[quote]knewsom wrote:
religion is a worldwide phenomenon, and by nature, political.
…what section would YOU classify this under?[/quote]
This is not a thread discussing religion. It is an invitation to become a Christian.
There is no magic rule, but I’d say it belongs in the Get a Life section - that’s just me.
[quote]Mr. Push Ups wrote:
Hitler always said, “The bigger the lie, the more people will believe it”.
Maybe he was right.
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Thats the best thing I’ve heard come out of you yet.
Very true.
[quote]jsbrook wrote:
singram wrote:
Man,look at the verbal vomit coming out of peoples mouths.They say they hate Christians because they are small minded and intolerant.Then they go off being intolerent and small minded on somebodys beliefs and religon.Oh you’re a Christian,because of you we have wars,look at WWII.I can’t help it if Hitler hijacked my religon to promote his twisted and evil deeds.You don’t like Christans,fine,I don’t care for your bigoted anti-anybody whos a christan ignorant asses.You see,I respect anybodys beliefs unless it promotes hate,which does include some so-called Christains.And the hate coming out of some of the atheist on this thread toward religon is just fucked up.
Nah. It is self-righteous, sanctimonius, pompous, smug and not in keeping with the spirit of God to state that Christianity is the only legitimate religion. Further, it’s a position than many Christian leaders have rejected. It is wrong to condemn Christianty and Christians simply because you don’t share their beliefs. There are many wonderful things in and of Christianity. Chrisitanity is great. Evangelicism and this ‘Jesus is the only path to salvation’ attitude is not, and it’s not wrong to condemn that.
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We could debate all day long as to the veracity of the bible. We could sit here and correctly say that many who call themselves “Christian” are arrogant, smug and self-righteous. It is also accurate to say that religion shouldn’t be shoved down peoples throats. But…
IF you believe that the bible is revelation from God and accurate, and IF you desire follow what it says, part of that includes sharing your faith. Both Christ himself and the apostles made the claim that salvation through Christ is the only way.
John 14:6 “Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.”
Acts 4:10-12 “Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole. This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner. Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.”
I didn’t make up the “rules”. I believe the bible, and the bible clearly states that Christ is the only way. Any “leader” who states otherwise does not follow the Christ of the bible, and it causes me to wonder why they operate under its auspices at all. You can’t just pick and choose the parts you like and ignore the parts you don’t.
I have no quarrel with anyone who does not believe the same way I do, and I hope I do not come across that way.
[quote]singram wrote:
Man,look at the verbal vomit coming out of peoples mouths.They say they hate Christians because they are small minded and intolerant.Then they go off being intolerent and small minded on somebodys beliefs and religon.Oh you’re a Christian,because of you we have wars,look at WWII.I can’t help it if Hitler hijacked my religon to promote his twisted and evil deeds.You don’t like Christans,fine,I don’t care for your bigoted anti-anybody whos a christan ignorant asses.You see,I respect anybodys beliefs unless it promotes hate,which does include some so-called Christains.And the hate coming out of some of the atheist on this thread toward religon is just fucked up.[/quote]
What do you hope to gain from this? You respond with venom to people who don’t believe the same way you do? Your language and demeanor are not congruous to what you claim to believe. Show me how this is a Christian attitude.
[quote]steveo5801 wrote:
This thread is for anyone interested in their eternal soul. If you would like to know how to be saved and accept the only way to salvation – Jesus Christ – please post on this thread.
Jesus said: “?Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. ?Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. ?For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.” Matthew 11:28-30
When the Phillipian jailer asked Paul and Silas how he might be saved, they told him: ?“Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.” Acts 16:31
Remember, your ETERNAL SOUL is on the line. The Word of God teaches:
“?But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.” Revelation 21:8
Come to God the Bible way and be saved!
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1 Cor.1:18
“For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.”
Ga.6:7
“Do not be deceived, God is not mocked; for whatever a man sows, that he will also reap.”
