[quote]JustTheFacts wrote:
TFM’s unite…
Bush Losing Core Supporters
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Ahahahaha! That was fucking priceless!
Gooooooooooooo Bush!
What does it matter if he looses supporters. He can’t be president anymore after this term anyway. He will become a useless commodity in the political circles of power. The users will site and find a new power figure to leach onto.
I will not pass judgement on our president. These are people in the highest of societies. There are so many things that could be going on behind the scenes and behind closed doors it may boggle the mind. I would love to sit on one of those family dinners and listen to the conversations.
The truth is that in today’s day and age we are the simple peasants with illusions of power. People like the president are social planners on the global scale.
I support him whether i agree with or diagree with his policies. I only know what the media tells me. The media tells me only what they want me to know. So why pay attention to it, i take it all lightly. America is doing what it must do to survive and it’s simple as that. We must be united as a country and citizens.
I’d just like to point out that if one person says Bush is a good president because he sticks to his guns and never flops I will kill you via e-mail anthrax. Lest we forget, Hitler stuck to his guns also. There’s nothing wrong with changing your mind. In fact, in the complex world of politics, it would be ridiculous over an 8-year collective term not to change your viewpoints.
With that said, I thoroughly dislike Bush, but given our other option, I can’t say one’s all that better than the other.
These are the sort of discussions I want at my forum !
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
The Persians are meddling. It is not a strict Arab problem.
It is a small world. We cannot ignore the problems in the middle east given the vital resources there.
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The Persians are also in the Middle East and the relationship they have with their neighbors should be none of our business. This I’ve already stated.
The dependece on oil is all the more reason to look at alternative sources.
Dustin
[quote]danmaftei wrote:
I’d just like to point out that if one person says Bush is a good president because he sticks to his guns and never flops I will kill you via e-mail anthrax. Lest we forget, Hitler stuck to his guns also. There’s nothing wrong with changing your mind. In fact, in the complex world of politics, it would be ridiculous over an 8-year collective term not to change your viewpoints.
With that said, I thoroughly dislike Bush, but given our other option, I can’t say one’s all that better than the other.[/quote]
You know I’m glad you said that. People that stick to their guns are usually equippend with bricks for brains. I don’t know why, i mean i know why, i just don’t get this whole never admitting you’re wrong thing or changing your mind or views. Entirely too rigid a logic system for me.
[quote]Gregus wrote:
danmaftei wrote:
I’d just like to point out that if one person says Bush is a good president because he sticks to his guns and never flops I will kill you via e-mail anthrax. Lest we forget, Hitler stuck to his guns also. There’s nothing wrong with changing your mind. In fact, in the complex world of politics, it would be ridiculous over an 8-year collective term not to change your viewpoints.
With that said, I thoroughly dislike Bush, but given our other option, I can’t say one’s all that better than the other.
You know I’m glad you said that. People that stick to their guns are usually equippend with bricks for brains. I don’t know why, i mean i know why, i just don’t get this whole never admitting you’re wrong thing or changing your mind or views. Entirely too rigid a logic system for me.
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I’m sure glad President Reagan “stuck to his guns” on the cold war issue. The former Soviet Union collapsed! The liberals attacked him then as a war monger.
And the Berlin wall came down…
Also, remember when all the liberals were crying that they wanted a “nuclear freeze?”
It’s actually funny now. But good thing we didn’t listen to them.
Hmm…I’m trying to think about the last time the liberals were actually correct on an important topic…Okay, I’ll have to get back to you on that one.
[quote]vroom wrote:
JustTheFacts wrote:
TFM’s unite…
Bush Losing Core Supporters
Ahahahaha! That was fucking priceless![/quote]
Actually, it’s a bit scary. Any party that can rally the TFM vote on a consistent basis is assured of ruling the US forever.
TFMs is like their greatest natural ressource down there.
[quote]tme wrote:
Rockscar wrote:
If you don’t like the war on terror, then you should move out of the US and pay taxes somewhere else. All the radical libs are doing is tearing apart our country and worse…our troops resolve through their bantering and gay pride anti-war rhetoric.
Wow, that just moved way up on the master list of “Most Retarded Posts Ever”. Stevie might still be winning, but that bullshit puts you in close second. (Maybe third, jerffy has some real winners, too.)
So if I’m following here, anyone who doesn’t like the Bush administration therefore is opposed to the “war on terror” and should move somewhere else. Never mind the annoying little fact that Bush, or actually Cheney/Rumsfeld to be accurate and honest, dropped the ball completely in the “war on terror” when they decided to invade Iraq.
