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silencer · May 22, 2006, 6:10pm

Haney, I dont know how you are searching the bible for greek words. Anyway, is it possible for you to verify the veracity of the following through a search and tell me if it’s true:

Matthew 12:18: “Behold my servant, whom I have chosen.”

Acts 3:13(RSV): “The God of Abraham, and of Isaac,… hath glorified his servant Jesus.”

Acts 4:27(RSV): “For of a truth against thy holy servant Jesus, whom thou hast anointed…”

The Actual Greek word used is “pias” or “paida” which mean; “servant, child, son, manservant.” Some translations of the Bible, such as the popular King James Version, have translated this word as “Son” when it is attributed to Jesus (pbuh) and “servant” for most everyone else, while more recent translations of the Bible such as the Revised Standard Version (RSV) now honestly translate it as “servant.” As we shall see in later chapters, the RSV was compiled by thirty two Biblical scholars of the highest eminence, backed by 50 cooperating Christian denominations from the “most” ancient Biblical manuscripts available to them today. Chances are that no matter what your church or denomination you are able to name, that church took part in the correction of the King James Version of the Bible which resulted in the RSV.

The exact same word “pias” is attributed to Jacob(Israel) in Luke 1:54 and translated as “servant”:

“He hath helped his servant Israel, in remembrance of his mercy;.”

It is also applied to King David in Luke 1:69, and once again, it is translated as “servant”:

“…the house of his servant David;” (also see Acts 4:25).

However, when it is applied to Jesus (e.g. Acts 3:13, Acts 4:27), NOW it is translated as “Son.” (notice that it is not only translated as “son” but as “Son”.) Why the double standard? Why the dishonest translation techniques?

“And verily, among them is a party who twist their tongues with the Scripture that you might think that it is from the Scripture but it is not from the Scripture; and they say, ‘It is from God’ but it is not from God; and they speak a lie against God while they know it!” (Qur’an 3: 78)

http://wings.buffalo.edu/sa/muslim/library/jesus-say/ch1.2.3.15.html

well, let me know if it’s true.

silencer · May 22, 2006, 6:13pm

[quote]haney wrote:

I also didn’t say my word was the only word used for son. Which is why I implied that you wern’t being forth coming. Not because of your translation of the word. There are multiple greek words that are used for “son” in the NT, and the Hebrew. All of them have a different meaning too.

Uihos is found the most often in the NT. So the possibility of it not being seen as literal is slim.
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oh sorry. I didn’t read that part because when you quoted from the dictionaries some of the things looked unclear and I didn’t understand it much (the words from greek or whatever didnt show well).

silencer · May 22, 2006, 6:18pm

But wait,

“You are all son’s [uihos] of God through faith in Christ Jesus … and
if you are sons, then heirs.” (Gal 3:26)

how does this fit in with you saying uihos only means son in the way it applies to Jesus?

orion · May 22, 2006, 7:28pm

[quote]haney wrote:
orion wrote:
Well the last part is easy. I do not get my ideas from scriptures claiming to be the WORD OF GOD and I am not willing to explain inconsistensies in my world view away by theological gymnastics.

In my opinion neither do they. They only claim to.

Be that as it may, the Deuteronomy seems to have been “found” by Josiah the same way the privilegium major was “discovered” by Duke Rudolf, which makes me wonder what else in that book conveniently appeared at the right place at the right time, or managed to do the opposite, to disappear when convenient.

Please explain what you are referring to. Dueteronomy is claimed to be a book of Moses, and there wouldn’t be much wiggle room with it outside of its completetion by Joshua.

I think I have one of my answers, the Qu?ran, having one author an being written in a very short time, leaves much less wiggle room.

Plus, you do not have use my interpretation of the bible at all, pretty much every member of the Spanish Inquisition was probably an infinitely more skilled theologian than you.

That is very subjective. One could have said the same thing about the Church fathers of Luther’s day. Now he is praised as a saint.

What did they not get, that you do?

