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[quote]singram wrote:
jsbrook wrote:
singram wrote:
Man,look at the verbal vomit coming out of peoples mouths.They say they hate Christians because they are small minded and intolerant.Then they go off being intolerent and small minded on somebodys beliefs and religon.Oh you’re a Christian,because of you we have wars,look at WWII.I can’t help it if Hitler hijacked my religon to promote his twisted and evil deeds.You don’t like Christans,fine,I don’t care for your bigoted anti-anybody whos a christan ignorant asses.You see,I respect anybodys beliefs unless it promotes hate,which does include some so-called Christains.And the hate coming out of some of the atheist on this thread toward religon is just fucked up.

Nah. It is self-righteous, sanctimonius, pompous, smug and not in keeping with the spirit of God to state that Christianity is the only legitimate religion. Further, it’s a position than many Christian leaders have rejected. It is wrong to condemn Christianty and Christians simply because you don’t share their beliefs. There are many wonderful things in and of Christianity. Chrisitanity is great. Evangelicism and this ‘Jesus is the only path to salvation’ attitude is not, and it’s not wrong to condemn that.

I agree 100%.I’m not the most devout Christian,but I’ve been saved and do belive if you’re a good person,God will let you in.No way the Jews who died in WWII went to hell because they didn’t accept Jesus Christ.My libertaran beliefs will not let me force my beliefs on anyone.[/quote]

Good for you! Agreed.

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[quote]vroom wrote:
Huh, guys… it’s “waste.” Your waist is between your legs and your torso.

So unless a post shows some abs, it’s not a waist.

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See? This one is both a waist and a waste.

Good job Pook, that was getting on my nerves as well.

If you can also draw an ASCII shoe, we might be able to get a good guess at your bodyfat level…[/quote]

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How’s this?

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[quote]MikeTheBear wrote:
But, I state now, in the presence of God and all of you, that there is a God, I’ve heard his voice and I have been in his presence. Take it as you will, insult my intelligence, whatever. I can only state the truth.

And may God bless each of you!

I think that’s awesome.

Todd

I think someone forgot to take their medication that day.[/quote]

From a Larry King interview with Bill Mahr (who’d previously stated he was agnostic…)

CALLER: “Hi. Well, my question is, the Lord spoke to me approximately three years ago, and if the Lord spoke to you [Mahr], I was wondering if you’d become a believer.”

MAHR: “No, I’d check into Bellevue, which is what you should do…”

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I have been saved by grace

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[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
Hell, Lenin and Trotsky made a difference too. Just like Jack London. Or Ernest Hemingway. Or Bob Dylan. I don’t remember any of these people being overtly religous…
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I don’t want to be a dick or anything. Plus, I don’t know much about Hemingway’s personal life. Anyway, wasn’t the old man in The Old Man and the Sea a Christ figure?

Todd

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Plus,I don’t wanna go to hell,with Saddam and Satan being butt buddies and all.

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Well we have had quite a day of posting to my humble thread. Unfortunately, I don’t have the time to respond to each and every one of you, but let me make several points that will address some of the most common concerns posted thus far:

(1) I am a Bible believing, born-again Christian. I don’t belong to any particular denomination, nor do I give credence to any authority except for the Bible – The Word of God. I could care less what men (including Popes, philosophers, scientits, Socialists, etc) say.

(2) The only opinion that counts is God’s opinion and that is found in the Bible. I challenge you to read it for yourself, if you haven’t already.

(3) My only motivation for posting is that I care about all of your eternal souls because God cares for your eternal souls. I have nothing to gain, personally, my inviting the most hateful responses, replete with 4-letter words, mocking, etc. However, all of you (yes including Pookie, Vroom, and Irish, and the rest of you) are souls for which Jesus died.

(4) I find it very interesting that the subject of where this thread should have been posted came up. Interesting that nobody said that about the “Atheists” or the “Renounce Your Faith” threads.

Why this thread? Seems a bit discriminatory to me…

(5) If you find it arrogant that the Bible teaches that Christ is the ONLY way to God, please take that up with God yourself. After all, He wrote the book and He said it Himself.

(6) Whether or not you believe something, doesn’t make it untrue. I may believe that taxes are not real, but just let me try not to pay them and I will soon find out otherwise.