Steveo,
By making this post, you have just made every person who reads it accountable to God one day for its’ contents. You are an awesome man of God; I’m pround to know that you are a brother in Christ!
In love,
Ramiro
[quote]deanec wrote:
I didn’t make up the “rules”. I believe the bible, and the bible clearly states that Christ is the only way. [/quote]
Why do so many Christian authorities, even the Catholic church state that this is not true.
[quote]deanec wrote:
I didn’t make up the “rules”. I believe the bible, and the bible clearly states that Christ is the only way. Any “leader” who states otherwise does not follow the Christ of the bible, and it causes me to wonder why they operate under its auspices at all. [/quote]
Yes, I suppose St. Justin and the Pope are both unqualifyingly wrong. You are right that you didn’t make up the rules. You don’t even know what they are. There are different views, even among Christians, as to who is ‘saved’ and even when agreement what the proper role of a Christian is. To say they are not Christian makes me sick to my stomach. As does Orthodox Jews saying conservative and reform jews aren’t really jewish, and fundamentalist, radical Muslims damming less religious ones as infidels.
Dean, specifically what you quoted doesn’t seem to me to refer to sharing faith. I don’t have a problem with sharing one’s faith easier. But I think we could all agree that there is a difference between sharing and providing information for those expressing interest and seeking to pique interest without preaching to shoving one’s views and sense of God and religion down the throats of people with their own sense of it.
[quote]deanec wrote:
I didn’t make up the “rules”. I believe the bible, and the bible clearly states that Christ is the only way. Any “leader” who states otherwise does not follow the Christ of the bible, and it causes me to wonder why they operate under its auspices at all. You can’t just pick and choose the parts you like and ignore the parts you don’t.
I have no quarrel with anyone who does not believe the same way I do, and I hope I do not come across that way.[/quote]
So you must feel that the bible, both old and new testament is true in every sense of the word and a perfectly literal interpretation is absolutely called for. And that there was and always has been perfect understanding of God’s message by the men who transcribed the bible. Further that the bible today is the same as it was 1000 years-nothing can have been added-nothing can have been taken away. The Bible today is not the same Bible we had a 1000 years ago. That is documented. The Holy Trinity itself has not existed since the dawn of Chrisitanity.
Rather, the dual nature of Jesus, both human and divine, was declared by a group of men in the Council of Nicaea. Before this there was some argument and controversy as to the nature of Jesus among Christians. You might argue that the Holy Trinity is the truth and was only revealed by God at that time but is indisputably true. But the case remains that both key beliefs of Chrisitiany and incarnations of the Bible evolved over time and expressed different things. Who is to say that God will not make his will manifest and show us that certain things we currently believe have been wrongly interpreted and/or enscribed in the Bible?
[quote]jsbrook wrote:
deanec wrote:
I didn’t make up the “rules”. I believe the bible, and the bible clearly states that Christ is the only way. Any “leader” who states otherwise does not follow the Christ of the bible, and it causes me to wonder why they operate under its auspices at all.
Yes, I suppose St. Justin and the Pope are both unqualifyingly wrong. You are right that you didn’t make up the rules. You don’t even know what they are. There are different views, even among Christians, as to who is ‘saved’ and even when agreement what the proper role of a Christian is. To say they are not Christian makes me sick to my stomach. As does Orthodox Jews saying conservative and reform jews aren’t really jewish, and fundamentalist, radical Muslims damming less religious ones as infidels.[/quote]
You have hit on something very valid.
We all can’t stand fundamentalist, radical Muslims. But somehow, fundamentalist radical Christians are better?
Aren’t these the same radicals that led to such things as the Inquisition, the Crusades, and burning Galileos at the stake?
Aren’t they, by forcing their religion down by throat, taking away my freedom of religion?
I don’t see how radical Christians are any better than radical Muslims. Radicalism in any religion is a bad, bad thing.
