The “because I said so” technique.
I’m very sure it would only take a couple of minutes to make an extensive list of other people’s beliefs that you don’t respect.
[quote]doogie wrote:
ZEB wrote:
This is the type of lack of respect for another persons religion that Christians put up with daily!
harris447 wrote:
Why does religion have to be respected?
ZEB wrote:
Even if we don’t agree with must at least show respect.
The “because I said so” technique.
I’m very sure it would only take a couple of minutes to make an extensive list of other people’s beliefs that you don’t respect.
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You know what doogie, while I may not like what some do (gee I wonder what you’re talking about lol) I still try to show respect for them.
We are to love the sinner and hate the sin.
[quote]orion wrote:
There is no distinction to be made between religious moderates or fundamentalists.[/quote]
Um…that seems a bit extreme my friend. Please explain this to me if you don’t mind.
Thank you,
Zeb
[quote]orion wrote:
ZEB wrote:
harris447 wrote:
ZEB wrote:
ephrem wrote:
…according to the fairytale, he never died. So where’s the sacrifice?
This is the type of lack of respect for another persons religion that Christians put up with daily!
Why does religion have to be respected?
Even if we don’t agree with must at least show respect.
For you Zeb, yes, for what you believe in, no…
I?m sorry, but that time is over…
There are people out there justifying and doing all kinds of crazy shit because their holy book says so.
There is no distinction to be made between religious moderates or fundamentalists.
The distinction is between those who actually believe and the rest who believes in a watered down version of whatholybookever, and are able to convince themselves that their branch of superstition is a gospel of peace…
Religious Christians and Muslims have to kill. Leviticus, Deuteronomy, all Gods own words. [/quote]
OK – deep breath. Now, please explain your statements here by showing us all of the atrocities that true, Bible-believing, fundamental Christians have committed. I don’t mean “Christian pretenders,” but members of Fundamental Baptist churches. When was the last time you heard of a person from this type of congregation commit murder on innocent people? Rob banks? Blow up pizza parlours? Blow up busses? Blow up trains? Crash planes into buildings?
When???
Your clever attempt to EQUATE fundamental Muslims with fundamental Christians is a good debating tactic – [b] BUT IT AMOUNTS TO SQUAT!
Once again:
Muslims: Muslims send their sons to kill others for the sake of Allah.
Christians: God sent His Son to die Himself, for the sake of saving mankind from their sins.
180 degree difference, my friend – no two ways about it.[/b] [quote]
The rest, that simply ignore everything that does not fit into the fairy tale of their choice are actually non-believers.
If you can state things without evidence, I can dismiss them without evidence. See how quickly I can discard the Bible?
Sad, in a way…
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What “evidence” are you looking for? Do you actually deny that Jesus existed, performed miracles, was crucified, and basically CHANGED THE ENTIRE WORLD. We even reckon time (the calendar) according to Him!
The greatest evidence is the existence of so many believers in Him – lives that have been radically changed by Him.
Look around you – “The heavens declare the glory of God, and the firmament showeth forth his handiwork. Day after day utterth speech…”
In other words, the Creation itself is evidence for God – the Bible, His Word is the final say.
[quote]ZEB wrote:
ephrem wrote:
ZEB wrote:
ephrem wrote:
…according to the fairytale, he never died. So where’s the sacrifice?
This is the type of lack of respect for another persons religion that Christians put up with daily!
…it’s really alot like, “hate the sin, not the sinner”. The religion entitles you to fullfil your egoic desires, which is from a human standpoint totally understandable and i don’t judge you for it, but as far as the religion goes… it’s vile and utter garbage…
More insults and personal put downs!
You are not only not adding anything you are taking away.
As for hating the sin and loving the sinner that makes perfect sense. Would you have it the other way around?
Hmm…maybe you would.
(shaking head)
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…to me, the way you have your religion justify your need to be set apart from others, with all it’s damaging consequences, is exactly like “hate the sin, not the sinner.” From my POV, your lifestyle is destructive and does not ask for respect. You on the other hand have my respect, as a person, but i don’t equate you as a person with the religion you follow. I have plenty of religious friends, and they know how i feel about religion, and they are okay with that…
…if only you would seek therapy, perhaps then you’d see you don’t need an outside source for confidence and meaning, but that you can be happy and productive without this crutch. Look into it Zeb, it’s not too late…
…not taking yourself too serious is a sign of good mental health…
[quote]steveo5801 wrote:
OK – deep breath. Now, please explain your statements here by showing us all of the atrocities that true, Bible-believing, fundamental Christians have committed. I don’t mean “Christian pretenders,” but members of Fundamental Baptist churches. When was the last time you heard of a person from this type of congregation commit murder on innocent people? Rob banks? Blow up pizza parlours? Blow up busses? Blow up trains? Crash planes into buildings?
