Post Here To Accept Jesus Christ

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
653

[quote]vroom wrote:
Holy Shit! This thread has seen a fucking resurrecton of it’s own. I think maybe it’s because it’s a Jesus thread.[/quote]

Vroom, now I think you are beginning to get it – somewhat.[quote]

See, I listened to these tards… if I don’t want to read it I don’t have to, but just like the devil, this thread keeps popping up and tempting me.[/quote]

Yes, Vroom, when you don’t agree with someone, then that person or persons is/are labled “tards” and other choice names that you have in your expansive mind of yours.[quote]

It’s a wicked thread. Damn it! Damn it to hell.[/quote]

Actually, I need to correct you. This is a very holy thread since it is about God and Jesus Christ. As for your remark about Hell – this thread is designed with that exactly in mind. Except, unlike you, I pray that people consider the things of God and will not be damned to Hell! .

Remember, God wishes that “all come to repentance [salvation].” Even you![quote]

Anyhow, unless you are zealot there is plenty of room for interpretation in many areas of most religions. It is the room for interpretation and relaxation that allows religions to coexist peacefully with those of different beliefs.[/quote]

Yes, there is plenty of room for interpreting: “As many received Him, he gave them power to become the sons of God.” And, “Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shall be saved, and thy house.” And, “whoever shall call upon the name of the Lord, shall be saved.” And on and on we go…

Seriously, I will give you the fact that some of the Bible is very difficult to comprehend. However, would we not expect that if God wrote the Book? I mean, if WE could contain HIM in our intellect, then how could He be God?

That being said, much of the major doctrines – salvation, holy living, etc. – are quite straightforward, if you read and interpret the Bible in its historical, and verbal context.[quote]

Zealotry and unflinching “I have the right interpretation and all must adopt it” attitudes are the bane of the Earth.[/quote]

Not if you have the “T” truth! The Bible = Truth![quote]

Suck it up. Saying so does not make me an athiest you retarded idiot. I trust everybody knows that I’m talking to Steveo?[/quote]

Oh, I am so hurt…sob, sob, sob…[quote]

–

P.S. Zeb, you know full well that you and I have sparred with quoted passages and there are some that appear to have Jesus saying it is enough to live appropriately and love God… you don’t have to be a dork like Steveo proclaims, loudly and repeatedly, to everyone who might have been interested in Christianity until he opens his mouth.[/quote]

Jesus was very clear in His pronoucements. He was also clear that those who were “not of His sheep” were “of their father, the Devil,” and thus could not understand spiritual truth.

You wish to make this out to be like academics. It is not. If you are totally blinded in your HEART to the truth, you cannot understand it. You have to WANT IT to understand it.

Vroom, on the basis of the teaching of Jesus and upon the Word of God, you are an unrepentant sinner, you are on your way to a Christless and Godless Hell where you will be:

(1) Alone in the outer darkness of nothing.

(2) You will be eternally separated from God and all of your loved ones and everyone else for that matter.

(3) Your body will be on fire for eternity, but will not consume itself. You will feel agony for ever and ever.

(4) You will be screaming on the top of your lungs and grinding your teeth for pain, for ever and ever.

Hell, my friend, is very real. Jesus paid for your sins. If you don’t accept his free gift, you will have to pay for your own sins.

I don’t want that for you, Vroom.

Accept Jesus and be saved!

Eternity awaits…

654

[quote]harris447 wrote:
ZEB wrote:
harris447 wrote:
ZEB wrote:
harris447 wrote:
I don’t respect communists, flat-earters, or others who follow systems of thought that should be remitted to the dust-bin of history.

This “respect for each others’ beliefs” is a crock of shit.

And before you go whining about how the group who controls the country is being persecuted, ALL religious “thought” should be mocked, not just yours.

Very potentially explosive philosophy that you have there harris.

I wonder what sort of country we would have if we all participated in this idea of yours?

It might open up a very serious divide in this country given the fact that we are all pretty much separated on some level:

Religious, political, racial, economic, etc.

Tell me more about your philosophy. Do you advocate just ridicule and mocking what we don’t like? Or, do you want to take it to another level?

You’re a teacher right?

:slight_smile:

I am a teacher. Therefore, it is easy for me to point out the inherent flaw in your “reasoning.”

Race, money, politics, and religion are not equivalents; they cannot be compared.