Perhaps the “Get an Afterlife” forum?
[quote]jsbrook wrote:
deanec wrote:
I didn’t make up the “rules”. I believe the bible, and the bible clearly states that Christ is the only way.
Why do so many Christian authorities, even the Catholic church state that this is not true.[/quote]
1)These words were spoken in confidence by Pope Pius XI to Cardinal Facchinetti whom he had just appointed Apostolic Delegate to Libya, and were only made public much later,
Do not think that you are going among infidels. Moslems attain to Salvation. The ways of Providence are infinite.
http://thecountercrusade.blogspot.com/2005/12/three-popes-quick-comparison.html
Surely those who believe and those who are Jews and the Sabians and the Christians whoever believes in Allah (God) and the last day and does good-- they shall have no fear nor shall they grieve.
[quote]jsbrook wrote:
Dean, specifically what you quoted doesn’t seem to me to refer to sharing faith. I don’t have a problem with sharing one’s faith easier. But I think we could all agree that there is a difference between sharing and providing information for those expressing interest and seeking to pique interest without preaching to shoving one’s views and sense of God and religion down the throats of people with their own sense of it.[/quote]
I agree, which is why I provided the scriptures that I believe back up my contention that salvation through faith in Christ is the only way. I don’t see where I tried to shove it down anyone’s throats.
[quote]jsbrook wrote:
deanec wrote:
I didn’t make up the “rules”. I believe the bible, and the bible clearly states that Christ is the only way. Any “leader” who states otherwise does not follow the Christ of the bible, and it causes me to wonder why they operate under its auspices at all. You can’t just pick and choose the parts you like and ignore the parts you don’t.
I have no quarrel with anyone who does not believe the same way I do, and I hope I do not come across that way.
So you must feel that the bible, both old and new testament is true in every sense of the word and a perfectly literal interpretation is absolutely called for. And that there was and always has been perfect understanding of God’s message by the men who transcribed the bible. Further that the bible today is the same as it was 1000 years-nothing can have been added-nothing can have been taken away. The Bible today is not the same Bible we had a 1000 years ago. That is documented. The Holy Trinity itself has not existed since the dawn of Chrisitanity.
Rather, the dual nature of Jesus, both human and divine, was declared by a group of men in the Council of Nicaea. Before this there was some argument and controversy as to the nature of Jesus among Christians. You might argue that the Holy Trinity is the truth and was only revealed by God at that time but is indisputably true. But the case remains that both key beliefs of Chrisitiany and incarnations of the Bible evolved over time and expressed different things. Who is to say that God will not make his will manifest and show us that certain things we currently believe have been wrongly interpreted and/or enscribed in the Bible?
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Does it matter how men “interpret” scripture if by doing so they are ignoring what is clearly there? Who did Christ himself claim he was?
I accept Jesus as a historical figure. The immaculate conception, resurrection etc however, are fabrication and nonsense.
I am drowning in a sea of stupidity, I can’t believe I bothered to read any of this thread, much less post to it.
Raise your hand if you believe any forum is going to change anybody’s mind about anything, much less about faith and values.
Discussions are fine, attempts to convert (in either direction) are laughable at best.
You guys should fight it out. Who ever wins is correct.
Jesus Built My Hotrod
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[quote]vroom wrote:
…what section would YOU classify this under?
Perhaps the “Get an Afterlife” forum?[/quote]
Now, Vroom - that was damn funny.
I find it funny that people find justification for trying to force their beliefs on others in the bible. “Here’s what you and I have to do and this is the Bible verse that tells us.” Meanwhile there is another verse a few books later that likely contradicts the same thing."
The Islamic terrorists exist because they believe it is a great service to god to kill the infidel.
I am Christian but would never try to convince others of my personal beliefs. Especially since many of mine fall out of line with the church.
So to you, I say, blow it out your fucking ass.
Enjoy your day.