Power of Christ

[quote]terribleivan wrote:
Professor X wrote:
terribleivan wrote:

IF you have accepted Jesus, THEN you are horribly backslidden, and it is time to repent.

You are not God. It is not for you to decide who has turned away from God and the fact that you think this power resides in you to determine these things shows who is truly false around here.

Wow. You are brilliant. I am not God. I have never heard that from you before :wink:

I have judged you by your words and actions. The fact that you refuse to accept any blame for your godless behavior is not my fault. And, I still continue to judge righteous judgement. Unfortunately, your posts have not righteousness to put a postive spin on.

Keep telling yourself that your actions are OK prof. Maybe it’ll make it come true![/quote]

My “Godless” behavior? Why do you think you are better than me?

You know what, forget it. It is pointless and a waste of my time to keep at this because you are clearly not altogether here. You truly think you are some saint among men and that it is your job to point out the faults of others as if yours are so much less. It is sickening to say the least.

[quote]DPH wrote:
ZEB wrote:
DPH wrote:
steveo5801 wrote:
Therefore, when we see a person who rejects the Bible, uses 4-letter words against Bible-believing Christians, advances Evolution over the Genesis account, and thus rejects the literal truth of God’s Word – we can suspect that that person (if he or she claims to be “Christian”) has not been born-again (i.e. is a true Christian) as the Bible says.

to be saved all someone has to do is accept Jesus as their lord and savior…

ACTS (other than accepting Jesus) has NOTHING to do with whether someone is to be saved or not…

you can suspect anything you want, you’re nothing more than a feeble human who has no right to pass judgement on an individuals acts to determine if they are indeed a Christian or not…that is for Jesus, and Jesus only to decide…

your opinions mean jack shit…

Honestly, if you had even a modicum of understanding of the Bible you would not have posted any of this.

ZEB,

I like you and think you’ve made many great contributions to threads on this site…

I know we agree on numerous issues and don’t see eye to eye on many others…

no big deal…

but, it is not your decision, steveo’s, terribleivan’s, or anyone’s but Jesus to decide whether or not I am to be saved…

don’t claim otherwise…[/quote]

HUH?

I never stated that it was my decision who is saved and who is not.

Please don’t confuse this issue anymore than it is.

[quote]vroom wrote:
2 Timothy 3:16

“All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.”

Zeb,

I don’t see any disagreement between my stance and that of Timothy.

I have stated, every time I mention my feelings on it, that it is a map, it offers wisdom, it provides instructions on how to live. It was written by WITNESSES of the era, what else should it be?

However, where I seem to drift away from most people, is that because it is a work of man, then it must be understood that it is up to us to use our wisdom to attempt proper interpretation.

In this light, the fact that my interpretation differs from others does not mean that I am wrong, or false. Who is it that has made it possible for another to decide this?

While there are many points of agreement, and some things are indeed fairly clear, much of the rest conflicts and remains quite murky.

I will say, so you know, that I don’t mind discussion on the topic, especially when it isn’t simply amounting to a game of holier than thou.

I sincerely doubt the purpose of the original posts was anything other than self-aggrandizement. Maybe I’m wrong. It’s no big deal either way.[/quote]

I agree with most of this post vroom. Probably the only exception would be the “murky” part. While there are some murky areas (at least for me). I think that most of it is pretty clear cut.

No?

[quote]Professor X wrote:
Every man falls short. You are no better than any other. It is sad that you think you are.[/quote]

Here is where I think you fall into error regarding that particular poster. Simply because he attempts to correct YOU in one area does not mean that he thinks he is BETTER than YOU.

We as Christians are supposed to do that.

[quote]ZEB wrote:
Professor X wrote:
ZEB wrote:

pox you are just a tad confused.
…As a Christian brother he is simply trying to help you.

What makes you think that I need his help? What makes you think he does not need help? Who are you to tell me where I stand with God? Isn’t that for God alone to decide? You dont know me beyond this internet forum yet you are judging my relationship with God? This is the most self righteous take on scripture I have ever heard in my life. You can’t possibly be this twisted.

I am not judging your relationship with God.

What terribleivan was reacting to was your claim (words from your own mouth) that you visit some sort of sex site. In that vain he was attempting to correct you based upon the Bible as I have already pointed out.

You can take that correction and you can do whatever you like with it. It was only my desire to explain to you WHY he said what he said.

