first time I agree with everyrthing Thunderbolt has had to say in a post. Anyone who thinks they are doing “good” by forcing their views on people that don’t care to hear it are extremely foolish and I will try my hardest to make sure that I am not grouped together with them considering how ridiculous their actions truly are.

So Prof X, you won’t try to force your views, be it on bodybuilding techniques, policitics, etc. on the rest of us right?

You will practice what you preach right?

WTF? This is A BODYBUILDING FORUM. The idea here is discussion of bodybuilding. How could I try to force my views on anyone when the whole goal is the discussion of these topics?

If it’s a “BODYBUILDING FORUM” then why talk about politics, or wander into the “off topic” threads?

And if every other topic is welcome on this forum by the owner, then who are you to try to stifle anyone’s views on relgion, whatever those views might be?

I thought liberalism was supposed to represent freedom of thought and expression. That only seems to be the case whenever the topic is one accepted by liberals.

[/quote]

Zeb,
You have nailed it. Liberalism is like the ‘Jim Crow’ laws of the post-civil war South. Want to keep slavery? Just give it another name. Want to rule people? Call it ‘Liberalism’. I have maintained all along that liberalism is simply outright Fascism in the making and the desire of Libs to censor is showing this more and more.

You, Terrible Ivan, and Steveo are exposing these guys to the light of day. Outstanding.

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[quote]steveo5801 wrote:

Otherwise, as a Christian, you should be supporting others who are trying to get the Word out and not tear us down as we seek to have God work in the lives of these men who need the Lord.
[/quote]

We can agree to disagree, that is fine - but you really must get over the habit of lecturing people on what a Christian ‘should’ do.

As a matter of God-given common sense, I would not support someone whom I thought was actually setting back the cause of Christianity, no matter how hard they were working.

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[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Professor X wrote:
This is the first time I agree with everyrthing Thunderbolt has had to say in a post. Anyone who thinks they are doing “good” by forcing their views on people that don’t care to hear it are extremely foolish and I will try my hardest to make sure that I am not grouped together with them considering how ridiculous their actions truly are.

Funny…you never mentioned someone chaining you in front of your computer monitor and ‘forcing their views’ on you. You never mentioned how they forced you to read and respond to this thread. How is that accomplished, Professor?

[/quote]

Then let me clarify. You aren’t so much forcing anything as you are misrepresenting a religion of which I am a part of. I am making a very strong stance against the way many of you are “speaking” on the issue. I disagree with your method and your understanding of the teachings of God. You come across as if you believe you are superior to others because you believe in God. If this is still not clear to you, let me know and I will expand on it further. The way you have started threads on the issue disgusts me. You didn’t do this for the glorification of God.

There have been several religious threads on this forum that have gone on for pages that were actually constructive. One of the most powerful I believe was started by Boston Barrister about a year and a half ago. If he didn’t start it, he was one of the stronger contributers in it. The crap you are spewing is beneath it. You aren’t doing good here aside from trying to uplift your own image. If anything, it sickens me that you think you are so holy.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
ZEB wrote:
If it’s a “BODYBUILDING FORUM” then why talk about politics, or wander into the “off topic” threads?

Obviously, if it is a political subdivision of this forum, you discuss politics here. If it is the off topics section, you can discusss what you want. Somehow, this sounds like “make constant daily threads about religion”?[/quote]

YOU said it was a “BODYBUILDING FORUM.” Hence, why do you spend a good share of YOUR time on this forum discussing other things?

It matters not WHAT the thread is about. If the mods let it on then who are YOU to question it’s existance? It sounds more like religious censorship than anything else.

[quote]I thought liberalism was supposed to represent freedom of thought and expression. That only seems to be the case whenever the topic is one accepted by liberals.

You can have all of the freedom of thought you want. Just don’t be surprised when others inform you what a hypocrite you are being. If you are walking around claiming such holy superiority and by doing so misrepresenting a religion and causing even more people to despise it and you in the process, what good are you doing? Most of these threads being created are to glorify yourselves, not for the glorification of God. One day, you may just learn the difference.

[/quote]

Why don’t you take another glance at terribleivan’s original post. Go ahead scroll back right now. How on earth does that represent him being a hypocrit? How can that first post be anything but inspirational to those of us who believe in the power of God?

I think that anyone who wants to begin a thread to talk about the power of God has a right to do so.

Again, did terribleivan attack anyone in that original post? No! This thread was started to simply call attention to how one person coped with a great loss. It was an inspirational thread until YOU and your Atheists friends came aboard attacking. That turned it into something that it was not intended to be.

Congratulations!

As for those who want to start religious threads, I say more power to them! We have had threads on just about every topic that you can think of and I have never heard any sort of objection from you. Ask yourself this pox, how many other threads do you complain about relative to subject matter?

It can get raunchy, violent and out right sick! Yet, you have no problem with those. You either participate in them or simply ignore them. But if someone such as terribleivan begins a thread to discuss “Christian strength during adversity” you are all over him.

The fact that you are here attempting to stop a religious thread from continuing speaks volumes of where you are coming from. It’s not about terribleivan thinking he is “holier than thou.” If that’s what you think you really missed the point. This thread began as a testimony to the power of Christ in someones life during tragedy.

You are not worried about “Christ” not being represented well. You are simply piling on with the Atheists as it’s in your nature to not walk past a good beating and not participate. whether it’s a beating of a Christian or someone else matters not.

HANG YOUR HEAD!