Race and economic status are inherent fixations. If you don’t believe in race, then so what: people are still black, brown, white, etc. Close your eyes to money all you want, but some people still burn beans on the grill whil others live in a deluxe apartment in the sky.

Religion, however, is just a story people believe. None of it actually physically exists. Sure, the buildings the church/synagogue/mosque/temple reside in exist (tax-free for some totally unfathomable reason), but the religions themselves are just memeplexes.

So, then: your analogy is utter twaddle.

Mocking people who believe in magic is perfectly acceptable.

No actually what you are doing is exercising religious bigotry. And this is no better than if someone were to stand out on the street corner and call the next black man who walks past a nigger. It’s sick and disgusting!

And your claim that “economic status is an inherent fixation.” Is wrong minded (why am I not surprised).

Would you say that it would okay for Donald Trump to stand out on the street corner and make fun of a person because he is poor?

Now that person could presumably change his economic status, but…

No harris your brand of hate is really not as unique as you’d like people to think it is.

I’m just glad that the only place that you exercise this hatred is on the Internet. I know that if you pushed it too far in the school your at you would have a room full of ticked off parents. And then you’d be looking for work and couldn’t post your hatred each day in your down time as a teacher.

Actually trying to rationalize your hatred for christians…That’s even low for you. You need help my man.

It’s becoming boring hearing you accuse anyone who doesn’t agree with you as being hateful.

Are the people who root for sports teams other than yours hateful, as well?

I don’t hate religious people. I don’t hate religion.

I think the whole think is silly and a waste of time. I think the samething about baseball, but that emotion cannot be categorized as hate, now could it?

Try again, my man.
[/quote]

Harris,

Perhaps if you were nice about it and debated without calling names or saying things that are nasty, Zeb (and others) would have a different opinion of you.

For me, I could care less, except that you seem very very angry when the things of God are mentioned. That would indicate a heart-problem that only Jesus can fix.

Give your heart to Jesus Christ – you need to be saved.

655

hey steveo, where exactly are heaven and hell?

and could you point out where in the koran or torah etc etc there religious beliefs break down?

cheers.

656

[quote]Christophe wrote:
hey steveo, where exactly are heaven and hell?

and could you point out where in the koran or torah etc etc there religious beliefs break down?

cheers.[/quote]

I don’t know. The Bible doesn’t tell us “where” the location of either is.

However, I don’t have to know the location of Heaven or Hell to know that it is real. Before the advent of maps and global positioning devices, someone on the other side of the world may not have known exactly where North America was – does that mean it doesn’t exist? Of course not!

My freind, if you wish to stake your eternity on the fact that “if I don’t know where these places are, then they don’t exist,” go right ahead.

As for me and my house, “we will believe the Lord!”

Koran / Torah == what are you talking about? I don’t understand what you are asking.

657

I respect Jesus, but only because we all know he started the sport of powerlifting, it must have taken him years of dedicated training to move that huge boulder…

658

[quote]steveo5801 wrote:
vroom wrote:
Holy Shit! This thread has seen a fucking resurrecton of it’s own. I think maybe it’s because it’s a Jesus thread.

Vroom, now I think you are beginning to get it – somewhat.

See, I listened to these tards… if I don’t want to read it I don’t have to, but just like the devil, this thread keeps popping up and tempting me.

Yes, Vroom, when you don’t agree with someone, then that person or persons is/are labled “tards” and other choice names that you have in your expansive mind of yours.

It’s a wicked thread. Damn it! Damn it to hell.

Actually, I need to correct you. This is a very holy thread since it is about God and Jesus Christ. As for your remark about Hell – this thread is designed with that exactly in mind. Except, unlike you, I pray that people consider the things of God and will not be damned to Hell! .

Remember, God wishes that “all come to repentance [salvation].” Even you!

Anyhow, unless you are zealot there is plenty of room for interpretation in many areas of most religions. It is the room for interpretation and relaxation that allows religions to coexist peacefully with those of different beliefs.

Yes, there is plenty of room for interpreting: “As many received Him, he gave them power to become the sons of God.” And, “Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shall be saved, and thy house.” And, “whoever shall call upon the name of the Lord, shall be saved.” And on and on we go…

Seriously, I will give you the fact that some of the Bible is very difficult to comprehend. However, would we not expect that if God wrote the Book? I mean, if WE could contain HIM in our intellect, then how could He be God?