Or, to put it differently, why is your interpretation of The Bible more valid than that of St. Augustin?
Personally I study some of Augustine’s stuff to help refine my interpretation. Augustine doesn’t believe the way you do. neither did many of the early Church fathers. Certainly Christ, Paul, and Peter didn’t. Interesting rather then dropping your whole claims that Christians can’t advocate peace, and must overthrow their governments. You side step. You bring in a dark age church that was known for its extreme corruption. Why not stick to your point?

Which leads us to the interesting question, if different interpretation are possible, why are the peaceful ones necessarily more Christian than the ones that call for violence?

Show me where Christ called for us to go out and attack people.

You know Christian come from the term Christ like.

Maybe that whole “peaceful” stuff is just a modern, pc, abberation?

Didn’t Jesus rebuke peter for attacking the guard and cutting off his ear?[/quote]

I came across the fact that the fifth book of Moses was conveniently “discovered” during a time of political turmoil, conveniently supporting Joshuas ideas…

Written by Moses, the supreme religious authority, no less…

Call me a cynic…

Talmudic rabbis had their doubts early on and modern text anylysis puts the era of its production in or around Joshuas reign.

Combine this with the fact that the Bible was compiled hundreds of years after Jesus death and that there must have been more than 4 people that had written Jesus story down, I not only wonder what went in there and why, but also what is missing and why.

As far as Augustin goes, he had no problems to use violence against people he comsidered to be heretics or schismatics, I do not think I got that wrong.

When it comes to the Dark Ages, you argue as if the Christian Faith had nothing to do with their times or were corrupted by it, though you could argue that the Dark Ages ended when people were beginning to free themselves from Christian dogma, i.e. the Ages were dark because of Christian faith, not in spite of it.

haney · May 22, 2006, 7:29pm

[quote]silencer wrote:
But wait,

“You are all son’s [uihos] of God through faith in Christ Jesus … and
if you are sons, then heirs.” (Gal 3:26)

how does this fit in with you saying uihos only means son in the way it applies to Jesus?[/quote]

Because when you are united as a believer you are basically grafted/adopted into the family of God. There by making you an adopted son/daughter. Most of the NT uses the word heirs to describe this relationship.

haney · May 22, 2006, 7:34pm

[quote]silencer wrote:
Haney, I dont know how you are searching the bible for greek words. Anyway, is it possible for you to verify the veracity of the following through a search and tell me if it’s true:

Matthew 12:18: “Behold my servant, whom I have chosen.”

Acts 3:13(RSV): “The God of Abraham, and of Isaac,… hath glorified his servant Jesus.”

Acts 4:27(RSV): “For of a truth against thy holy servant Jesus, whom thou hast anointed…”

The Actual Greek word used is “pias” or “paida” which mean; “servant, child, son, manservant.” Some translations of the Bible, such as the popular King James Version, have translated this word as “Son” when it is attributed to Jesus (pbuh) and “servant” for most everyone else, while more recent translations of the Bible such as the Revised Standard Version (RSV) now honestly translate it as “servant.” As we shall see in later chapters, the RSV was compiled by thirty two Biblical scholars of the highest eminence, backed by 50 cooperating Christian denominations from the “most” ancient Biblical manuscripts available to them today. Chances are that no matter what your church or denomination you are able to name, that church took part in the correction of the King James Version of the Bible which resulted in the RSV.

The exact same word “pias” is attributed to Jacob(Israel) in Luke 1:54 and translated as “servant”:

“He hath helped his servant Israel, in remembrance of his mercy;.”

It is also applied to King David in Luke 1:69, and once again, it is translated as “servant”:

“…the house of his servant David;” (also see Acts 4:25).

However, when it is applied to Jesus (e.g. Acts 3:13, Acts 4:27), NOW it is translated as “Son.” (notice that it is not only translated as “son” but as “Son”.) Why the double standard? Why the dishonest translation techniques?