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Its now gone from general Christians to fundamental baptist churches ? What next, blonde hair and blue eyes ? Its a shame you never did a tour in Northern Ireland or the Balkans to see first hand of what religion really means.
[quote]ZEB wrote:
harris447 wrote:
ZEB wrote:
ephrem wrote:
…according to the fairytale, he never died. So where’s the sacrifice?
This is the type of lack of respect for another persons religion that Christians put up with daily!
Why does religion have to be respected?
Even if we don’t agree with must at least show respect.
[/quote]
No we don’t. I don’t respect communists, flat-earters, or others who follow systems of thought that should be remitted to the dust-bin of history.
This “respect for each others’ beliefs” is a crock of shit.
And before you go whining about how the group who controls the country is being persecuted, ALL religious “thought” should be mocked, not just yours.
[quote]Stigg. wrote:
steveo5801 wrote:
OK – deep breath. Now, please explain your statements here by showing us all of the atrocities that true, Bible-believing, fundamental Christians have committed. I don’t mean “Christian pretenders,” but members of Fundamental Baptist churches. When was the last time you heard of a person from this type of congregation commit murder on innocent people? Rob banks? Blow up pizza parlours? Blow up busses? Blow up trains? Crash planes into buildings?
Its now gone from general Christians to fundamental baptist churches ? What next, blonde hair and blue eyes ? Its a shame you never did a tour in Northern Ireland or the Balkans to see first hand of what religion really means.
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I think the point is, it’s about Jesus Christ, not “religion.” I think when the focus shifts away from Christ we get further into trouble.
[quote]harris447 wrote:
I don’t respect communists, flat-earters, or others who follow systems of thought that should be remitted to the dust-bin of history.
This “respect for each others’ beliefs” is a crock of shit.
And before you go whining about how the group who controls the country is being persecuted, ALL religious “thought” should be mocked, not just yours.[/quote]
Very potentially explosive philosophy that you have there harris.
I wonder what sort of country we would have if we all participated in this idea of yours?
It might open up a very serious divide in this country given the fact that we are all pretty much separated on some level:
Religious, political, racial, economic, etc.
Tell me more about your philosophy. Do you advocate just ridicule and mocking what we don’t like? Or, do you want to take it to another level?
You’re a teacher right?
ephrem,
You first.
[quote]ephrem wrote:
…not taking yourself too serious is a sign of good mental health…[/quote]
… in fact, I’d argue it is the most important sign of intelligence.
[quote]hspder wrote:
ephrem wrote:
…not taking yourself too serious is a sign of good mental health…
… in fact, I’d argue it is the most important sign of intelligence.
[/quote]
Hey if I don’t take my self seriously then who will?
[quote]haney wrote:
hspder wrote:
ephrem wrote:
…not taking yourself too serious is a sign of good mental health…
… in fact, I’d argue it is the most important sign of intelligence.
Hey if I don’t take my self seriously then who will?[/quote]
hspder will.
[quote]haney wrote:
hspder wrote:
ephrem wrote:
…not taking yourself too serious is a sign of good mental health…
… in fact, I’d argue it is the most important sign of intelligence.
Hey if I don’t take my self seriously then who will?[/quote]
TOO seriously. The key here being “TOO”.
[quote]hspder wrote:
haney wrote:
hspder wrote:
ephrem wrote:
…not taking yourself too serious is a sign of good mental health…
… in fact, I’d argue it is the most important sign of intelligence.
Hey if I don’t take my self seriously then who will?
TOO seriously. The key here being “TOO”.
[/quote]
sure get technically on me!
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
Lorisco wrote:
ZEB wrote:
harris447 wrote:
ZEB wrote:
ephrem wrote:
…according to the fairytale, he never died. So where’s the sacrifice?
This is the type of lack of respect for another persons religion that Christians put up with daily!
Why does religion have to be respected?
Even if we don’t agree with must at least show respect.
I’m surprised that you dignified harris’ sniping comment by answering it. It goes without saying (apparently except for harris) that respecting people means also respecting their beliefs. But frequently in the US that means respecting other beliefs as long as they aren’t Christians.
Here we go again, crying persecution.
Once again, you’re 80% of the population in the US, and the largest religion in the world. Stop whining.[/quote]
Irish, I’m not whining, I just want the ridicule to be balanced. Being the majority has nothing to do with it. The fact is that in the US if you put Christians down Hollywood and the media applaud. But if you say; “Buddha is fat and a poor model of self control” everyone gets upset and wants to call it a hate crime.
[quote]orion wrote:
There are people out there justifying and doing all kinds of crazy shit because their holy book says so.