That being said, much of the major doctrines – salvation, holy living, etc. – are quite straightforward, if you read and interpret the Bible in its historical, and verbal context.

Zealotry and unflinching “I have the right interpretation and all must adopt it” attitudes are the bane of the Earth.

Not if you have the “T” truth! The Bible = Truth!

Suck it up. Saying so does not make me an athiest you retarded idiot. I trust everybody knows that I’m talking to Steveo?

Oh, I am so hurt…sob, sob, sob…

–

P.S. Zeb, you know full well that you and I have sparred with quoted passages and there are some that appear to have Jesus saying it is enough to live appropriately and love God… you don’t have to be a dork like Steveo proclaims, loudly and repeatedly, to everyone who might have been interested in Christianity until he opens his mouth.

Jesus was very clear in His pronoucements. He was also clear that those who were “not of His sheep” were “of their father, the Devil,” and thus could not understand spiritual truth.

You wish to make this out to be like academics. It is not. If you are totally blinded in your HEART to the truth, you cannot understand it. You have to WANT IT to understand it.

Vroom, on the basis of the teaching of Jesus and upon the Word of God, you are an unrepentant sinner, you are on your way to a Christless and Godless Hell where you will be:

(1) Alone in the outer darkness of nothing.

(2) You will be eternally separated from God and all of your loved ones and everyone else for that matter.

(3) Your body will be on fire for eternity, but will not consume itself. You will feel agony for ever and ever.

(4) You will be screaming on the top of your lungs and grinding your teeth for pain, for ever and ever.

Hell, my friend, is very real. Jesus paid for your sins. If you don’t accept his free gift, you will have to pay for your own sins.

I don’t want that for you, Vroom.

Accept Jesus and be saved!

Eternity awaits…

[/quote]

To be honest with you mate, suppose if christianity is true to the letter. I don’t like the idea of a hell. Therefore, even if god knocks on my door tonight and says “come join the force” I still wouldn’t believe in him… Simply because his morals are different to mine. If I was god then I certainly wouldn’t want to seperate families, or burn people for eternity, must be a nice guy, eh? I want a religion that belives in ME, not the other way around…

Religion is something that’s inside people, in one form or another, it’s not Christianity, Islam, Judaism, or, it’s what we beleive to be right and how we act towards other people… It’s alright to preach, but religion never practices…

Oh and have you seen that new film the Da Vinci Code? I just bet you would love it, I downloaded it for free AND watched it,

Immoral?

659

[quote]ZEB wrote:
harris447 wrote:
ZEB wrote:
ephrem wrote:

…according to the fairytale, he never died. So where’s the sacrifice?

This is the type of lack of respect for another persons religion that Christians put up with daily!

Why does religion have to be respected?

Even if we don’t agree with must at least show respect.
[/quote]

But mainstream religion doesn’t respect people. It’s always being pushed onto us one way or another, of which this thread is an example.

660

This thread should do what Jesus did and DIE.

661

[quote]vroom wrote:

P.S. Zeb, you know full well that you and I have sparred with quoted passages and there are some that appear to have Jesus saying it is enough to live appropriately and love God… you don’t have to be a dork like Steveo proclaims, loudly and repeatedly, to everyone who might have been interested in Christianity until he opens his mouth.[/quote]

Well vroom, in reality the disciples of Jesus Christ were mostly beaten and killed for doing just what you say NOT to do. The passed the word along that Jesus Christ is the savior of the world!

We, as Christians are obligated to spread the gosple of Christ whenever we get the opportunity. This thread is of course “one” opportunity. That you are offened by Steveo is probably typical of how many were offended by Peter or Paul when they spread the message.

Not that Steveo is on par with Peter or Paul. And you are certainly not on par with someone who would actually harm another for their religious beliefs. However, there are some on this very site that I wonder about regarding their desire to harm a Christian simply for his/her beliefs. The hatred is pretty rampid with three or four posters.

Let’s face it, in reality Jesus Christ was killed by men who did not want him around saying what he was saying.

The anger, the hate (again not by you ) is expected and will get even worse…

What the haters and even the doubters should do is to point out Biblically where Steveo, me or any Christian is wrong relative to the scriptures.