Your constant attack mode is rather tiring but then you have always done that…

[/quote]

Sex site? The sex forum on THIS site is a “sex site”? By association, if I am somehow wrong for visiting one of the features of this site, YOU and HE are just as wrong for also helping to provide more viewers for this site. If you judge me, you also can be judged.

[quote]Professor X wrote:
terribleivan wrote:

IF you have accepted Jesus, THEN you are horribly backslidden, and it is time to repent.

You are not God. It is not for you to decide who has turned away from God and the fact that you think this power resides in you to determine these things shows who is truly false around here.[/quote]

But, YOU have to remember what Paul said when he expelled the immoral brother:

“…put out of your fellowship the man who did this…”

He also said:

…And I have already passed judgment on the one how did this…"

Paul did not think he was God. But he did give us a clear example of how we are to act relative to brothers in the Lord.

I mean no offense and you can skip the usual over reaction and take it down a level from attack mode. :slight_smile:

Again, I am simply trying to say in a different way what terribleivan’s point is.

If I am in error terribleivan or you may correct me. But do so based upon sound Biblical principals.

Ranting and raving with the usual “made for TV” movie lines just does not cut it.

[quote]harris447 wrote:
terribleivan wrote:
harris447 wrote:

So, students, we see that Steve has shown himself to be a self-righteous schmuck three times in four words.

A harris-quaility post with a harris-quality ending.

Yet another example of a tautology: a phrase that has no meaning whatsoever.

[/quote]

I think I understand why you are such an expert in tautology.

Practice makes perfect.

[quote]Professor X wrote:
terribleivan wrote:
Professor X wrote:
terribleivan wrote:

IF you have accepted Jesus, THEN you are horribly backslidden, and it is time to repent.

You are not God. It is not for you to decide who has turned away from God and the fact that you think this power resides in you to determine these things shows who is truly false around here.

Wow. You are brilliant. I am not God. I have never heard that from you before :wink:

I have judged you by your words and actions. The fact that you refuse to accept any blame for your godless behavior is not my fault. And, I still continue to judge righteous judgement. Unfortunately, your posts have not righteousness to put a postive spin on.

Keep telling yourself that your actions are OK prof. Maybe it’ll make it come true!

My “Godless” behavior? Why do you think you are better than me?

You know what, forget it. It is pointless and a waste of my time to keep at this because you are clearly not altogether here. You truly think you are some saint among men and that it is your job to point out the faults of others as if yours are so much less. It is sickening to say the least. [/quote]

Prof X,

Probably is pointless.
That thing about the plank…hypocrites,etc…in Matthew 7:5 just won’t sink in with these guys.

[quote]ZEB wrote:
DPH wrote:
ZEB,

I like you and think you’ve made many great contributions to threads on this site…

I know we agree on numerous issues and don’t see eye to eye on many others…

no big deal…

but, it is not your decision, steveo’s, terribleivan’s, or anyone’s but Jesus to decide whether or not I am to be saved…

don’t claim otherwise…

HUH?

I never stated that it was my decision who is saved and who is not.

Please don’t confuse this issue anymore than it is.
[/quote]

the issue seems to be (I may be mistaken) that I’m supposedly not a Christian because I fall (very) short of Christian ideals…

you, steveo, terribleivan, et all can claim that I’m a crappy person…hell, I wouldn’t even argue that point…but to claim I’m not a Christian because I fall short of what Christian behavior should be like in your eyes is B.S…

my apologies if I have misinterpreted your statements…

[quote]Professor X wrote:

My “Godless” behavior? Why do you think you are better than me?
[/quote]

Once again, I never said I was better than you or anyone else. You’re failure to completely read my posts has tainted your understanding of them.

I am only judging the behavior I have seen from you.

Perhaps you should change it, or stop claiming to be such a strong Christian. Your behavior says otherwise.

[quote]
You know what, forget it. It is pointless and a waste of my time to keep at this because you are clearly not altogether here. You truly think you are some saint among men and that it is your job to point out the faults of others as if yours are so much less. It is sickening to say the least. [/quote]

How am I not there? Have you some biblical chastisment that you are not sharing with me or the others on this thread?

I have chalanged you time and time again to provide a biblical basis for your claims that I am “not altogether there”, yet you fail to do so. I, however, have shown that you know very little about the Christian faith or the Bible.

Sorry to have offended you, but your perversions of Christianity are “sickening to say the least”.

[quote]ZEB wrote:
harris447 wrote:
terribleivan wrote:
harris447 wrote:

So, students, we see that Steve has shown himself to be a self-righteous schmuck three times in four words.

