[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
SUCROSE AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
SUCROSE = backbone of Iraq’s WMD program.
SUCROSE IZ DA LUCIFERZZZ[/quote]
AND
[quote]HK24719 wrote:
Please, tell us what “SUCROSE” will do to us?[/quote]
= BWaaaahahahahahahahahahah!!! these guys wont be coming back to post
[quote]K-Man32 wrote:
I just had 2 pints of whole chocolate milk after legs today. It was delicious.[/quote]
that better not be surcose chocolate milk!
[quote]chimera182 wrote:
[quote]greenhopper wrote:
I had a blueberry muffin today. Is that good?[/quote]
Seriously? You can’t think of anything better for postworkout than a muffin?[/quote]
hahaahahaa that made me laugh so much!
Do you guys even have a purpose posting a comment on here? The point of it is to get the OP to get the shit out of his mindset and diet.
Do I really need to explain why sucrose is bad on tmuscle?
Ya, it’s a little over the top and the fructose isn’t going to kill him, but honestly, saying a little of it here and there isn’t okay. If you’ve ever given anyone advise you know that they will either hold to it like a bible, or cheat, either a lot or a little. If not I’m basically saying the muffin/gaterade wouldn’t be so bad w/ Anaconda now and again. Honestly. I give advise the same way I hear it. Who is the person, what are they doing to help me, does it make sense, etc.
If I have to break it down this small for everyone… OP, have some dedication or don’t talk about needing PWO help…
Appreciate all the responses. Sorry BT - I take my comment back. I guess you do know what you are talking about. About myself:
I am 163 lbs currently. I am a boxer. I do conditioning 6 days/week - two of which are sparring. I lift 3 days/week. I am quite lean, with very low body fat. I would like to gain some lean mass, maybe come up to around 165 - but nothing more. My main focus is competing and maintaining my body weight.
[quote]fmaurice wrote:
Do you guys even have a purpose posting a comment on here? The point of it is to get the OP to get the shit out of his mindset and diet.
Do I really need to explain why sucrose is bad on tmuscle?
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Yes, in the context of peri workout, what harm is there in it?
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Ya, it’s a little over the top and the fructose isn’t going to kill him, but honestly, saying a little of it here and there isn’t okay. If you’ve ever given anyone advise you know that they will either hold to it like a bible, or cheat, either a lot or a little. If not I’m basically saying the muffin/gaterade wouldn’t be so bad w/ Anaconda now and again. Honestly. I give advise the same way I hear it. Who is the person, what are they doing to help me, does it make sense, etc.
If I have to break it down this small for everyone… OP, have some dedication or don’t talk about needing PWO help… [/quote]
And the rest of your post… I don’t understand.
Gatorade I need because I sweat a lot during conditioning and I want to give my system electrolytes.
Okay - PWO grape juice is out. Now tell me what to take instead of it. I want some whole food so I can also get the calories. As I mentioned I have a fast metabolism and I lose weight very easily.
Also here is a video you guys will enjoy. It helps to keep things in perspective. Sometimes we get caught up in being too scientific and specific.
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
SUCROSE = backbone of Iraq’s WMD program.
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It’s true. One molecule of sucrose contains enough nucleons for 1.43 isotopes of Pu-239. Scary shit.
[quote]greenhopper wrote:
I am 163 lbs currently. I am a boxer. I do conditioning 6 days/week - two of which are sparring. I lift 3 days/week. I am quite lean, with very low body fat. I would like to gain some lean mass, maybe come up to around 165 - but nothing more.
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If your ultimate goal is to gain 2 pounds, you’re overthinking this. Low reps with a quick eccentric maybe what you need to get stronger with minimal size gain. And aren’t there ways to shed water weight for weigh-in? If you learn that, you can get a bit above that weight.
[quote]fmaurice wrote:
Do you guys even have a purpose posting a comment on here? The point of it is to get the OP to get the shit out of his mindset and diet.
Do I really need to explain why sucrose is bad on tmuscle?
Ya, it’s a little over the top and the fructose isn’t going to kill him, but honestly, saying a little of it here and there isn’t okay. If you’ve ever given anyone advise you know that they will either hold to it like a bible, or cheat, either a lot or a little. If not I’m basically saying the muffin/gaterade wouldn’t be so bad w/ Anaconda now and again. Honestly. I give advise the same way I hear it. Who is the person, what are they doing to help me, does it make sense, etc.