Someday, we will all die. Our bodies will corrupt in the ground – alas all of our hard work in the gym which seems to us so so important now, will vanish away. We will be before God, alone, and we will have to give account. For believers, this will be glorious as we will enter into the “joy of the Lord.” However, for “unbelievers” this will not be joyful, although 'EVERY KNEE SHALL BOW AND EVERY TOUNGE SHALL CONFESS THAT JESUS CHRIST IS LORD TO THE GLORY OF GOD THE FATHER…"

Yes, if you die in your sins (your unbelief) even you will bow before the Lord, but you will also be consigned to an eternity in Hell.

Guys, I didn’t make the rules, God did. You have heard the Gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ.

What will you do with Him?

I urge you to consider your eternal destiny and come to the Lord today!

God Bless each and every one of you!

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[quote]steveo5801 wrote:
Well we have had quite a day of posting to my humble thread. Unfortunately, I don’t have the time to respond to each and every one of you, but let me make several points that will address some of the most common concerns posted thus far:

(1) I am a Bible believing, born-again Christian. I don’t belong to any particular denomination, nor do I give credence to any authority except for the Bible – The Word of God. I could care less what men (including Popes, philosophers, scientits, Socialists, etc) say.

(2) The only opinion that counts is God’s opinion and that is found in the Bible. I challenge you to read it for yourself, if you haven’t already.

(3) My only motivation for posting is that I care about all of your eternal souls because God cares for your eternal souls. I have nothing to gain, personally, my inviting the most hateful responses, replete with 4-letter words, mocking, etc. However, all of you (yes including Pookie, Vroom, and Irish, and the rest of you) are souls for which Jesus died.

(4) I find it very interesting that the subject of where this thread should have been posted came up. Interesting that nobody said that about the “Atheists” or the “Renounce Your Faith” threads.

Why this thread? Seems a bit discriminatory to me…

(5) If you find it arrogant that the Bible teaches that Christ is the ONLY way to God, please take that up with God yourself. After all, He wrote the book and He said it Himself.

(6) Whether or not you believe something, doesn’t make it untrue. I may believe that taxes are not real, but just let me try not to pay them and I will soon find out otherwise.

Someday, we will all die. Our bodies will corrupt in the ground – alas all of our hard work in the gym which seems to us so so important now, will vanish away. We will be before God, alone, and we will have to give account. For believers, this will be glorious as we will enter into the “joy of the Lord.” However, for “unbelievers” this will not be joyful, although 'EVERY KNEE SHALL BOW AND EVERY TOUNGE SHALL CONFESS THAT JESUS CHRIST IS LORD TO THE GLORY OF GOD THE FATHER…"

Yes, if you die in your sins (your unbelief) even you will bow before the Lord, but you will also be consigned to an eternity in Hell.

Guys, I didn’t make the rules, God did. You have heard the Gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ.

What will you do with Him?

I urge you to consider your eternal destiny and come to the Lord today!

God Bless each and every one of you![/quote]

Steve,

This is all well and good, but your message doesn’t necessarily even agree with what the Bible says. Please read Matthew 25:32-46. Blind acceptance may work for you, and that’s great. However, I advise against presenting your position or beliefs as the only viable path. In my way of thinking, that is a sin unto itself.

Todd

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[quote]toddjacobs13 wrote:
steveo5801 wrote:
Well we have had quite a day of posting to my humble thread. Unfortunately, I don’t have the time to respond to each and every one of you, but let me make several points that will address some of the most common concerns posted thus far:

(1) I am a Bible believing, born-again Christian. I don’t belong to any particular denomination, nor do I give credence to any authority except for the Bible – The Word of God. I could care less what men (including Popes, philosophers, scientits, Socialists, etc) say.

(2) The only opinion that counts is God’s opinion and that is found in the Bible. I challenge you to read it for yourself, if you haven’t already.

(3) My only motivation for posting is that I care about all of your eternal souls because God cares for your eternal souls. I have nothing to gain, personally, my inviting the most hateful responses, replete with 4-letter words, mocking, etc. However, all of you (yes including Pookie, Vroom, and Irish, and the rest of you) are souls for which Jesus died.

(4) I find it very interesting that the subject of where this thread should have been posted came up. Interesting that nobody said that about the “Atheists” or the “Renounce Your Faith” threads.

Why this thread? Seems a bit discriminatory to me…

(5) If you find it arrogant that the Bible teaches that Christ is the ONLY way to God, please take that up with God yourself. After all, He wrote the book and He said it Himself.

