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[quote]Dr. Stig wrote:
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Paradoxically what is ‘Quite predicable, and quite sad’ is the fact that you failed to read through the posts before making judgements about me. Which bit of ‘I am a Catholic’ makes you label me as Athiest ?[/quote]

I apologize for this mistake on my part. I have been posting to a few different people and that’s why I made such an error.

Again, sorry.

I have not promoted myself on this thread. If you think that I have show me where.

Stereotyping, and more personal attacks. I was correct about that part! You seem to want more to deride than to exchange thoughts.

How long have you had such hate? And do you only vent it on a message board?

More attacks and anti Christian rhetoric.

Glad you brought that passage of the Bible up. Believe it or not you can actually get into heaven and drive an SUV …Of course you can’t drive the SUV to heaven…(I don’t want any confusion on the matter :slight_smile:

This gives us both a chance to look at the actual scripture more closely:

"How hard it is for
those who have riches
to enter the
Kingdom of Heaven.

It is easier for a camel
to go through the eye
of a needle than for a
rich man to enter the
Kingdom of God.

Who then can be
saved?"
But looking at
them, Jesus said,
“With men it is
impossible,
but not with God;
for with God, all
things are possible.”

The point of the story is that with Jesus Christ ALL THINGS ARE POSSIBLE. Even me getting into heaven and also being able to drive an SUV while I’m still here on earth.

If you accept Christ as your savior you are forgiven! Even if you drive an SUV.

Keep in mind that that does not make me better than you or anyone else. It only means that I am going to heaven…FOR SURE!

:slight_smile:

There are many passages that I don’t especially like in the Bible. One of them is that it’s a sin to look at a woman with lust.

But I can’t pick and choose which ones to accept and which ones to avoid.

Do you?

[quote]You calling me an Athiest makes me laugh that you are ignorant to call me this, you are a fucking joke.
[/quote]

More mean spirited insults and personal attacks…

A Catholic huh?

Oooookay…

Take care mean guy.

:slight_smile:

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[quote]FlyingEmuOfDoom wrote:
This is where I disagree with Steveo and Zeb.

“Eternal Hell” is a myth.

Don’t be deceived!

Jesus Christ spoke of Hell more than he did Heaven!

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[quote]Dr. Stig wrote:
Also the Pope sends you a message ZEB, he says ‘Go give yer head a shake’.[/quote]

LOL…tell him I said hi.

I like the Pope.

At least what I know of him anyway.

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[quote]hspder wrote:
Dr. Stig wrote:
But really I don’t care, as you are religous AND American you are quite probably about as detached from reality as is possible. Now that’s not to say that this is the case for all American’s, just the ones who seem to think they are now some master race because they ‘embraced Christianity’.

Also wasn’t it you who said he drove a big gas guzzling 4wd because he ‘could afford too’? Which part of rich man, kingdom of heaven, camel, eye of needle did you miss ? Or were you too busy sifting through the bible looking for bits you liked a little like the way you missed the points in this thread.

That was beautiful. It really was. Thank you![/quote]

Beautiful to you. But untrue.

Read the passage my friend!

:slight_smile:

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[quote]ZEB wrote:

How long have you had such hate? And do you only vent it on a message board?

[/quote]

Do you know Vicky Pollards catchprase ?

LOL, do you worship in those white hooded robes then ?

You better hope so.

Faith is powerful, blind faith can plunge one into folly, so faith should be use sparingly like garlic.

Its all or nothing I’m afraid, no Americanism of the Bible is permitted.

You have no idea.

Not familiar with the old testament then ?

Yeah, we don’t make it onto the GOD channel much or get up on the mic.

Mean ?

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[quote]ZEB wrote:
FlyingEmuOfDoom wrote:
This is where I disagree with Steveo and Zeb.

“Eternal Hell” is a myth.

Don’t be deceived!

Jesus Christ spoke of Hell more than he did Heaven![/quote]

I’m sorry Zeb, but it is you who are being decieved by the majority of church teachings.

Did you watch this? Can you elaborate please?