There are not that many on this thread (other than yourself) who even try to do this. They simply spew their hate slogans, assume they know what God is (Hollywoods version or some other wacky idea) and move on. Or, the Atheists pop in and compare God to some something that is not real, hit the hate words and yada yada yada…

I have not one time ever seen an Atheists who actually studied the Bible, understood it’s orgin and authenticity and then rejected it!

They hate what they do not know or understand.

But again, that’s not you buddy…

662

[quote]miniross wrote:
This thread should do what Jesus did and DIE.
[/quote]

It did!

It died and came back.

:slight_smile:

663

[quote]harris447 wrote:
ZEB wrote:
harris447 wrote:
ZEB wrote:
harris447 wrote:
I don’t respect communists, flat-earters, or others who follow systems of thought that should be remitted to the dust-bin of history.

This “respect for each others’ beliefs” is a crock of shit.

And before you go whining about how the group who controls the country is being persecuted, ALL religious “thought” should be mocked, not just yours.

Very potentially explosive philosophy that you have there harris.

I wonder what sort of country we would have if we all participated in this idea of yours?

It might open up a very serious divide in this country given the fact that we are all pretty much separated on some level:

Religious, political, racial, economic, etc.

Tell me more about your philosophy. Do you advocate just ridicule and mocking what we don’t like? Or, do you want to take it to another level?

You’re a teacher right?

:slight_smile:

I am a teacher. Therefore, it is easy for me to point out the inherent flaw in your “reasoning.”

Race, money, politics, and religion are not equivalents; they cannot be compared.

Race and economic status are inherent fixations. If you don’t believe in race, then so what: people are still black, brown, white, etc. Close your eyes to money all you want, but some people still burn beans on the grill whil others live in a deluxe apartment in the sky.

Religion, however, is just a story people believe. None of it actually physically exists. Sure, the buildings the church/synagogue/mosque/temple reside in exist (tax-free for some totally unfathomable reason), but the religions themselves are just memeplexes.

So, then: your analogy is utter twaddle.

Mocking people who believe in magic is perfectly acceptable.

No actually what you are doing is exercising religious bigotry. And this is no better than if someone were to stand out on the street corner and call the next black man who walks past a nigger. It’s sick and disgusting!

And your claim that “economic status is an inherent fixation.” Is wrong minded (why am I not surprised).

Would you say that it would okay for Donald Trump to stand out on the street corner and make fun of a person because he is poor?

Now that person could presumably change his economic status, but…

No harris your brand of hate is really not as unique as you’d like people to think it is.

I’m just glad that the only place that you exercise this hatred is on the Internet. I know that if you pushed it too far in the school your at you would have a room full of ticked off parents. And then you’d be looking for work and couldn’t post your hatred each day in your down time as a teacher.

Actually trying to rationalize your hatred for christians…That’s even low for you. You need help my man.

It’s becoming boring hearing you accuse anyone who doesn’t agree with you as being hateful.[/quote]

That is not what I’m doing you deception won’t work. Anyone can disagree, no problem.

But you promote ridicule and hatred toward Christians. And I’m always going to point that out whenever I get the opportunity.

Do you promote ridicule and mockery out of love? No, those things come from hatred.

[quote]I think the whole think is silly and a waste of time. I think the samething about baseball, but that emotion cannot be categorized as hate, now could it?

Try again, my man.
[/quote]

I agree you can think something is silly and not hate it. But when you open up someone to ridicule because of their faith? Well, that is hatred!

And it’s you who needs to “try again” to rationalize the hatred that you have for Christians, because the above falls dramatically short.

664

[quote]alstan90 wrote:

To be honest with you mate, suppose if christianity is true to the letter. I don’t like the idea of a hell. Therefore, even if god knocks on my door tonight and says “come join the force” I still wouldn’t believe in him… Simply because his morals are different to mine. If I was god then I certainly wouldn’t want to seperate families, or burn people for eternity, must be a nice guy, eh? I want a religion that belives in ME, not the other way around…

Religion is something that’s inside people, in one form or another, it’s not Christianity, Islam, Judaism, or, it’s what we beleive to be right and how we act towards other people… It’s alright to preach, but religion never practices…

[/quote]

I think I see where you are coming from. Your two main points:

  1. If God agreed with you you would then follow God.

  2. You are a secular humanist who simply believes in treating people well.

Do I have that right?

I am trying to understand before I am understood.