(6) Whether or not you believe something, doesn’t make it untrue. I may believe that taxes are not real, but just let me try not to pay them and I will soon find out otherwise.

Someday, we will all die. Our bodies will corrupt in the ground – alas all of our hard work in the gym which seems to us so so important now, will vanish away. We will be before God, alone, and we will have to give account. For believers, this will be glorious as we will enter into the “joy of the Lord.” However, for “unbelievers” this will not be joyful, although 'EVERY KNEE SHALL BOW AND EVERY TOUNGE SHALL CONFESS THAT JESUS CHRIST IS LORD TO THE GLORY OF GOD THE FATHER…"

Yes, if you die in your sins (your unbelief) even you will bow before the Lord, but you will also be consigned to an eternity in Hell.

Guys, I didn’t make the rules, God did. You have heard the Gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ.

What will you do with Him?

I urge you to consider your eternal destiny and come to the Lord today!

God Bless each and every one of you!

Steve,

This is all well and good, but your message doesn’t necessarily even agree with what the Bible says. Please read Matthew 25:32-46. Blind acceptance may work for you, and that’s great. However, I advise against presenting your position or beliefs as the only viable path. In my way of thinking, that is a sin unto itself.

Todd
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Todd,

Matthew 25 has to do with Jesus’ return after the Great Tribulation at the end times. He will separate those who believed in Him during the Tribulation from those who did not. Their belief or lack thereof, will be demonstrated by what they did. The Bible does clearly teach that actions show what the spiritual state of the heart is.

Now as for the Biblical position that Jesus is the only path or way, again take this up with God, not me. Here are some crystal clear verses for you to consider:

“Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.” John 14:6

“Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born againa, he cannot see the kingdom of God.” John 3:3

“And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.” John 3:14-18

"He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him." John 3:36

The Bible doesn’t teach that Jesus is the only way? Really?

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See, what this seems to imply, is that you don’t need religion in any shape or form to behave properly…

So, is it truly belief, or is it the actions that one takes in life, or a combination of the two?

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[quote]vroom wrote:
Their belief or lack thereof, will be demonstrated by what they did. The Bible does clearly teach that actions show what the spiritual state of the heart is.

See, what this seems to imply, is that you don’t need religion in any shape or form to behave properly…

So, is it truly belief, or is it the actions that one takes in life, or a combination of the two?[/quote]

Vroom,

As usual, GREAT QUESTION.

Here are some Bible verses that answer this and then I will make several comments:

“A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. 20Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.” Matthew 7:18-20

“What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him? If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food, And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit? Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alonec. Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith withoutd thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works. Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble. But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?” James 2:14-20

“He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 5But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him. 6He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.” 1 John 2:4-6

Clearly from the passages that I have quoted in my other responses about Jesus being the only way and faith being the only way to Jesus, the Bible teaches that we must “believe” – i.e. have “faith” in Christ.

These passges here tell us that those who do believe – those who are truly born-again – those who are truly Chrisitans (according to the Bible) will ACT in accord with that faith. There will be no mistaking a true Christian since he or she will act in such a way as to convey obedience to God in thier lives (i.e. the “fruit” and “walk” spoken about).

A true Christian “walks” (lives) by faith in accord with God’s Word and produces spiritual “fruit” in their lives (i.e. love, joy, peace, helping others, etc.).

However, all religions (except for Bible-beliving Christianity) has one thing in common. The “cart is put before the horse.” That is to say, all religions tell you that you have to do something and then God will grant to you something.

Biblical Christianity teaches that God has already done everything for you (sending His Son Jesus to die for us) and we cannot do anything to save ourselves. We only have to recieve Him as Savior. Then upon salvation, our “works” will reflect that inner transformation that God has done in our hearts.

I trust that this answers your question, Vroom.

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Two things I find interesting anytime these arguements come up…they are always from a “born again” type…and the fact that the basis that all arguements are backed up with is a book that was written by men (with something to gaim mind you). Now, the typical counter-arguement is something like, “yeah, but those men were guided by God”…according to what, the bible…which was written by a man.
Circular logic cannot be used to prove a truth. Mind you I am a spiritual person, just think a person should be able to think to themself.
Generally, most “born-agains” came to their faith through some moment that defines it…something very personal. Well, let other people have the same personally moving discovery instead of trying to force it on them at every chance you get. It’s basic psychology…try to force something (especially religion) on someone and they will be much more likely to resist it!