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[quote]Dr. Stig wrote:

LOL, do you worship in those white hooded robes then ?[/quote]

More attacks and anti Christian
rhetoric.

[quote]Glad you brought that passage of the Bible up. Believe it or not you can actually get into heaven and drive an SUV …Of course you can’t drive the SUV to heaven…(I don’t want any confusion on the matter :slight_smile:

You better hope so.[/quote]

I put my faith in Jesus Christ. Whom do you put your faith in?

[quote]But I can’t pick and choose which ones to accept and which ones to avoid.

Do you?

You have no idea.[/quote]

I know, that’s why I asked.

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[quote]FlyingEmuOfDoom wrote:
ZEB wrote:
FlyingEmuOfDoom wrote:
This is where I disagree with Steveo and Zeb.

“Eternal Hell” is a myth.

Don’t be deceived!

Jesus Christ spoke of Hell more than he did Heaven!

I’m sorry Zeb, but it is you who are being decieved by the majority of church teachings.

Did you watch this? Can you elaborate please?

[/quote]

No Irish, I’m not at all impressed with certain “Church teachings.”

I look to the Bible for spiritual guidance.

And as I stated Jesus Christ spoke more of Hell than he did Heaven!

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[quote]ZEB wrote:
And as I stated Jesus Christ spoke more of Hell than he did Heaven!

[/quote]

Yeah, it’s like dissing a club you’ve never been to. All I’m seeing here from Jesus is a LOT of salesmanship.

This is why I referred to your belief system as a kind of extortion. This is the fearmongering I was talking about. This is the core message I’m getting from you guys:

“BELIEVE OR BURN, MOTHERFUCKER!!”

And as you say, Jesus went on and on about it. He spoke more of hell than of heaven, right?

I’m just saying that you guys shouldn’t be surprised that there are people like us who do not fall to our knees and tremble just because we are threatened with some eternal punishment.

Oh but Jesus wasn’t “selling”, he was “warning”? I can see how that would be a fine line… dependent upon how willing you are to suspend your disbelief in Jesus as the son of the Almighty. Thus… we have the miracles. More salesmanship. Only this time, it is the writers of the Bible who are doing the selling.

Did Jesus violate the laws of physics? I don’t know… how willing are you to suspend your disbelief? How prone are you to throw away your common sense in the face of Pascal’s Gambit? How much do you need to feel some kind of metaphysical father figure standing over you?

The more I think about this over the years, the more I come to realize that you guys go on “feel” more than anything. You guys do and say what feels comfortable to you, and that’s great. Like I’ve said many many times in these threads, just please please watch where that comfortable fuzzy cocoon of faith takes you.

Fact: You make yourself vulnerable to manipulation when you surrender your reason. That faith can be used as a weapon against those who do not deserve it. The more of you there are, the more ridiculous y’all can get in terms of actions you are willing to take to confirm that comfortable feeling to yourselves. Book burnings and the persecution of innocents is just the beginning. There is a reason that there is a dark and sinister past to Christianity that all of us would like to forget.

Power grabs by those with authority over fanatics. We see this today with other religions. For the love of metaphorical God, don’t let yourself become a tool of the selfish and power-hungry on account of that comfortable feeling.

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[quote]ZEB wrote:
FlyingEmuOfDoom wrote:
ZEB wrote:
FlyingEmuOfDoom wrote:
This is where I disagree with Steveo and Zeb.

“Eternal Hell” is a myth.

Don’t be deceived!

Jesus Christ spoke of Hell more than he did Heaven!

I’m sorry Zeb, but it is you who are being decieved by the majority of church teachings.

Did you watch this? Can you elaborate please?

No Irish, I’m not at all impressed with certain “Church teachings.”

I look to the Bible for spiritual guidance.

And as I stated Jesus Christ spoke more of Hell than he did Heaven!

[/quote]

Yeah, but he didn’ speak much of either.

Hell is only mentioned 23 times in the entire NT.

