Power Athletes?

Training Powerlifting
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lol, thanks swivel.

Rowers and speed skaters would probally be up there in regards to ‘doing the most work in short time period.’

I should be careful how I word things! lol

I see it a lot, people often confuse power with force (or torque).

I think we can agree that a road or track bike is one of the best machines/tools that a person could use to do a lot of work.
I think the ‘retract’ portion of rowing is too much (time of each cycle) to allow for high power outputs. I could be wrong though.

I do find it interesting how olympic lifters can generate upwards of 5,000watts of peak power. I need to get into that kind of training.

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I’m going to throw the caber toss for the Highland games into the mix. Especially the challenge caber. An athlete has to pick the caber balance, then walk, trot, and sprint for a distance before coming to a complete stop and as Dan John puts it, perform a olympic lift with the implement. The challenge caber can be as long as 20 feet and weight close to 200 lbs in some cases.

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[quote]SWR-1222D wrote:
Okay, since you’re not getting the point, lets use a simple lever as an example, since we all agree that the bike adds leverage, and the athlete is putting all of the power into the bike him/herself.

Big rock on the left, fulcrum in the middle, guy using his own force to lift the rock on the right.

We measure the power of accelerating the rock over a certain distance for a set amount of time.

fulcrum is close to man, he puts lots of power into the lever, but there’s not a lot of power going into the rock, so the rock moves slowly for a short distance.

Fulcrum in closer to rock, man puts less of his own power into the lever, the power going into the rock is MUCH greater, rock accelerates quickly, goes farther.

The man is able to produce more power tha.n any other athlete on the face of the earth because the lever was designed to produce the best results.

Yea for the man working the lever.

I know you still won’t get my point, but it’s fun reading all the responses anyway. I can almost feel the blood pressure rising as I read some of these posts.

Your turn. [/quote]

So you are basically saying that a machine does not increase power output, but that by choosing the right machine for the job, you are “optimizing” your power. OK, I said that 3 pages ago.

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[quote]KiloSprinter wrote:
DeepRiver wrote:
You guys seem a lot like those bikers I see going down the narrow two lane roads on Saturday mornings. The ones that you can’t pass because there isn’t room, the ones that think that tough shit for going so fast in a bike, the ones that make me want to open the door and knock them out.

I respect your athletic ability, but damn some bikers can be annoying.

Why do you think this?

If there is a single rider on the side of road, and you can’t pass, it’s not his problem or his responsibilty to stop and let you pass. If he is following the laws, he has every right to ride there.
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I do have a question. Lets say I’m at an intersection about to make a right hand turn on a green light, does the cyclist in the street flying up on my right side supposed to just go right through the intersection? I know that I would have to stop for a pedestrian on the sidewalk, but if you are in the street in a bike lane going 20 mph, or even just on the shoulder?

And are cyclists supposed to be able to ride between the lanes to pass cars?

And if there is a posted minimum speed for cars, do cyclists have to do that too.

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[quote]mertdawg wrote:
I do have a question. Lets say I’m at an intersection about to make a right hand turn on a green light, does the cyclist in the street flying up on my right side supposed to just go right through the intersection? I know that I would have to stop for a pedestrian on the sidewalk, but if you are in the street in a bike lane going 20 mph, or even just on the shoulder? [/quote]

techinically the cyclist is not suppose to pass traffic on the right, but very few riders obey that rule. If I were in car in that situation, I would wait if there was a rider coming up behind me as I waited to turn right, just to aviod hitting them. But it’s the rider’s fault for passing on the right in that situation.

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And are cyclists supposed to be able to ride between the lanes to pass cars?

And if there is a posted minimum speed for cars, do cyclists have to do that too. [/quote]

I don’t know the exact laws, but I would say that it is not legal for cyclists to pass inbetween lanes of cars.

The only roads around here that have minumum speed limits are interstate highways which bikes are not allowed on.
I still don’t believe the minimum speed limit applies to bikes, if there is such a road. Obviously, you can’t ride at 30+mph for any real sustained duration.

check your local laws on this stuff

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[quote]mertdawg wrote:
I do have a question. Lets say I’m at an intersection about to make a right hand turn on a green light, does the cyclist in the street flying up on my right side supposed to just go right through the intersection? I know that I would have to stop for a pedestrian on the sidewalk, but if you are in the street in a bike lane going 20 mph, or even just on the shoulder?[/quote]

bonehead move if you’re not fast enough to be gone before you piss off the driver. that said i do it all the time.

no filtering is illegal. that said i do it all the time to keep momentum and get through lights rather than be a dickhead and get out into the lane and try to assert my space and piss people off cause i can’t get up to 30 by halfway through the intersection when the light goes green and they decide they just have to bark like a dog into your ear or call you a fuckin faggit or flick lit cigarettes or drop a strawberry frosty on your head when they go by. and if traffic allows i’ll run the light every time for the same reason. when you’re on a bike you’re invisible anyway so you gotta ride to be gone before they even know you’re there. that’s how i ride. trying to act like i got a right to the road doesn’t make sense. i mean i do have a right but it ain’t worth trying to assert it cause drivers can turn completely frothing murderous if you hold them up for 10 seconds. #1 rule when riding is stay away from pickups at all times.

yes. a guy in the next town over got ticketed for doing 58 in a 35 on a recumbent. also this:

February 21, 2003
Cipollini fined for speeding

Italian world champion Mario Cipollini is in trouble with the law for doing 90km/h on a motorway bypass? on his bicycle! The Lion King was training with Domina Vacanze team-mate Mario Scirea in Livorno when he got pulled over.