A harris-quaility post with a harris-quality ending.

Yet another example of a tautology: a phrase that has no meaning whatsoever.

I think I understand why you are such an expert in tautology.

Practice makes perfect.

[/quote]

Please point out one.

Otherwise, shut your fucking mouth.

[quote]ZEB wrote:
Professor X wrote:
terribleivan wrote:

IF you have accepted Jesus, THEN you are horribly backslidden, and it is time to repent.

You are not God. It is not for you to decide who has turned away from God and the fact that you think this power resides in you to determine these things shows who is truly false around here.

But, YOU have to remember what Paul said when he expelled the immoral brother:

“…put out of your fellowship the man who did this…”

He also said:

…And I have already passed judgment on the one how did this…"

Paul did not think he was God. But he did give us a clear example of how we are to act relative to brothers in the Lord.

I mean no offense and you can skip the usual over reaction and take it down a level from attack mode. :slight_smile:

Again, I am simply trying to say in a different way what terribleivan’s point is.

If I am in error terribleivan or you may correct me. But do so based upon sound Biblical principals.

Ranting and raving with the usual “made for TV” movie lines just does not cut it.

[/quote]

You are not in error. You have done a good job of explaining my biblical view of human judgement. It is almost like we’ve got the same understanding of judgement by reading the same Bible. Go figure.

And, of course, I hold myself to the same standard. If I fail, tell me, and I will admit my failure and repent.

[quote]Go-Rilla wrote:
Professor X wrote:
terribleivan wrote:
Professor X wrote:
terribleivan wrote:

IF you have accepted Jesus, THEN you are horribly backslidden, and it is time to repent.

You are not God. It is not for you to decide who has turned away from God and the fact that you think this power resides in you to determine these things shows who is truly false around here.

Wow. You are brilliant. I am not God. I have never heard that from you before :wink:

I have judged you by your words and actions. The fact that you refuse to accept any blame for your godless behavior is not my fault. And, I still continue to judge righteous judgement. Unfortunately, your posts have not righteousness to put a postive spin on.

Keep telling yourself that your actions are OK prof. Maybe it’ll make it come true!

My “Godless” behavior? Why do you think you are better than me?

You know what, forget it. It is pointless and a waste of my time to keep at this because you are clearly not altogether here. You truly think you are some saint among men and that it is your job to point out the faults of others as if yours are so much less. It is sickening to say the least.

Prof X,

Probably is pointless.
That thing about the plank…hypocrites,etc…in Matthew 7:5 just won’t sink in with these guys.

[/quote]

LOL - Yet another selective picker of the Bible! You guys are too much :wink:

Tell me Go - am I wrong? Or, have you accepted the Bible in its entireity? In fact, are you a Christian, or am I getting a Bible lesson from a pagen?

[quote]Go-Rilla wrote:

Probably is pointless.
That thing about the plank…hypocrites,etc…in Matthew 7:5 just won’t sink in with these guys.

[/quote]

Both of the scriptures that you mention speak to FIRST removing that very same sin from YOUR own life, BEFORE you correct a brother Christian.

No one and I mean no one (me included) likes to be corrected about anything. BUT…when I fall (not if) it’s nice to know that there will be a brother Christian there to alert me to this fact which is of great help.

Stop taking scripture out of context.

Thank you.

[quote]ZEB wrote:

Hey, how are things in Austria currently?

[/quote]

Pretty much the same, the power base that helped Haider has a new front named Karl Heinz Strache, but the unwashed masses love it, like they always do…

KHS even has the same ghost writer Haider had…

God, people are so incredibly stupid…

[quote]DPH wrote:
ZEB wrote:
DPH wrote:
ZEB,

I like you and think you’ve made many great contributions to threads on this site…

I know we agree on numerous issues and don’t see eye to eye on many others…

no big deal…

but, it is not your decision, steveo’s, terribleivan’s, or anyone’s but Jesus to decide whether or not I am to be saved…

don’t claim otherwise…

HUH?

I never stated that it was my decision who is saved and who is not.

Please don’t confuse this issue anymore than it is.

the issue seems to be (I may be mistaken) that I’m supposedly not a Christian because I fall (very) short of Christian ideals…

you, steveo, terribleivan, et all can claim that I’m a crappy person…hell, I wouldn’t even argue that point…but to claim I’m not a Christian because I fall short of what Christian behavior should be like in your eyes is B.S…

my apologies if I have misinterpreted your statements…[/quote]

DPH - please answer a couple questions so we understand where you are coming from:

  1. Are you a Christian?

  2. Do you know your Bible (i.e., do you read and study it)?

  3. Do you attend a church or othewise associate with other Christians? If yes, please elaborate?

Thanks!