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[quote]sreisin547 wrote:
Two things I find interesting anytime these arguements come up…they are always from a “born again” type…and the fact that the basis that all arguements are backed up with is a book that was written by men (with something to gaim mind you). Now, the typical counter-arguement is something like, “yeah, but those men were guided by God”…according to what, the bible…which was written by a man.
Circular logic cannot be used to prove a truth. Mind you I am a spiritual person, just think a person should be able to think to themself.
Generally, most “born-agains” came to their faith through some moment that defines it…something very personal. Well, let other people have the same personally moving discovery instead of trying to force it on them at every chance you get. It’s basic psychology…try to force something (especially religion) on someone and they will be much more likely to resist it![/quote]

Agreed – nobody can “force” anything. I have said over and over again, I am proclaiming the truth of God’s Word (yes, backed up by God’s Word). It is a free gift for all, but you have to take it. Therefore, a person has the will to either take it or not.

As for my “not thinking for myself” or how did I “become one of those born-agains,” let me ask you – do you know me? How do you know how I think or how I came to Christ? Are you letting your hostility to true Bible Christianity cause you to assume my motives and responses to things? It is the height of arrogance to assume to know anothers motivation and thought process when you could not know these.

And by the way, Christianity is only governed by the Bible. So I think you should realize that the “born again” types ACCORDING to Jesus Christ Himself – are the only ones who actually ARE Christians. (John 3: 1-16).

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What a sad world we live in when faith is being fancied over reason… Religion/gods/God were invented by man to answer questions man was not educated enough to answer. We are now educated enough to answer the questions but to arrogant to say we were wrong.

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[quote]DB297 wrote:
What a sad world we live in when faith is being fancied over reason… Religion/gods/God were invented by man to answer questions man was not educated enough to answer. We are now educated enough to answer the questions but to arrogant to say we were wrong. [/quote]

Yes, it is really sad that people of faith want others to go to Heaven. It is really sad that people of faith want people to live in harmony and love with each other. It is really sad that people of faith want to post “Thou shalt not steal,” “Thou shalt not bear false witness,” and the other Ten Commandments in public places when pornography is allowed everywhere.

Yes, it is truly sad that because of people of faith, God is ripped out of the public square, secularism is everywhere, pornography is on prime time TV, crime in our schools is higher than ever, math and science test scores are one of the lowest of any industrialized nation…

Yes, it is sad that the people of faith did all of this.

What a load of you know what…

The only sad thing is that there are those who want to blame people of faith for all of our problems. Know this, when faith was a part of the lives of the majority of our country, decency, a sense of community, and mutual respect for one another, was much much higher than now.

Yes, it is so sad that faith is interfering with “reason” because we can really see that the last 100 years of reason has produced a really peaceful world…

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[quote]steveo5801 wrote:
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Yes, if you die in your sins (your unbelief) even you will bow before the Lord, but you will also be consigned to an eternity in Hell.
Guys, I didn’t make the rules, God did. You have heard the Gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ.
…
I urge you to consider your eternal destiny and come to the Lord today!
God Bless each and every one of you![/quote]

Let’s analyze this step by step:
First, you say I will roast to death because…
Someone who is awfully strong would like me to worhip him. He threatens to torment me after his ultimatum (my time of death) expires and I still refuse.

That alone doesn’t make much sense (in fact, Uwe Boll movies make more sense), but at least it’s somewhat possible, even if
a)it’s highly unreasonable and unfriendly for a “gawd”
b)nobody is gonna believe it without some strong proof.

Now let’s consider the worshipping aspect
Basically, he wants me to admit that he is the greatest. Also, he has a complicated list of what I cannot do (sin) and what I should do (sacraments), what I shouldn’t do at all (capital sin), and when I should crap on the rules because of exceptions (Holy War)
What is confusing about this is
a) that his ground personal is busy violating the rules and generally being at odds with themselves (catholics, orthodox…) Some cool ones are even “extinct” (arianists, catharists)
b) that, apart from having the difficult time to chose the appropriate branch office (see above), I’m also faced with the difficulty of choosing between two fundamentally different versions:
Is the older one a discontinued model?
On the other side, you get either the older one or the bundle, so perhaps the newer book is a patch?

If I agree to the worshipping deal, everything else can be forgiven, including the most heinous of crimes. It’s also totally irrelevant if I “confess” on my deathbed (good) or live hundred years straight but revoke in senile anger and get killed (bad).
What counts is the status upon death.
That is unfair. But you seem to have no problem with it (“Guys, I didn’t make the rules, God did.”) Hmm, a KZ-Guard mentality. (“I didn’t make the rules. Hitler did. Sorry.”)