According to Italian newspaper Gazzetta dello Sport, Cipollini and Scirea were fined 63 euros each after being spotted drafting behind a car on a highway forbidden to bicycles.

The incident is reminiscent of last year?s Gent-Wevelgem ? won by the same Cipollini: Belgian police were left scratching their heads after riders streaking through a village triggering radar flash-photos normally intended for speeding motorists. In the end, the Justice Minister himself had to intervene to wipe out the 100-euro fines intended for the guilty peleton.
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He was talking about minimum speed limits, but yes, cyclists are suppose to obey maximum speed limits just like cars.

I regularly get up to 57mph down a hill in town, it’s a 25 zone, so if there is a cop I am SOL, I would assume.

I agree with the idea of riding as if you are invisible. I will jump a red light as long as it is safe, just so that I am not accelerating at the same time as the cars. The only time I take up a car lane is if I am making a left turn in the turn lane, you really have no other choice in that situation.

I just got back from a ride, and I must say there are some idiot bikers out there. I am setting up to do a sprint, going about 30, then two cyclists pull out on the road in front of me and remain in middle of the lane. I was pissed because I was just about to do a sprint, and this jackass is riding in the middle of the road so it makes it hard for to pass. He looked like we was a casual recreational rider, and should know better. I gave him a piece of my mind, then did my sprint. There was absolutely no reason for him to be riding on the yellow line. Good thing I wasn’t a speeding car.

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The spandex crowd is on the Testosterone forums now… Bragging about how much power they can generate on their bikes… The End is near.

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[quote]Cream wrote:
The spandex crowd is on the Testosterone forums now… Bragging about how much power they can generate on their bikes… The End is near.[/quote]

with your logic, the entire NFL is a bunch of 12 yr old girls groping each other.

your statement is also an oxymoron. generating sh*tloads of power requires a ton of aggression and testosterone.

I’m not bragging about how much power I can generate. My purpose was to see what other sports require very powerful athletes.

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someone say spandex crowd ?

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http://images.t-nation.com/forum_images/./1/.1123541672813.nelson-vails.jpg

that’s my boy nelson !

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frickn spandex.

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btw how do your wheels compare to hers ?

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http://images.t-nation.com/forum_images/./1/.1123542509356.0_Day3_Competition_007.jpg

my boy chris says

“geez it kinda smarts when your calves rub together”.

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Buncha 28" thighed pencilnecks :stuck_out_tongue:

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[quote]swivel wrote:
btw how do your wheels compare to hers ?[/quote]

edit croiky ! the best two pics didn’t load ! ah well guess it’s left to the imagination ! ooops sorry ! ya prolly don’t have one !

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what a pansy a$$ sport…lightweights

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[quote]swivel wrote:
someone say spandex crowd ?[/quote]

the rider on the left, Jamie Staff, broke the bottom bracket out of the frame of his bike at the world championship a year ago. what a weak bastard!

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all of these homos break bottom brackets, snap cranks, whatever.

staff used to kick ass in bmx. not sure if he still rides.

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Kilo~

Enough is enough.

I think you are missing the point. The legs in the pictures are beautiful. We all agree. So are all of the bodybuilders in the world…

But, have you ever seen a bodybuilder do plyometrics? It is a freakin’ travesty!!!

Ever seen a bodybuilder do anything athletic…ugh!!!

So having pretty legs is fine, but it doesn’t equal athletic. Go to the NFL training thread and look at some of those legs… not very impressive across the board…until you realize that these men can produce huge sums of force in propulsion…so they fly and can hit with extreme power…

I quit posting on this very topic not because I don’t think you are right…you are…totally correct. Hypertrophy is generated in extreme bouts of 25-70 seconds of TUT… that is right where you all train often…no?

So, it would make sense that your legs would be sweet… damned sweet.

Unfortunately Kilo, I think you are missing everyone else’s point.

I think we all agree that sprint bikers can produce more power over 10-20 seconds than any other athlete…you have argued this well.

We all acquiece.

Unfortuantely, you also admitted that while you personally can generate all of this anaerobic power, you have a 17" vertical.

Beautiful legs? Check.
Huge calves? Check.
In shape? Check.
Can produce extreme Power? Check.

17" veritcal…huh?

I know you were a “distance guy” previously. But, you come on here talking all of this anaerobic power smack…

Then retort, I don’t train for vertical, blah, blah, blah…well buddy, neither do I… but, it is a byproduct of power training…plain and simple…

Guess what, I am going to lay it down all simple -like for you…

If my wife had a 17" vertical, A) I would ban her from playing any sports at all picnics for fear of total humiliation, and B) I would have to seriosuly rethink my “natural selection process”.

Now, she was a DI V-Baller who lined up across from Gabby Reece giving up quite a few inches…so she can soar, but c’mon man!!!

Guy with a 17" vertical begging for anaerobic power props…good lord.

Guess what, you got’em.

You can produce far more power than me, or Dave Tate, or Ben Johnson, or Michael Jordan, or Terrell Owens…

You win…

And, when the world’s best anaerobic athletes start competing in your sport, and the guys in the pictures still dominate, we will all stand in awe… I was trying to avoid the two words that apply to so many of these non-mainstream sports: talent pool?

This is a whole other topic, but you get the point…

So kilo, you win… I am not sure what the prize is, but you win…

Can we move on now…?