“And verily, among them is a party who twist their tongues with the Scripture that you might think that it is from the Scripture but it is not from the Scripture; and they say, ‘It is from God’ but it is not from God; and they speak a lie against God while they know it!” (Qur’an 3: 78)

http://wings.buffalo.edu/sa/muslim/library/jesus-say/ch1.2.3.15.html

well, let me know if it’s true.[/quote]

I did a search for the word son in english, and then scolled through the greek references. As for why it is used differently through out the NT my guess would be the same reason we use english words differently through out every day.

The translation in to english is basically idea for idea, and not exact word for word.

It is clear with passages like john 3:16 what the take on Jesus is.

the word begotten is

monogenēs
mon-og-en-ace
From G3441 and G1096; only born, that is, sole: - only (begotten, child).

when us with uihos you can see why we hold a strict literal son interpretation.

orion · May 22, 2006, 7:43pm

[quote]ZEB wrote:
orion wrote:
ZEB wrote:
Orion it seems that you like debate spiritual matters, am I correct?

Yes, but for other reasons than you might think.

I don’t know the reasons, perhaps you could share them with me.[/quote]

Because religion is the only area of human “knowledge”/ideas where people shout their strange ideas from the mountaintops and where they are allmost proud to have no proof for anything they claim.

Because a lot of ideas that have shaped our culture and still serve us, were originally sold to us by religious doctrine.

Because there is genuine political and economic power in feeding peoples superstitions.

Because, no matter what I think of it, a lot of other people believe in it and, if I like it or not, I have to deal with them in some way.

Because there is a lot to be learned here what general shape a succesful meme complex has to have and what instructions it has to include.

The three things that come together in this area are: power, ideas and the human mind.

This particular combination is allmost irresistible.

ZEB · May 22, 2006, 8:18pm

[quote]orion wrote:
ZEB wrote:
orion wrote:
ZEB wrote:
Orion it seems that you like debate spiritual matters, am I correct?

Yes, but for other reasons than you might think.

I don’t know the reasons, perhaps you could share them with me.

Because religion is the only area of human “knowledge”/ideas where people shout their strange ideas from the mountaintops and where they are allmost proud to have no proof for anything they claim.

Because a lot of ideas that have shaped our culture and still serve us, were originally sold to us by religious doctrine.

Because there is genuine political and economic power in feeding peoples superstitions.

Because, no matter what I think of it, a lot of other people believe in it and, if I like it or not, I have to deal with them in some way.

Because there is a lot to be learned here what general shape a succesful meme complex has to have and what instructions it has to include.

The three things that come together in this area are: power, ideas and the human mind.

This particular combination is allmost irresistible.[/quote]

I think I understand your interests a whole lot better now.

I thank you!

storey420 · May 22, 2006, 9:06pm

[quote]ZEB wrote:
storey420 wrote:

I think that what Jesus was saying is that through him( ie. living the right way like him) you could find salvation. Not I am the man you must follow me and only me and every other belief system is bs!

Jesus earliest disciples tell us that he claimed to be the one and only path to God. He said, If you don?t follow me, you will not be in the kingdom of God (Matthew 7:26-27). If you reject me, you will not be with me in eternity (Matthew 10:32-33).

And:

Jesus said that “God has entrusted all judgment to the Son, that all may honor the Son just as they honor the Father. He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father, who sent him” (John 5:22-23). Jesus claimed to be the exclusive means of truth and salvation. People who reject him are also rejecting God.

“I am the light of the world,” he said (John 8:12). “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. If you really knew me, you would know my Father as well” (John 14:6-7). People who claim that there are other ways to salvation are wrong, Jesus said.

The early disciples also preached the same message:

Peter was equally blunt when he told the Jewish leaders, “Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved” (Acts 4:12).

Paul also made it clear when he said that people who did not know Christ were “dead in your transgressions and sins” (Ephesians 2:1). They had no hope, and despite their religious beliefs, they did not have God (verse 12). There is only one Mediator, he said?only one way to get to God (1 Timothy 2:5). Jesus was the ransom that everyone needed (1 Timothy 4:10). If there were any other law, or any other path that offered salvation, then God would have done it (Galatians 3:21).