If I die in disbelief, he will make me bow no less and show me my terrible mistake, but instead of giving me the chance to argue, defend, or repent, he tells me to (literally) go to hell.

Since bowing is without meaning for me (I’m already dead & damned!) it seems to be important for him- the MO of a high class sadist.
Since the realization of my mistake is again without meaning for me (I cannot “amend”), he seems to draw a lot of comfort from it. Scary.

Eternity in hell?

is the effective punishment more like jail, meaning it sucks ass but at least I can get jacked?
or is it constant pain and humiliation?
will the pain stop at one point and be replaced with “real death”(like, you know, death was supposed to be?)
or is “hell” really eternal? Do I really get to suffer ETERNALLY for something “I didn’t do”? That means that even the most monstrous villains (Dahmer, Mao) look like virgin-nuns next to him. They could break you, incinerate you, but ETERNITY?!. There is no one I ever would condamn to this sort of suffering.
How can someone who believes this condemn Saddam? I mean this guy was a first class asshole but YOU are WORSHIPPING someone who is not only potentially much more brutal but has also killed quadrillions! AND he is torturing them STILL, keeping them alive through his (apparently) evil “superpowers”.

I have heard the gospel…

According to you, that should suffice, but since the “Lord” designed & created me, he surely knows of my weaknesses and my rejection for injustice and tyranny. Still, he wants me to obey him.

God bless you!

Given the aforementioned facts, your last remark is repulsive.
If in a Gulag an overseer would end a speech with “Rest assured, Stalin loves you!”, he would make far more sense.

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[quote]steveo5801 wrote:
DB297 wrote:
What a sad world we live in when faith is being fancied over reason… Religion/gods/God were invented by man to answer questions man was not educated enough to answer. We are now educated enough to answer the questions but to arrogant to say we were wrong.

Yes, it is really sad that people of faith want others to go to Heaven. It is really sad that people of faith want people to live in harmony and love with each other. It is really sad that people of faith want to post “Thou shalt not steal,” “Thou shalt not bear false witness,” and the other Ten Commandments in public places when pornography is allowed everywhere.

Yes, it is truly sad that because of people of faith, God is ripped out of the public square, secularism is everywhere, pornography is on prime time TV, crime in our schools is higher than ever, math and science test scores are one of the lowest of any industrialized nation…

Yes, it is sad that the people of faith did all of this.

What a load of you know what…

The only sad thing is that there are those who want to blame people of faith for all of our problems. Know this, when faith was a part of the lives of the majority of our country, decency, a sense of community, and mutual respect for one another, was much much higher than now.

Yes, it is so sad that faith is interfering with “reason” because we can really see that the last 100 years of reason has produced a really peaceful world…[/quote]

You have got to be shiting me??? There is no way your not not hitting the pipe right now.

Allow me to retort:

  1. you need to realize not everyone wants to go to your “Heaven.” Which as a side note you riped off from the Egypitians and Ra’s afterlife.

  2. I do not steal, or lie, or kill. I like to think I am a good person but since I do NOT believe in god does that mean someone who does steal, lie and kill but accepts god in the end will go to “heaven” before me?

  3. Math and Science are at their lowest scores ever… Hey you are the one who voted for a president who doesn’t accept evolution, is against stem cells and still cut $3B from the education budget while committing countless dollars to war. I “wasted” a vote by writing in “none of the above.”

  4. Your faith might be a part a part of the majority of our country’s lives but hey majority rules doesn’t work in mental institutions!

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[quote]DB297 wrote:
steveo5801 wrote:
DB297 wrote:
What a sad world we live in when faith is being fancied over reason… Religion/gods/God were invented by man to answer questions man was not educated enough to answer. We are now educated enough to answer the questions but to arrogant to say we were wrong.

Yes, it is really sad that people of faith want others to go to Heaven. It is really sad that people of faith want people to live in harmony and love with each other. It is really sad that people of faith want to post “Thou shalt not steal,” “Thou shalt not bear false witness,” and the other Ten Commandments in public places when pornography is allowed everywhere.

Yes, it is truly sad that because of people of faith, God is ripped out of the public square, secularism is everywhere, pornography is on prime time TV, crime in our schools is higher than ever, math and science test scores are one of the lowest of any industrialized nation…

Yes, it is sad that the people of faith did all of this.