[/quote]
What does it matter if their “holy book” told them to do it or if their talking dog told them to do it? It is still wrong. You want to impugn an entire belief systems because of a few idiots. I guess that would also mean that bodybuilders are all stupid because a few are? All Asians drive poorly because a few do? All black are on welfare because as few are?
Dude, your lack of knowledge about Christianity is pathetic. Bring up OT texts or references makes no sense. Here is a tip: THERE WERE NO CHRISTIANS IN THE OLD TESTAMENT, THEY WERE ALL JEWS! HELLO!
Here is another tip; Christians believe in Jesus Christ, hence the word “Christian”. Evidentially you are not the sharpest tool in the tool shed, so I will break it down for you; Christians follow Christ. That means they do what he did and believe like he believed. So when you can find a text in the Bible indicating that Jesus taught or advocated any kind of violence against our fellow man, you let me know.
[quote]ZEB wrote:
orion wrote:
There is no distinction to be made between religious moderates or fundamentalists.
Um…that seems a bit extreme my friend. Please explain this to me if you don’t mind.
Thank you,
Zeb
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My fundamental problem is that I more or less know what the Bible and the Qu?ran teaches.
As far as memes go, “kill everyone that does not agree with this meme”, that is a quite successful instruction, for obvious reasons…
You know the book.
Everyone that disagrees with the Bible has to die. If your children disagree with you, they have to die. Two different plants in one field, death.
Honestly, the list is endless.
I do not get how you are able to ignore all the Bibles inconsistencies (I know, there are none),completely shut out the inherently violent nature of Christianity, and turn all of this blood dripping scroll into a message of peace.
However, I am not so much concerned with truth, but with “sellability”, and it would be awesome if I figured out how you do it.
If I managed to find out how Christians manage that, maybe we could lead Islam down the same road.
I mean they would still believe in things beyond any empirical proof (Kant “Critique of pure reason”, a book worth a read), but in more or less harmless ones.
However, I am aware that this would mean corrupting their faith, like the Christian faith has been corrupted.
[quote]steveo5801 wrote:
orion wrote:
ZEB wrote:
harris447 wrote:
ZEB wrote:
ephrem wrote:
…according to the fairytale, he never died. So where’s the sacrifice?
This is the type of lack of respect for another persons religion that Christians put up with daily!
Why does religion have to be respected?
Even if we don’t agree with must at least show respect.
For you Zeb, yes, for what you believe in, no…
I?m sorry, but that time is over…
There are people out there justifying and doing all kinds of crazy shit because their holy book says so.
There is no distinction to be made between religious moderates or fundamentalists.
The distinction is between those who actually believe and the rest who believes in a watered down version of whatholybookever, and are able to convince themselves that their branch of superstition is a gospel of peace…
Religious Christians and Muslims have to kill. Leviticus, Deuteronomy, all Gods own words.
OK – deep breath. Now, please explain your statements here by showing us all of the atrocities that true, Bible-believing, fundamental Christians have committed. I don’t mean “Christian pretenders,” but members of Fundamental Baptist churches. When was the last time you heard of a person from this type of congregation commit murder on innocent people? Rob banks? Blow up pizza parlours? Blow up busses? Blow up trains? Crash planes into buildings?
When???
Your clever attempt to EQUATE fundamental Muslims with fundamental Christians is a good debating tactic – [b] BUT IT AMOUNTS TO SQUAT!
Once again:
Muslims: Muslims send their sons to kill others for the sake of Allah.
Christians: God sent His Son to die Himself, for the sake of saving mankind from their sins.
180 degree difference, my friend – no two ways about it.[/b]
The rest, that simply ignore everything that does not fit into the fairy tale of their choice are actually non-believers.
If you can state things without evidence, I can dismiss them without evidence. See how quickly I can discard the Bible?
Sad, in a way…
What “evidence” are you looking for? Do you actually deny that Jesus existed, performed miracles, was crucified, and basically CHANGED THE ENTIRE WORLD. We even reckon time (the calendar) according to Him!
The greatest evidence is the existence of so many believers in Him – lives that have been radically changed by Him.
Look around you – “The heavens declare the glory of God, and the firmament showeth forth his handiwork. Day after day utterth speech…”
In other words, the Creation itself is evidence for God – the Bible, His Word is the final say.
[/quote]
You are right, there are few Cristians doing the same things as devoted muslims.
My point is, that Christians somehow managed to pervert (yes, TWIST), the Bible into a gospel of peace.
I have no idea how, given the book that they are obliged to work with, they
managed to do that.
The amount of cherry picking, selectively ignoring passages and highlighting others is mindboggling.
I am asking you, honestly, how do you manage to do that.
That kind of irrationality might be a vital resource.