It is through Christ that the world is reconciled to God (Colossians 1:20-22). Paul was called to spread the gospel among the gentiles. Their religion, he said, was worthless (Acts 14:15). It is like the book of Hebrews says: Christ is not just better than other paths?he is effective whereas they are not (Hebrews 10:11). It is an all-or-nothing difference, not one of relative benefit!

As you can see it transcends what Mark wrote. Jesus is THE only way to God and to eternal salvation.

Don’t be pulled into the politically correct world that we live in today. Which says there are plenty of ways to come to God and heaven, that is simply NOT the case according to the Bible.

I think that the creator of our universe is a little less myopic than that.

Yea, I have a lot of personal views too regarding various things in the Bible. But I separate MY personal views from the truth that is in the scriptures.

Many folks head off in the wrong direction today. They think that God has to fit THEIR version of what God should be.

But as we know that’s not the case.

I have been saved and do believe in Jesus Christ and try to live my life in a right manner, showing compassion for all others, helping my fellow man, etc.
However I have a very personal relationship with our creator and he doesn’t believe there is one way. “It” gave us the ability to choose our faith freely and just like the many languages of our earth there are many ways to say “his” name and many paths to get there.

As I have listed above there is only ONE way and ONE path to get to the father.

That is JESUS CHRIST!

Please don’t lead others astray.

Your stance on this is not based on scripture. It is a worldly, politically correct all encompassing view. It’s dangerous and quite wrong!
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Although I wanted to give you the benefit of the doubt, somehow I knew this would be your response Zeb. Quote some scripture, not address my concern that there may be a possibility that the men who wrote it had influenced what was written, and tell me that I am wrong in my beliefs.

I have accepted Jesus Christ as a savior, I believe he died to pay our wages of sin–and have thanked him for it, and every day thank god for the day and ask forgiveness for any sins of that day. I have a personal relationship with the creator, as we all should, and it is perfectly fine with my beliefs and how I conduct myself and has shown me that I am on the right path towards salvation.

This however isn’t good enough in your eyes and as you have so righteously stated is wrong and dangerous.

In fact, you and your kind are the dangerous ones as you send people away from a beautiful message with your judgemental attitude and self righteous.

I know that I’m am on the path to Heaven and will be in the presence of our creator and Jesus Christ but I would never presume to tell another being that their view is wrong. The bible is a great tool for inspiration in the right hands and a tool for destruction in the wrong. While I’m sure you feel that you are the “right” way. I can assure after many talks with the divine that your narrow sightedness won’t keep you from salvation but it will make you come back to learn more humility.

steveo5801 · May 22, 2006, 10:58pm

[quote]silencer wrote:
steveo5801 wrote:

First of all, everyone is a sinner. Now to us, different sins have different degrees of horror and they do! However, since God is Holy and cannot be in the presence of sin, ALL sin is sin to God and therefore must be punished.

God has provided a way for [b] everyone – Jew, Muslim, Catholic, etc. – to go to Heaven. That way is Jesus Christ (period!).

There is no other Name under Heaven whereby we must be saved! There aren’t many ways to God – there is ONE WAY. Jesus said Himself:

“I am the way, the truth and the life, [i] no man (no one) comes unto the Father, except by (through) me.” [/b]

Anyone who accepts Jesus Christ as their personal Savior from sin and trusts only Jesus – not Jewish law, Muslim Law, Catholic dogma, etc. – that perons will go to Heaven. All others are on their way to Hell – but it doesn’t have to be that way! Everyone has the opportunity to hear and come to the Truth.

As for your hypothetical “crimminal” that murders, rapes, and then comes to God. To this I can only say that I always doubt these jailhouse “conversions.” That is a matter between the person and God.