What a load of you know what…

The only sad thing is that there are those who want to blame people of faith for all of our problems. Know this, when faith was a part of the lives of the majority of our country, decency, a sense of community, and mutual respect for one another, was much much higher than now.

Yes, it is so sad that faith is interfering with “reason” because we can really see that the last 100 years of reason has produced a really peaceful world…

You have got to be shiting me??? There is no way your not not hitting the pipe right now.

Allow me to retort:

  1. you need to realize not everyone wants to go to your “Heaven.” Which as a side note you riped off from the Egypitians and Ra’s afterlife.

I know that not everyone wants to accept the free gift of salvation. That means that we have to submit to God and sinful men do not wish to do so. As for “ripping this off” I don’t think so. God was in Heaven long before He created the Egyptians!

  1. I do not steal, or lie, or kill. I like to think I am a good person but since I do NOT believe in god does that mean someone who does steal, lie and kill but accepts god in the end will go to “heaven” before me?

"God looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, that did seek God. 3Every one of them is gone back: they are altogether become filthy; there is none that doeth good, no, not one." Psalm 53:2-3

“Most men will proclaim every one his own goodnessb: but a faithful man who can find?” Proverbs 20:6

“But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.” Isaiah 64:6

  1. Math and Science are at their lowest scores ever… Hey you are the one who voted for a president who doesn’t accept evolution, is against stem cells and still cut $3B from the education budget while committing countless dollars to war. I “wasted” a vote by writing in “none of the above.”

Huh? What does this have to do with universal laws of math and science. There is no conflict with math and true science with the Bible.

  1. Your faith might be a part a part of the majority of our country’s lives but hey majority rules doesn’t work in mental institutions!

I guess you should know… :slight_smile:

God still loves you and wants you to repent!

"And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent: 31Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath givene assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead." Acts 17:30-31

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[quote]Schwarzfahrer wrote:
steveo5801 wrote:
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Yes, if you die in your sins (your unbelief) even you will bow before the Lord, but you will also be consigned to an eternity in Hell.
Guys, I didn’t make the rules, God did. You have heard the Gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ.
…
I urge you to consider your eternal destiny and come to the Lord today!
God Bless each and every one of you!

Let’s analyze this step by step:
First, you say I will roast to death because…
Someone who is awfully strong would like me to worhip him. He threatens to torment me after his ultimatum (my time of death) expires and I still refuse.

That alone doesn’t make much sense (in fact, Uwe Boll movies make more sense), but at least it’s somewhat possible, even if
a)it’s highly unreasonable and unfriendly for a “gawd”
b)nobody is gonna believe it without some strong proof.

Now let’s consider the worshipping aspect
Basically, he wants me to admit that he is the greatest. Also, he has a complicated list of what I cannot do (sin) and what I should do (sacraments), what I shouldn’t do at all (capital sin), and when I should crap on the rules because of exceptions (Holy War)
What is confusing about this is
a) that his ground personal is busy violating the rules and generally being at odds with themselves (catholics, orthodox…) Some cool ones are even “extinct” (arianists, catharists)
b) that, apart from having the difficult time to chose the appropriate branch office (see above), I’m also faced with the difficulty of choosing between two fundamentally different versions:
Is the older one a discontinued model?
On the other side, you get either the older one or the bundle, so perhaps the newer book is a patch?

If I agree to the worshipping deal, everything else can be forgiven, including the most heinous of crimes. It’s also totally irrelevant if I “confess” on my deathbed (good) or live hundred years straight but revoke in senile anger and get killed (bad).
What counts is the status upon death.
That is unfair. But you seem to have no problem with it (“Guys, I didn’t make the rules, God did.”) Hmm, a KZ-Guard mentality. (“I didn’t make the rules. Hitler did. Sorry.”)

If I die in disbelief, he will make me bow no less and show me my terrible mistake, but instead of giving me the chance to argue, defend, or repent, he tells me to (literally) go to hell.

Since bowing is without meaning for me (I’m already dead & damned!) it seems to be important for him- the MO of a high class sadist.
Since the realization of my mistake is again without meaning for me (I cannot “amend”), he seems to draw a lot of comfort from it. Scary.