:slight_smile:

665

[quote]alstan90 wrote:
steveo5801 wrote:
vroom wrote:
Holy Shit! This thread has seen a fucking resurrecton of it’s own. I think maybe it’s because it’s a Jesus thread.

Vroom, now I think you are beginning to get it – somewhat.

See, I listened to these tards… if I don’t want to read it I don’t have to, but just like the devil, this thread keeps popping up and tempting me.

Yes, Vroom, when you don’t agree with someone, then that person or persons is/are labled “tards” and other choice names that you have in your expansive mind of yours.

It’s a wicked thread. Damn it! Damn it to hell.

Actually, I need to correct you. This is a very holy thread since it is about God and Jesus Christ. As for your remark about Hell – this thread is designed with that exactly in mind. Except, unlike you, I pray that people consider the things of God and will not be damned to Hell! .

Remember, God wishes that “all come to repentance [salvation].” Even you!

Anyhow, unless you are zealot there is plenty of room for interpretation in many areas of most religions. It is the room for interpretation and relaxation that allows religions to coexist peacefully with those of different beliefs.

Yes, there is plenty of room for interpreting: “As many received Him, he gave them power to become the sons of God.” And, “Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shall be saved, and thy house.” And, “whoever shall call upon the name of the Lord, shall be saved.” And on and on we go…

Seriously, I will give you the fact that some of the Bible is very difficult to comprehend. However, would we not expect that if God wrote the Book? I mean, if WE could contain HIM in our intellect, then how could He be God?

That being said, much of the major doctrines – salvation, holy living, etc. – are quite straightforward, if you read and interpret the Bible in its historical, and verbal context.

Zealotry and unflinching “I have the right interpretation and all must adopt it” attitudes are the bane of the Earth.

Not if you have the “T” truth! The Bible = Truth!

Suck it up. Saying so does not make me an athiest you retarded idiot. I trust everybody knows that I’m talking to Steveo?

Oh, I am so hurt…sob, sob, sob…

–

P.S. Zeb, you know full well that you and I have sparred with quoted passages and there are some that appear to have Jesus saying it is enough to live appropriately and love God… you don’t have to be a dork like Steveo proclaims, loudly and repeatedly, to everyone who might have been interested in Christianity until he opens his mouth.

Jesus was very clear in His pronoucements. He was also clear that those who were “not of His sheep” were “of their father, the Devil,” and thus could not understand spiritual truth.

You wish to make this out to be like academics. It is not. If you are totally blinded in your HEART to the truth, you cannot understand it. You have to WANT IT to understand it.

Vroom, on the basis of the teaching of Jesus and upon the Word of God, you are an unrepentant sinner, you are on your way to a Christless and Godless Hell where you will be:

(1) Alone in the outer darkness of nothing.

(2) You will be eternally separated from God and all of your loved ones and everyone else for that matter.

(3) Your body will be on fire for eternity, but will not consume itself. You will feel agony for ever and ever.

(4) You will be screaming on the top of your lungs and grinding your teeth for pain, for ever and ever.

Hell, my friend, is very real. Jesus paid for your sins. If you don’t accept his free gift, you will have to pay for your own sins.

I don’t want that for you, Vroom.

Accept Jesus and be saved!

Eternity awaits…

To be honest with you mate, suppose if christianity is true to the letter. I don’t like the idea of a hell. Therefore, even if god knocks on my door tonight and says “come join the force” I still wouldn’t believe in him… Simply because his morals are different to mine. If I was god then I certainly wouldn’t want to seperate families, or burn people for eternity, must be a nice guy, eh? I want a religion that belives in ME, not the other way around…

Religion is something that’s inside people, in one form or another, it’s not Christianity, Islam, Judaism, or, it’s what we beleive to be right and how we act towards other people… It’s alright to preach, but religion never practices…

Oh and have you seen that new film the Da Vinci Code? I just bet you would love it, I downloaded it for free AND watched it,

Immoral?

[/quote]

Believe it or not, I do know and understand where you are comming from. Most people [myself included for much of my life] wants a “god” of their own imagination. You know, one that just loves, excuses sin, and lets everyone “off the hook” so all can go into His Heaven.

The problem is that the one True God, is not someone that we invent. God is God and we are the creation. We don’t usually like that, and that is why to come to God, we need to turn from our wicked godless ways, and humble ourselves before Him, and accept the free gift of salvation. That is something that you and all of us don’t wish to do naturally.