How about YOU . What are YOU going to do with Jesus now that you have heard the Truth that you (and everyone else) are a sinner, and that if you don’t accept Jesus’ payment for your sin, you will have to pay for your own sin by an eternity in Hell. Stop worrying about this mythological “crimminal.” We are ALL crimminals in God’s sight. Work on yourself! [/i]

"And they say: None shall enter Paradise except he who is a Jew or a Christian. These are their vain desires. Say: Bring your proof if you are truthful.

Indeed, whoever submits himself entirely to God and he is the doer of good, he has his reward from his Lord, and there is no fear for him nor shall he grieve.

And the Jews say the Christians have no basis in what they follow, and the Christians say the Jews have no basis in what they follow; yet both are readers of the Scripture. Even thus speak those who know not. God will judge between them on the Day of Resurrection concerning that wherein they differ."
(Qur’an 2:111-113)

Surely those who believe, and those who are Jews, and the Christians, and the Sabians, whoever believes in God and the Last day and does good, they shall have their reward from their Lord, and there is no fear for them, nor shall they grieve. (Qur’an 2:62)

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Thank you for increasing my faith!

This drivel that you quoted doesn’t even sound like Scripture! It is so man made and says nothing except – we will find out someday. God doesn’t write that way – He is very much to the point and Has said that “no one gets into Heaven except through Jesus.” That is consistent with the Hebrew Scriptures which is God’s FIRST Word to mankind.

Do you actually believe in the Koran? Are you a muslim?

In any event – You need Christ! “Ye must be born again!”

silencer · May 23, 2006, 4:16am

[quote]steveo5801 wrote:

silencer wrote

"And they say: None shall enter Paradise except he who is a Jew or a Christian. These are their vain desires. Say: Bring your proof if you are truthful.

Indeed, whoever submits himself entirely to God and he is the doer of good, he has his reward from his Lord, and there is no fear for him nor shall he grieve.

And the Jews say the Christians have no basis in what they follow, and the Christians say the Jews have no basis in what they follow; yet both are readers of the Scripture. Even thus speak those who know not. God will judge between them on the Day of Resurrection concerning that wherein they differ."
(Qur’an 2:111-113)

Surely those who believe, and those who are Jews, and the Christians, and the Sabians, whoever believes in God and the Last day and does good, they shall have their reward from their Lord, and there is no fear for them, nor shall they grieve. (Qur’an 2:62)

Thank you for increasing my faith!

This drivel that you quoted doesn’t even sound like Scripture! It is so man made and says nothing except – we will find out someday. God doesn’t write that way – He is very much to the point and Has said that “no one gets into Heaven except through Jesus.” That is consistent with the Hebrew Scriptures which is God’s FIRST Word to mankind.

Do you actually believe in the Koran? Are you a muslim?

In any event – You need Christ! “Ye must be born again!”

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That doesn’t sound like scripture? you mean because it’s a direct speech from God and not someone reporting what he heard that Jesus said? Is that why it doesn’t sound like scripture?

And you’re telling me the Hewbrew scripture is the FIRST word to mankind? So what about the billions of people who lived before then? Are they all going to hell? Was God quiet for tens of thousands of years, not caring about guiding all those people, until suddenly he decided he should guide the people?

with the truth bringing good news and giving warning. There is no community to which a warner has not come. (Qur’an, 35: 24)

We have sent you We sent a Messenger among every people saying: “Worship God and keep clear of all false gods…” (Qur’an 16:36)

Prove to me that only the Christians will go to Heaven. Prove to me that when Jesus says he’s the only way to God,he’s addressing every person in every time and place, and not just the people he was sent to.

steveo5801 · May 23, 2006, 6:23am

[quote]silencer wrote:
steveo5801 wrote:

silencer wrote

"And they say: None shall enter Paradise except he who is a Jew or a Christian. These are their vain desires. Say: Bring your proof if you are truthful.

Indeed, whoever submits himself entirely to God and he is the doer of good, he has his reward from his Lord, and there is no fear for him nor shall he grieve.