What about the “war on social security” or the “war on the environment” or the “war on fiscal responsibility”? I don’t like any of those either, should I be forcibly packed up and moved “somewhere else”? Or can I just stop paying taxes for the stuff I don’t like?
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Good post. I’m pretty shocked that any “conservatives” still support Bush. ZEB, to your credit, you get farther than most, but this administration has been a disaster on almost every issue. I voted for Bush twice, and aside from two pretty good Supreme Court Justices (not an insignificant reward, but remember, he tried to put his supremely underqualified house lawyer on the court), I don’t think I have anything to show for it. Iraq is a mess, and didn’t have to be, Afghanistan is arguably worse, America was stained as a country that tortures its enemies, the budget and entitlements are an absolute fucking disaster… Not attacked since September 11? These are people who still refer to “Andalusia” as being Muslim, they think very long-term, that means virtually nothing. What a waste, probably the same way many Democrats felt about Clinton. Two more years, unfortunately. Steveo, you are not very smart.
I love bush. I dont like it too hairy though. Hairs tend to get stuck in the back of your throat when it is.
[quote]GDollars37 wrote:
Not attacked since September 11? These are people who still refer to “Andalusia” as being Muslim, they think very long-term, that means virtually nothing. What a waste, probably the same way many Democrats felt about Clinton. Two more years, unfortunately. Steveo, you are not very smart.[/quote]
Well put. These people can remain in sleeper cells for decades. Who cares if we haven’t been hit in 5 years if they plan to hit us again in a large way 5 years later? Wouldn’t a smart terrorist wait until the heat died down a little? I mean, I know it makes some of you feel better to think all of these people are stupid…but they aren’t.
[quote]GDollars37 wrote:
tme wrote:
Rockscar wrote:
If you don’t like the war on terror, then you should move out of the US and pay taxes somewhere else. All the radical libs are doing is tearing apart our country and worse…our troops resolve through their bantering and gay pride anti-war rhetoric.
Wow, that just moved way up on the master list of “Most Retarded Posts Ever”. Stevie might still be winning, but that bullshit puts you in close second. (Maybe third, jerffy has some real winners, too.)
So if I’m following here, anyone who doesn’t like the Bush administration therefore is opposed to the “war on terror” and should move somewhere else. Never mind the annoying little fact that Bush, or actually Cheney/Rumsfeld to be accurate and honest, dropped the ball completely in the “war on terror” when they decided to invade Iraq.
What about the “war on social security” or the “war on the environment” or the “war on fiscal responsibility”? I don’t like any of those either, should I be forcibly packed up and moved “somewhere else”? Or can I just stop paying taxes for the stuff I don’t like?
Good post. I’m pretty shocked that any “conservatives” still support Bush. ZEB, to your credit, you get farther than most, but this administration has been a disaster on almost every issue. I voted for Bush twice, and aside from two pretty good Supreme Court Justices (not an insignificant reward, but remember, he tried to put his supremely underqualified house lawyer on the court), I don’t think I have anything to show for it. Iraq is a mess, and didn’t have to be, Afghanistan is arguably worse, America was stained as a country that tortures its enemies, the budget and entitlements are an absolute fucking disaster… Not attacked since September 11? These are people who still refer to “Andalusia” as being Muslim, they think very long-term, that means virtually nothing. What a waste, probably the same way many Democrats felt about Clinton. Two more years, unfortunately. Steveo, you are not very smart.[/quote]
Very nice post.
I hate when people say that Bush has made America not get attacked, as if it was by his sheer will that the terrorists were scared away.
The other shoe will drop, and it won’t be on any of your hillbilly towns…it’ll be my backyard that gets hit again, it will be more people that I know that will die.
And no president that starts a war a thousand miles away is going to stop that.
With his approval ratings at an all-time low, it’s no wonder all the Bushies are spinning up just about anything they can think of to support their hero.
It’s only a matter of time before one of them notices that no massive asteroid has hit the earth since Bush came into power and they give him credit for that too.
[quote]ZEB wrote:
Gregus wrote:
danmaftei wrote:
I’d just like to point out that if one person says Bush is a good president because he sticks to his guns and never flops I will kill you via e-mail anthrax. Lest we forget, Hitler stuck to his guns also. There’s nothing wrong with changing your mind. In fact, in the complex world of politics, it would be ridiculous over an 8-year collective term not to change your viewpoints.
With that said, I thoroughly dislike Bush, but given our other option, I can’t say one’s all that better than the other.
