[quote]Singhbuilder wrote:
To avoid creating a new thread I am going to post in this one.
The title pretty much sums up whats happened.
I did a 13 week cycle of tren and test, I know 13 weeks of tren is a bad idea.
it looked like this:
Wk 1-7 Tri-Test 600mg/wk
Wk 1-7 Tri Tren 600mg/wk
Wk 3-7 Masteron prop 300mg/wk
Wk 7-13 Test Prop 350mg/wk
Wk 7-13 Tren Ace 350mg/wk
Wk 7-13 Winstrol 350mg/wk
Adex (pharm grade) was used throughout at .5mg EOD.
Started PCT 4 days after test prop jab, PCT was clomid 100/50/50 and nolva 20/20/20/20.
It is now the 5th week and I have continued using the nolva as there is no sign of recovery.
Lactation has also occured but in small amounts, little to none gyno too but libido is DEAD. No sex drive at all and difficult to get erection.
I have had blood work done to test for prolactin, estradiol, LH, FSH, Testosterone but these results will take at least 10 days to get back. The Doc has also reffered me to an endocrinologist but yet again this will take a couple of weeks.
What should I do? I have read that high prolactin levels can be induced by high estrogen so maybe I need to up the dose of the nolva?
I have adex and hCG on hand, cannot get any caber unfortunately.
Do you guys think I should just wait for the results and appointment or do something now?[/quote]
If I remember rightly, you ran TWO cycles almost back to back. I think that’s the cause of your problems. Did you not use HCG in that last cycle, I’m pretty sure I told you to last time. IF your prolactin is high, then you may want to try bromocriptine or cabaser to get it under control, combined with a short course of HCG to get the balls up and running, and get back on the SERM and keep running it till you feel better. You may want to try clomid as the serm either alone or in combo with nolva.
This is why people who want to be on for months on end dont come off. THey blast and cruise.
The above advice may be good but Id wait to see the blood test results before trying random things
edit my above post. For some reason I thought I read that you did a 17 week cycle. Sorry about that.
13 weeks is longer than i prefer but it isnt a crazy cycle.
MG, they cycles were not done back to back. From what I can remember I felt recovered and I did have time off before hitting this cycle. Yes I did use hCG this cycle for the last 4 weeks at 250iu 2x/wk. Doesnt seem to have made a difference. Its the libido issue thats fucking me, at least with lactation we can conclude that its a prolactin problem. I have no source for carbergoline or selegline though…
BONEZ, had the bloods done a couple of days ago so still a while to go.
MG, I do have clomid on hand as well as adex and hCG. I can get these anytime, just a problem with the caber.
I know BONEZ no caber = no tren but its done now.
Do not assume because you are lactating slightly that your prolactin is elevated. Wait for the blood test results, I did hint at this in my previous post.
When I said back to back, I meant with little time off in between, if I remember rightly it was only about four weeks off time and you had done another 12 week cycle previously. Its not that relevant, other than you should take a good deal of time off when you do recover. If you don’t run HCG from the start of a cycle, then it is pointless IMO. If your testicles are in good shape, then the standard low dose 2x per week HCG is fine. Once you get significant atrophy, they are less likely to respond to this dose. The only way to know for certain that you are responding to HCG post cycle is blood work whilst using the HCG.
I would be prepared for a long recovery though, it could take a few months to feel normal again. And I wouldn’t start counting OFF time till you are completely recovered. Remember though, it may take a while, but the odds are you WILL recover given enough time, some sensible PCT drug use and some patience.
I also forgot to say that you should be able to get hold of bromocriptine much cheaper and easier than caber.
Ok, I will wait for the blood test results. What should I be doing in the mean time? I will continue my nolva at 20mg and clomid at 50mg, should I use the hCG? If so, what protocol do you recommened? I remember Bill Roberts saying using high doses of hCG is dangerous to the leydig cells.
I have also ordered some Caber from an online pharm in AUS. Considering I am in the UK, it will probably take around 2 weeks for this to arrive too!
That was also my fear, I dont think I will see my results. I will only get a verdict from the doc.
BBB, is this a trusted source of yours?
They offer the same Cabergoline I bought about a year ago. That caber did not work, its kinda put me off. Have you tried caber or selegiline from this site with satisfacation of it being real?
[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
[quote]Singhbuilder wrote:
I have also ordered some Caber from an online pharm in AUS. Considering I am in the UK, it will probably take around 2 weeks for this to arrive too![/quote]
Can get you selegeline I believe. They are in India, but don’t let that put you off 
And to everyone who says ‘wait for blood results’ I say that of course you are correct, except that I don’t believe his bloodtests will be given to him. The doc will say ‘you are fine’ just as long as you are ‘in range’.
IMO that doesn’t afford enough info to make an accurated diagnosis.
Hopefully I’m wrong though, and the NHS will be a triumphant boon to your recovery
BBB
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IF you insist on getting a copy of the results, the doctor is required by law to give them to you. There are medical laws relevant to this, but it is also covered by the data protection act since the NHS went digital. In my experience though, you are much more likely to get a copy without having to do anything drastic just by being as nice as possible.
As for HCG protocols, I think the most sensible one is 300iu per day until your test levels are back up, (a once a week test would do to find that out). The last study I read on HCG showed this protocol to be the most beneficial with the lowest risk of leydig desensitisation compared to the classic 1000iu plus blasts. I believe I posted it a while back while discussing HCG in another thread.
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sell mostly nootropics, but if you email them and ask them nicely, they can source a wide variety of prescription meds, dostinex included. It will be expensive though since it will be direct from a pharmacy in europe.
I would seriously consider using bromocriptine. Caber has some freaky side effects and takes forever to get out of your system. Bromo is far cheaper, easier to get hold of and does the same thing.
I agree with the previous post about estrogen rebound, but I would go for a supplement called D aspartic acid, it has been proven to increase test but as they say sign of gyno stop!, but if you have a good enough estrogen inhibitor you should be okay a sex drive should be back up. Worth researching
Thanks guys, alot of help as usual.
I will be getting my hands on some Selegiline, just wondering though, BBB I read through your selegiline dedicated thread. Am I right in assuming that dopamine agonists will inhibit prolactin production? Or will I still need a prolactin inhibitor?
I will be dosing it at 2.5mg EOD, see where that takes me. Just worried about some sort of rebound affect when I come off?
Do you think I should add hCG into the mix for test levels?
I have managed to get hold of 30 tabs of Bromo 5mg from a source within a pharmacy so I know it is 100% legit. I will start treatment of it tonight, starting with 2.5mg today then dividing the dose from tomorrow at 1.25mg twice. This seems to be the recommended dose everywhere I have read (there is not much info on tren/bromo/prolactin post cycle)
From what I have read, dropping prolactin levels too low can suppress LH, in turn suppressing T production. This is counter effect of what we want here right, I hope this isnt to high to drop P levels below normal.
Ok looks like the divided dose approach is down the drain. Got the Bromo now, Parlodel. They are 5mg capsules, cannot divide the dose. Will have to go with 5mg E2D.