And the Jews say the Christians have no basis in what they follow, and the Christians say the Jews have no basis in what they follow; yet both are readers of the Scripture. Even thus speak those who know not. God will judge between them on the Day of Resurrection concerning that wherein they differ."
(Qur’an 2:111-113)

Surely those who believe, and those who are Jews, and the Christians, and the Sabians, whoever believes in God and the Last day and does good, they shall have their reward from their Lord, and there is no fear for them, nor shall they grieve. (Qur’an 2:62)

Thank you for increasing my faith!

This drivel that you quoted doesn’t even sound like Scripture! It is so man made and says nothing except – we will find out someday. God doesn’t write that way – He is very much to the point and Has said that “no one gets into Heaven except through Jesus.” That is consistent with the Hebrew Scriptures which is God’s FIRST Word to mankind.

Do you actually believe in the Koran? Are you a muslim?

In any event – You need Christ! “Ye must be born again!”

That doesn’t sound like scripture? you mean because it’s a direct speech from God and not someone reporting what he heard that Jesus said? Is that why it doesn’t sound like scripture?

And you’re telling me the Hewbrew scripture is the FIRST word to mankind? So what about the billions of people who lived before then? Are they all going to hell? Was God quiet for tens of thousands of years, not caring about guiding all those people, until suddenly he decided he should guide the people?

with the truth bringing good news and giving warning. There is no community to which a warner has not come. (Qur’an, 35: 24)

We have sent you We sent a Messenger among every people saying: “Worship God and keep clear of all false gods…” (Qur’an 16:36)

Prove to me that only the Christians will go to Heaven. Prove to me that when Jesus says he’s the only way to God,he’s addressing every person in every time and place, and not just the people he was sent to.[/quote]

There were no “thousands of years” befoe Genesis 1:1 – In the beginning God…" .

No thousands of years, no people – nothing. God made the universe out of nothing and gave us the Hebrew Scriptures that gives manking everything they need for life and godliness (2 Pet. 1:3).

As for proving – all I can say is that Jesus (the Son of God) said that He was the only way.

You can take the writings of man (many thousands of years AFTER Genesis 1:1 occurred – remember Islam is a very recent religion as compared to Judaism – I will take God at His Word. .

Should we believe Jehovah’s Witnessess just because someone “invented” a religion in the 1800’s?

I am sorry to say, that if Christianity’s clamims are correct – Islam and every other man made religion is false. You cannot have “Christ is the only way,” and then have other ways.

One God – One Way! Jesus Christ!

YOU must be born again!

steveo5801 · May 23, 2006, 6:39am

[quote]silencer wrote:
steveo5801 wrote:

silencer wrote

Prove to me that only the Christians will go to Heaven. Prove to me that when Jesus says he’s the only way to God,he’s addressing every person in every time and place, and not just the people he was sent to.[/quote]

Prove to me that Isalm [a religion invented thousands of years after God’s pronoucement in Genesis 1:1] is correct. You may use only the Koran to do this.

ZEB · May 23, 2006, 8:25am

[quote]storey420 wrote:

I have accepted Jesus Christ as a savior, I believe he died to pay our wages of sin[/quote]

Since you know this to be true. Tell me why would God would send his one and only son to die for our sins if it is alright for people to turn away and embrace other religions?

That makes no sense!

What would be the point of Jesus Christ coming to earth if someone can be saved in so many other ways? It would have been illogical for God to send such a sacrifice if any other belief would do as well!

It certainly is good enough! In fact, it’s a wonderful thing. However, when you speak of there being other ways to the father…well every single fact in the Bible states that YOU are wrong! As I have said it’s not just by one mans writing. Every single book (of the Bible) when speaking of being saved, speaks of only ONE WAY, and that is through faith in Jesus Christ!

That in turn makes other ways WRONG!

The beautiful message that you speak of is Gods great sacrifice to mankind. Not some sort of twisted Hollywood anything you believe in is just fine and dandy.

In fact that mocks Gods great sacrifice for mankind.

Also. it has nothing to do with me. I am simply pointing YOU to the scriptures. And if the scriptures say something different please point that out as I do not want to make a mistake.