If I have to break it down this small for everyone… OP, have some dedication or don’t talk about needing PWO help… [/quote]
this doesnt make much sense… and your 5’9 160 with no pics… just sayin
[quote]fmaurice wrote:
Do you guys even have a purpose posting a comment on here? The point of it is to get the OP to get the shit out of his mindset and diet.
Do I really need to explain why sucrose is bad on tmuscle?
Ya, it’s a little over the top and the fructose isn’t going to kill him, but honestly, saying a little of it here and there isn’t okay. If you’ve ever given anyone advise you know that they will either hold to it like a bible, or cheat, either a lot or a little. If not I’m basically saying the muffin/gaterade wouldn’t be so bad w/ Anaconda now and again. Honestly. I give advise the same way I hear it. Who is the person, what are they doing to help me, does it make sense, etc.
If I have to break it down this small for everyone… OP, have some dedication or don’t talk about needing PWO help… [/quote]
You really have a lot more to learn.
[quote]fmaurice wrote:
Dude, take your creatine PWO, just w your shake. If you have carbs PWO, kill the gaterade. NEVER put it in your system again You might as well have some Starbucks, that way you get a little protein from the skim milk. DO YOU KNOW WHAT SUCROSE WILL TO DO YOU?? Also, get maltodextrin or dextrose. Get rid of the juices, it’s pure sugar. You aren’t even using any “good” juice either. Don’t ask what good juice is, just don’t have any…
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Sucrose is 50% glucose, I highly doubt he’s sucking down nearly enough sucrose from gatorade and juices to reach the ridiculous levels of consumption at which fructose becomes an issue. I’m sure you didn’t realize that there was a dose-dependency, well, because you’re an idiot.
[quote]fmaurice wrote:
If you’re bulking (creatine is used for both, but seems most ppl use it in a bulk) Use Dextrose/Malto. I use dextrose, tho I’ve been told malto makes the shakes a little bit ‘creamier’. If you can afford gaterade, you can afford this. 2 gaterades go for $3, you get 15(!!!) servings of 30g dextrose for less than $3/lb.
If cutting and using creatine (first off, please don’t tell me you’re cutting w/ muffins, juice and salty-sugared wanna-be “athletic” drinks… wtf) just take it PWO once again and utilize your bodies insulin like effect of it.
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Explain to me exactly what our bodie’s “insulin like effect of creatine” is.
[quote]fmaurice wrote:
Don’t be dumb man[/quote]
You’re right, you’ve done enough. Any more stupid and this thread might collapse.
-Gregon
What’s my height/weight have to do with it? I’m not saying I’m I’m huge at 200 lbs and 7% bf at my height or anything. I’ll get some pics on here If you think I’m some scrawny ass dude worse than 160 lol (true, could use more weight, not scrawny though)
-HK24719
Are you a trainer or nutritionist or something? What’re you getting at?
-Stronghold
What’s your definition of an issue, as far as fructose consumption? If you knew how it was stored in the body and the max levels usually stored you’d realize it was an issue.
[quote]just take it PWO once again and utilize your bodies insulin like effect of it.[/quote] This is in reference to your bodies insulin like effect of lifting, not of creatine, that will allow the creatine to be absorbed better than another time during the day.
I know how fructose is metabolized (fructose is not “stored” as fructose) and the only human studies showing ill effects from fructose consumption have involved colossal dosages well outside a moderate intake of 50-90g/day for hard training individuals.
Insulin like effect of lifting?
Want to try that again?
Never said it was stored in the body, as fructose. The problem is when your glycogen stores in our liver are filled, from basically every carb source you intake, the fructose in the body is incredibly easily turned to trigs in the blood. Very few people kill off their glycogen stores in their liver during training, therefor the last bit you intake, from juice/gaterade is turned into fat. Pretty simple.
"So what are some practical ways to manipulate insulin sensitivity?
JB â?? Well, typically I’ve seen tremendous increases in insulin sensitivity with 3-4 intense weight training sessions per week, lasting 1 hour per session. These sessions should be coupled with at least 3-4 aerobic sessions lasting 30 minutes per week. To really target insulin sensitivity, you would perform these sessions separately."
This is referred to as the insulin like effect of strength training. Anyone who take a personal trainer certification has to know this, and anyone getting a degree related to fitness should know this as well.