However, that does not diminish tht God wants you to come to Him and that Hell and Heaven are real.

Are you really saying that if you knew for SURE – 100% certain – that Hell is real and that you would suffer for eternity, you would still reject God? Think about what you are saying.

I am praying for you…

666

[quote]alstan90 wrote:
ZEB wrote:
harris447 wrote:
ZEB wrote:
ephrem wrote:

…according to the fairytale, he never died. So where’s the sacrifice?

This is the type of lack of respect for another persons religion that Christians put up with daily!

Why does religion have to be respected?

Even if we don’t agree with must at least show respect.

But mainstream religion doesn’t respect people. It’s always being pushed onto us one way or another, of which this thread is an example.[/quote]

Nobody’s pushing anyone friend. The title of this thread which I started is “Post Here To Accept Jesus Christ.” In my opening remarks, I invited people who were ‘interested in spiritual things’ to ask questions and have a dialogue. I am not forcing anyone to read this or to respond.

I do hope that will happen and that people will be interested enough to read the Bible for themselves and ask God if He is real or not.

Just thought I clarfiy your statement, because that is just not the case. This is a public forum and everyone has the right to post, answer, and most of all be respected.

Take care…

667

[quote]miniross wrote:
This thread should do what Jesus did and DIE.
[/quote]

Amazing isn’t it.

Death couldn’t hold Jesus. The Bible still lives on despite all of the critics and attempts to rid the world of the Word.

Amazing!

668

[quote]ZEB wrote:
What the haters and even the doubters should do is to point out Biblically where Steveo, me or any Christian is wrong relative to the scriptures.
[/quote]

I do not have to point out anything. Why should I try to point out, that you don’t know the Bible? That’s not even true, is it? The fact, that you know the Bible is not a proof of God. And if we find out, that you have misinterpreted something, that doesn’t disprove him.

669

[quote]karva wrote:
ZEB wrote:
What the haters and even the doubters should do is to point out Biblically where Steveo, me or any Christian is wrong relative to the scriptures.

I do not have to point out anything. Why should I try to point out, that you don’t know the Bible? That’s not even true, is it? The fact, that you know the Bible is not a proof of God. And if we find out, that you have misinterpreted something, that doesn’t disprove him. [/quote]

Karva,

Do think you are a sinner? What are you going to do about your sin? Why should God forgive you?

The Bible says that the wages [payment for] sin is death: physical death and spiritual death in Hell.

You are correct that ultimately, God cannot be ‘proven.’ Are you really willing to stake your eternal destiny on the fact that you don’t ‘feel’ this can be true? What IF it is?

And it is!

670

[quote]steveo5801 wrote:
This is a public forum and everyone has the right to post, answer, and most of all be respected.

[/quote]

Not according to harris who stated that Christians deserve to be mocked and ridiculed.

671

[quote]karva wrote:
ZEB wrote:
What the haters and even the doubters should do is to point out Biblically where Steveo, me or any Christian is wrong relative to the scriptures.

I do not have to point out anything. Why should I try to point out, that you don’t know the Bible? That’s not even true, is it? The fact, that you know the Bible is not a proof of God. And if we find out, that you have misinterpreted something, that doesn’t disprove him. [/quote]

First keep in mind why this thread was begun:

Hence, no one is really here to “prove” the existance of God!

I encouraged you (and everyone) to spend time in the Bible in order to make sure that anyone posting on this thread is true and accurate relative to their quoting of the scripture.

As far as Gods existance I will quote this one passage:

ROMANS 1:20:

"For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities-his eternal power and divine nature-have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse!"

Interestig, God’s word says that there is no excuse for not knowing that there is a God.

The fact that you posted here tells me that you do have some interest in God.

I hope that you explore that interest by exploring the Bible.

Take care,

Zeb

672

Can I ask you something steveo…

Do you think people of other faits, ie islam, judaism, go to hell?

Also what about someone who has commited the most horrible crimes during their life, suppose a paedophile went to prison, came out, then murdered a little girl, and went back inside for life. In prison he repented his sins and turned to god and christianity. Does he go to heaven? While someone who has always been kind and helped people, you know a genuinely nice person, who doesn’t have faith go to hell?

I hope you don’t say yes…