[quote]ZEB wrote:
Go-Rilla wrote:

Probably is pointless.
That thing about the plank…hypocrites,etc…in Matthew 7:5 just won’t sink in with these guys.

Both of the scriptures that you mention speak to FIRST removing that very same sin from YOUR own life, BEFORE you correct a brother Christian.

No one and I mean no one (me included) likes to be corrected about anything. BUT…when I fall (not if) it’s nice to know that there will be a brother Christian there to alert me to this fact which is of great help.

Stop taking scripture out of context.

Thank you.

[/quote]

Read and think about the text found in
Matthew 6: 1-8.

You are getting a lot of attention that I’m sure makes you feel important in your own eyes. At the same time I’d be interested to know if anyone has contacted you about how they might give their hearts to Christ based on your behavior in this forum.

[quote]Go-Rilla wrote:
ZEB wrote:
Go-Rilla wrote:

Probably is pointless.
That thing about the plank…hypocrites,etc…in Matthew 7:5 just won’t sink in with these guys.

Both of the scriptures that you mention speak to FIRST removing that very same sin from YOUR own life, BEFORE you correct a brother Christian.

No one and I mean no one (me included) likes to be corrected about anything. BUT…when I fall (not if) it’s nice to know that there will be a brother Christian there to alert me to this fact which is of great help.

Stop taking scripture out of context.

Thank you.

Read and think about the text found in
Matthew 6: 1-8.

You are getting a lot of attention that I’m sure makes you feel important in your own eyes. At the same time I’d be interested to know if anyone has contacted you about how they might give their hearts to Christ based on your behavior in this forum.

[/quote]

Those verses seem out of context with this thread. Please explain your thoughts. Also, please answer my previous post.

Zeb (and Ivan),

If you are willing to grant that the bible is a work that requires interpretation, then you will have to grant that I have the ability to interpret it differently than you at times.

This means we can all, in good conscience, be acting as we see appropriate, but be in disagreement. This is an important insight.

Zeb, sometimes the ability for another to have a differing view but still be following the correct path is excluded from possibility around here. You only have to read Ivan’s post to see that.

Ivan’s interpretation is exclusionary, such that if you don’t agree with his viewpoint on everything, well then, you can’t really be a Christian.

Ivan also feels that there is no source of information, no source of wisdom, other than the bible itself. He reveres it, placing it above man, on a level with God, and that is wrong.

As quoted to me above, it is a source of instruction, it is a source of wisdom, it helps one know how to live correctly. However, it is very difficult to know exactly how to apply it in our lives today.

Let me try to tell a little story, a small illustration, as that is the way this whole thing works anyway.

Let’s say you are drawing a picture with a dot matrix printer. Let’s say it has a low resolution and no color. You may do the best you can to reproduce the original image, but it will be greatly lacking.

So, we have the wisdom and grace of God, and we have the minds of men. The bible is of course of low resolution and lacking color, and we are left with only what the human mind can both grasp and relate.

Further, there is no way to pass a message into and out of a mans mind without the message being viewed through the lens of the mind of the person hearing it. You only have to look at how a simple statement here can be interpreted by each reader in a different way.

So, to understand the bible, not only do we have to realize that it is of very low resolution compared to reality, it is also slanted based on the minds of those that wrote it.

If this is so, and I believe it is, then I have a lot of leeway to decide what may be artifacts of the minds of men of the time and what may truly be the messages intended for us.

Please, show me where I am mistaken, but you’ll have to avoid simply claiming that the bible is the literal word of God, because I do not accept that.

[Note: Ivan, where in the hell did you ever get the idea that I have rejected the life, death and rebirth of Christ? This is just another example of the lens of the mind seeing what it expects to see instead of reality!]

[quote]terribleivan wrote:
DPH - please answer a couple questions so we understand where you are coming from:
[/quote]

not that it’s any of your business…

but…

yes…I’ve said so in other threads too…

I’ve read the NIV Bible from cover to cover…but make no claim to be any sort of an expert, far form it in fact…

I am non-denominational…but I do associate with other Christians…

P.S. I don’t need your stamp of approval to consider myself a Christian…as to whether I am to be saved or not…that’s between me and my maker…