You know I’m glad you said that. People that stick to their guns are usually equippend with bricks for brains. I don’t know why, i mean i know why, i just don’t get this whole never admitting you’re wrong thing or changing your mind or views. Entirely too rigid a logic system for me.
I’m sure glad President Reagan “stuck to his guns” on the cold war issue. The former Soviet Union collapsed! The liberals attacked him then as a war monger.
And the Berlin wall came down…
Also, remember when all the liberals were crying that they wanted a “nuclear freeze?”
It’s actually funny now. But good thing we didn’t listen to them.
Hmm…I’m trying to think about the last time the liberals were actually correct on an important topic…Okay, I’ll have to get back to you on that one.
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Ugh, sometimes T-Nation is really thick. There’s nothing wrong with sticking to a plan if it’s GOOD. How the fuck can you induce that we advocate flopping on every plan, including good ones? The point is that having a steadfast stance isn’t reason alone to be called a great president, and in fact, a steadfast stance with a horrible plan is downright awful. Yonder Webster, they call it “stubborness.”
Too many people praise Bush for stating what he’s going to do, and then doing it bar none, and all I’m saying is, if that’s your criteria for a stand-up leader, then why don’t you praise Hitler or Mussolini?
[quote]danmaftei wrote:
I’d just like to point out that if one person says Bush is a good president because he sticks to his guns and never flops I will kill you via e-mail anthrax. Lest we forget, Hitler stuck to his guns also.[/quote]
And once again, Godwin’s Law is proven, and in record time too!
[quote]vroom wrote:
Somehow I suspect you think that such issues are one sided.
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No, I don’t think it is one-sided. I just think it is very unfortunate.
[quote]hspder wrote:
danmaftei wrote:
I’d just like to point out that if one person says Bush is a good president because he sticks to his guns and never flops I will kill you via e-mail anthrax. Lest we forget, Hitler stuck to his guns also.
And once again, Godwin’s Law is proven, and in record time too!
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Does that detract from the argument?
[quote]danmaftei wrote:
ZEB wrote:
Gregus wrote:
danmaftei wrote:
I’d just like to point out that if one person says Bush is a good president because he sticks to his guns and never flops I will kill you via e-mail anthrax. Lest we forget, Hitler stuck to his guns also. There’s nothing wrong with changing your mind. In fact, in the complex world of politics, it would be ridiculous over an 8-year collective term not to change your viewpoints.
With that said, I thoroughly dislike Bush, but given our other option, I can’t say one’s all that better than the other.
You know I’m glad you said that. People that stick to their guns are usually equippend with bricks for brains. I don’t know why, i mean i know why, i just don’t get this whole never admitting you’re wrong thing or changing your mind or views. Entirely too rigid a logic system for me.
I’m sure glad President Reagan “stuck to his guns” on the cold war issue. The former Soviet Union collapsed! The liberals attacked him then as a war monger.
And the Berlin wall came down…
Also, remember when all the liberals were crying that they wanted a “nuclear freeze?”
It’s actually funny now. But good thing we didn’t listen to them.
Hmm…I’m trying to think about the last time the liberals were actually correct on an important topic…Okay, I’ll have to get back to you on that one.
Ugh, sometimes T-Nation is really thick. There’s nothing wrong with sticking to a plan if it’s GOOD. How the fuck can you induce that we advocate flopping on every plan, including good ones? The point is that having a steadfast stance isn’t reason alone to be called a great president, and in fact, a steadfast stance with a horrible plan is downright awful. Yonder Webster, they call it “stubborness.”
Too many people praise Bush for stating what he’s going to do, and then doing it bar none, and all I’m saying is, if that’s your criteria for a stand-up leader, then why don’t you praise Hitler or Mussolini?[/quote]
I guess you had to be there. They said the exact same things about Reagan…Maybe even worse. the libs hated him.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
GDollars37 wrote:
Not attacked since September 11? These are people who still refer to “Andalusia” as being Muslim, they think very long-term, that means virtually nothing. What a waste, probably the same way many Democrats felt about Clinton. Two more years, unfortunately. Steveo, you are not very smart.
Well put. These people can remain in sleeper cells for decades. Who cares if we haven’t been hit in 5 years if they plan to hit us again in a large way 5 years later? Wouldn’t a smart terrorist wait until the heat died down a little? I mean, I know it makes some of you feel better to think all of these people are stupid…but they aren’t.[/quote]
Bush’s biggest strength is that he understands this.
Many of the people that post here seem to forget this including both of you guys.
The west is at war with radical Islam. You guys want to quibble against small things while Bush wants to fight.
I see no other politician that understands this as well as GWB.