You don’t even have to go to google on this one.
Or just search fructose here and read a bit.
[quote]fmaurice wrote:
Never said it was stored in the body, as fructose. The problem is when your glycogen stores in our liver are filled, from basically every carb source you intake, the fructose in the body is incredibly easily turned to trigs in the blood. Very few people kill off their glycogen stores in their liver during training, therefor the last bit you intake, from juice/gaterade is turned into fat. Pretty simple.
"So what are some practical ways to manipulate insulin sensitivity?
JB â?? Well, typically I’ve seen tremendous increases in insulin sensitivity with 3-4 intense weight training sessions per week, lasting 1 hour per session. These sessions should be coupled with at least 3-4 aerobic sessions lasting 30 minutes per week. To really target insulin sensitivity, you would perform these sessions separately."
This is referred to as the insulin like effect of strength training. Anyone who take a personal trainer certification has to know this, and anyone getting a degree related to fitness should know this as well.
You don’t even have to go to google on this one.
Or just search fructose here and read a bit.[/quote]
sorry fmaurice but I think you must be confusing ‘insulin sensitivity’ with ‘insulin like effect’… it’s an accute vs chronic thing
Lifting has no “insulin-like effect”, that would reply that lifting in of itself facilitates the uptake of glucose into muscle cells without the presence of insulin, which it does not. Resistance training activates glucose transport proteins within muscle cells, increasing the effectiveness of insulin.
Instead of showing me some articles with misinterpreted research and conjecture (rats are not people!), why don’t you look into it yourself. Find me ONE study where low to moderate levels of fructose consumption makes PEOPLE sick or fat. You won’t find it. You will find research demonstrating a safe daily intake of 50-90g.
Honestly the site posts were my lazy effort to explain it, didn’t want to bust out the training and performance books from school in my garage and cite the shit, that no one would believe anyway.
Couldn’t find an article talking about it on here, but only searched through 3 pages of the search tool…
Also, sorry about the rats, like I said, searching and skimming very lazy. Actually just posted about rats (do not =ppl) in another thread, so forgive me for that…
[quote]Stronghold wrote:
Lifting has no “insulin-like effect”, that would reply that lifting in of itself facilitates the uptake of glucose into muscle cells without the presence of insulin, which it does not. Resistance training activates glucose transport proteins within muscle cells, increasing the effectiveness of insulin.[/quote]
Whooooooaaaaa there. You totally contradicted yourself. If muscle contraction induces GLUT4 translocation, why the hell do you need insulin? You’ve got glucose floating around in the blood stream, you’ve got proteins to transport them into the muscle. Bingo bongo.
So yeah, training DOES increase glucose uptake in muscle. Without insulin. Here’s a study! 
http://ajpendo.physiology.org/cgi/content/full/277/4/E733
Apparently y’all missed this on the first page, I guess I wasn’t waving my arms around enough when I said it.
[quote]wfifer wrote:
Exercise increases uptake of glucose in skeletal muscle independent of insulin. [/quote]
[quote]wfifer wrote:
[quote]Stronghold wrote:
Lifting has no “insulin-like effect”, that would reply that lifting in of itself facilitates the uptake of glucose into muscle cells without the presence of insulin, which it does not. Resistance training activates glucose transport proteins within muscle cells, increasing the effectiveness of insulin.[/quote]
Whooooooaaaaa there. You totally contradicted yourself. If muscle contraction induces GLUT4 translocation, why the hell do you need insulin? You’ve got glucose floating around in the blood stream, you’ve got proteins to transport them into the muscle. Bingo bongo.
So yeah, training DOES increase glucose uptake in muscle. Without insulin. Here’s a study!
http://ajpendo.physiology.org/cgi/content/full/277/4/E733
Apparently y’all missed this on the first page, I guess I wasn’t waving my arms around enough when I said it.
[quote]wfifer wrote:
Exercise increases uptake of glucose in skeletal muscle independent of insulin. [/quote]
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Interesting. Thanks for posting that…I remembered reading that but it must have slipped my mind (distracted posting is a bad thing!). It still is somewhat irrelevant to Maurice’s assertion since creatine is not transported by GLUT4 proteins.
Fmaurice, still waiting on you to explain how 50-75g of sucrose (and therefore, 25-37g of fructose) is bad.