Eternity in hell?

is the effective punishment more like jail, meaning it sucks ass but at least I can get jacked?
or is it constant pain and humiliation?
will the pain stop at one point and be replaced with “real death”(like, you know, death was supposed to be?)
or is “hell” really eternal? Do I really get to suffer ETERNALLY for something “I didn’t do”? That means that even the most monstrous villains (Dahmer, Mao) look like virgin-nuns next to him. They could break you, incinerate you, but ETERNITY?!. There is no one I ever would condamn to this sort of suffering.
How can someone who believes this condemn Saddam? I mean this guy was a first class asshole but YOU are WORSHIPPING someone who is not only potentially much more brutal but has also killed quadrillions! AND he is torturing them STILL, keeping them alive through his (apparently) evil “superpowers”.

I have heard the gospel…

According to you, that should suffice, but since the “Lord” designed & created me, he surely knows of my weaknesses and my rejection for injustice and tyranny. Still, he wants me to obey him.

God bless you!

Given the aforementioned facts, your last remark is repulsive.
If in a Gulag an overseer would end a speech with “Rest assured, Stalin loves you!”, he would make far more sense.
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Take your objections up with God, not with me! I am only telling you what God has said. Your problem is not with me it is with Him.

“Seek ye the LORD while he may be found, call ye upon him while he is near: 7Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteousb man his thoughts: and let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon. 8For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD. 9For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts. 10For as the rain cometh down, and the snow from heaven, and returneth not thither, but watereth the earth, and maketh it bring forth and bud, that it may give seed to the sower, and bread to the eater: 11So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.” Isaiah 55:6-11

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[quote]steveo5801 wrote:
DB297 wrote:
steveo5801 wrote:
DB297 wrote:
What a sad world we live in when faith is being fancied over reason… Religion/gods/God were invented by man to answer questions man was not educated enough to answer. We are now educated enough to answer the questions but to arrogant to say we were wrong.

Yes, it is really sad that people of faith want others to go to Heaven. It is really sad that people of faith want people to live in harmony and love with each other. It is really sad that people of faith want to post “Thou shalt not steal,” “Thou shalt not bear false witness,” and the other Ten Commandments in public places when pornography is allowed everywhere.

Yes, it is truly sad that because of people of faith, God is ripped out of the public square, secularism is everywhere, pornography is on prime time TV, crime in our schools is higher than ever, math and science test scores are one of the lowest of any industrialized nation…

Yes, it is sad that the people of faith did all of this.

What a load of you know what…

The only sad thing is that there are those who want to blame people of faith for all of our problems. Know this, when faith was a part of the lives of the majority of our country, decency, a sense of community, and mutual respect for one another, was much much higher than now.

Yes, it is so sad that faith is interfering with “reason” because we can really see that the last 100 years of reason has produced a really peaceful world…

You have got to be shiting me??? There is no way your not not hitting the pipe right now.

Allow me to retort:

  1. you need to realize not everyone wants to go to your “Heaven.” Which as a side note you riped off from the Egypitians and Ra’s afterlife.

I know that not everyone wants to accept the free gift of salvation. That means that we have to submit to God and sinful men do not wish to do so. As for “ripping this off” I don’t think so. God was in Heaven long before He created the Egyptians!

  1. I do not steal, or lie, or kill. I like to think I am a good person but since I do NOT believe in god does that mean someone who does steal, lie and kill but accepts god in the end will go to “heaven” before me?

"God looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, that did seek God. 3Every one of them is gone back: they are altogether become filthy; there is none that doeth good, no, not one." Psalm 53:2-3

“Most men will proclaim every one his own goodnessb: but a faithful man who can find?” Proverbs 20:6

“But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.” Isaiah 64:6

  1. Math and Science are at their lowest scores ever… Hey you are the one who voted for a president who doesn’t accept evolution, is against stem cells and still cut $3B from the education budget while committing countless dollars to war. I “wasted” a vote by writing in “none of the above.”

Huh? What does this have to do with universal laws of math and science. There is no conflict with math and true science with the Bible.

  1. Your faith might be a part a part of the majority of our country’s lives but hey majority rules doesn’t work in mental institutions!

I guess you should know… :slight_smile:

God still loves you and wants you to repent!

"And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent: 31Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath givene assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead." Acts 17:30-31

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What do I have to repent for?

Do you cae to reply to my comments or are you gong to hide behind quoting a book written by MEN with no educaion (imagine their math and science scores) that claims a virgin got knocked up… a man lived inside a whale…etc.