Because there is no wrong? Or because it’s not politically correct to tell anyone they are wrong.

Which is it?

Jesus Christ talked quite a lot about those who were wrong. As did every single one of his disciples! How can you embrace this (as you say you do) yet reject the main message?

The politically correct world does not want any of us to tell anyone they are wrong. But that is not sound biblical theology.

For example:

How can someone get to the father and spend enternity in heaven if they worship a stone image of some great tribal warrior?

How does that glorify the great gift from the creator: Jesus Christ!

If YOU do not tell them they are wrong who will?

[quote]The bible is a great tool for inspiration in the right hands and a tool for destruction in the wrong. While I’m sure you feel that you are the “right” way. I can assure after many talks with the divine that your narrow sightedness won’t keep you from salvation but it will make you come back to learn more humility.
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I am nothing! This is not about me. It’s about the word of God!

[b]Either Jesus Christ is THE savior or he isn’t. The Bible (all through it not just one writer) states that Jesus is THE only way. You cannot have it both ways. Why would you bother to accept Jesus Christ if the book is full of lies?

Why would God send his only son if there were other avenues for reaching heaven? That is illogical![/b]

Now please point out exactly where you have read this doctrine of yours. Let me examine it…I am very interested.

It’s not in the Bible…where did you read it?

Did you simply create it because it “seems” like a cool “all encompassing politically correct” thing to believe?

What are you basing your philosophy on? I am genuinely interested.

vroom · May 23, 2006, 9:52am

[quote]steveo5801 wrote:
You wish to make this out to be like academics. It is not. If you are totally blinded in your HEART to the truth, you cannot understand it. You have to WANT IT to understand it. [/quote]

Could you find a quote in the Bible to support this little self-belief of yours?

Funny, I didn’t see Jesus mention me anywhere in the Bible. Funny how you’d think you know this. Calling you an idiot or an asshole does not in fact make me an unrepentant.

quote Alone in the outer darkness of nothing.

(2) You will be eternally separated from God and all of your loved ones and everyone else for that matter.

(3) Your body will be on fire for eternity, but will not consume itself. You will feel agony for ever and ever.

(4) You will be screaming on the top of your lungs and grinding your teeth for pain, for ever and ever.

Hell, my friend, is very real. Jesus paid for your sins. If you don’t accept his free gift, you will have to pay for your own sins.
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Enjoy your time there.

vroom · May 23, 2006, 9:55am

[quote]As I have said it’s not just by one mans writing. Every single book (of the Bible) when speaking of being saved, speaks of only ONE WAY, and that is through faith in Jesus Christ!

That in turn makes other ways WRONG![/quote]

Yeah, and Jesus himself said it was enough to live by the rules (just don’t be rich).

Strange, isn’t it?

Assuming of course you trust that his words were accurately portrayed.

JPBear · May 23, 2006, 11:58am

[quote]vroom wrote:
As I have said it’s not just by one mans writing. Every single book (of the Bible) when speaking of being saved, speaks of only ONE WAY, and that is through faith in Jesus Christ!

That in turn makes other ways WRONG!

Yeah, and Jesus himself said it was enough to live by the rules (just don’t be rich).

Strange, isn’t it?

Assuming of course you trust that his words were accurately portrayed.[/quote]

Good point Vroom. There are in fact two ways to heaven - through the blood of Jesus, or through living a sinless life. Just remember though, God judges the intentions of the heart as well as actions. Jesus expounded on the Ten Commandments in his Sermon on the Mount. He claimed that you have committed adultery if you look with lust, and you have murdered if you call your brother a fool. Besides, I don’t know of one single person (besides Jesus) who has always kept the first commandment, let alone the rest of them.

Also, the Bible does not say that we can make up for sin by doing good. It says that blood must be shed for the payment of sin.

In the story you are referring to, Jesus spoke this way to the rich young ruler in order to humble him, since he falsely thought he was without sin. Jesus tried to show him the depth of God?s standard.

silencer · May 23, 2006, 1:04pm

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