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[quote]lothario1132 wrote:
ZEB wrote:
And as I stated Jesus Christ spoke more of Hell than he did Heaven!

Yeah, it’s like dissing a club you’ve never been to. All I’m seeing here from Jesus is a LOT of salesmanship.

This is why I referred to your belief system as a kind of extortion. This is the fearmongering I was talking about. This is the core message I’m getting from you guys:

“BELIEVE OR BURN, MOTHERFUCKER!!”

And as you say, Jesus went on and on about it. He spoke more of hell than of heaven, right?

I’m just saying that you guys shouldn’t be surprised that there are people like us who do not fall to our knees and tremble just because we are threatened with some eternal punishment.

Oh but Jesus wasn’t “selling”, he was “warning”? I can see how that would be a fine line… dependent upon how willing you are to suspend your disbelief in Jesus as the son of the Almighty. Thus… we have the miracles. More salesmanship. Only this time, it is the writers of the Bible who are doing the selling.

Did Jesus violate the laws of physics? I don’t know… how willing are you to suspend your disbelief? How prone are you to throw away your common sense in the face of Pascal’s Gambit? How much do you need to feel some kind of metaphysical father figure standing over you?

The more I think about this over the years, the more I come to realize that you guys go on “feel” more than anything. You guys do and say what feels comfortable to you, and that’s great. Like I’ve said many many times in these threads, just please please watch where that comfortable fuzzy cocoon of faith takes you.

Fact: You make yourself vulnerable to manipulation when you surrender your reason. That faith can be used as a weapon against those who do not deserve it. The more of you there are, the more ridiculous y’all can get in terms of actions you are willing to take to confirm that comfortable feeling to yourselves. Book burnings and the persecution of innocents is just the beginning. There is a reason that there is a dark and sinister past to Christianity that all of us would like to forget.

Power grabs by those with authority over fanatics. We see this today with other religions. For the love of metaphorical God, don’t let yourself become a tool of the selfish and power-hungry on account of that comfortable feeling.[/quote]

As I stated in the post to zeb Hell isn’t talked about that much, and neither is Heaven for that matter.

Most of the messages the messages we get from Jesus or the Apostles doesn’t put a lot of weight on Hell, or Heaven. In many ways they treat those concepts as incidental. They seem to be more of a modern trend of preaching that has popped up because of wesley, and edwards.

Take heart I don’t think Jesus was selling anyone. More or less stressing a hope in a God that actually cared.

Then again you knew that since you have said more than once JC had some great things to say. :slight_smile:

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[quote]haney wrote:
Take heart I don’t think Jesus was selling anyone. More or less stressing a hope in a God that actually cared.

Then again you knew that since you have said more than once JC had some great things to say. :slight_smile:
[/quote]

Damn right, brother! Anybody who spreads the word that helpfulness and service to others is a noble pursuit has my vote of confidence.

Definitely a cool guy except for the “I am the son of God” part. I can understand the piggybacking onto the Judaism myth of the messiah, however. That gets the message out – an audience who wants to believe that they are saved.

Of course, it pissed off the Jewish leadership, though. I guess they put him down as publicly and humiliatingly as possible to dissuade anybody from remembering the guy, and losing their own power.

Didn’t work = too many Jesus fanatics that could write. :slight_smile:

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[quote]ZEB wrote:
FlyingEmuOfDoom wrote:
ZEB wrote:
FlyingEmuOfDoom wrote:
This is where I disagree with Steveo and Zeb.

“Eternal Hell” is a myth.

Don’t be deceived!

Jesus Christ spoke of Hell more than he did Heaven!

I’m sorry Zeb, but it is you who are being decieved by the majority of church teachings.

Did you watch this? Can you elaborate please?

No Irish, I’m not at all impressed with certain “Church teachings.”

I look to the Bible for spiritual guidance.

And as I stated Jesus Christ spoke more of Hell than he did Heaven!

[/quote]

Zeb,

I have no idea why you are calling me “Irish” or what that means.

Please prove to me through Bible scripture that hell is a place that people go for eternity.

You can’t because it’s not a place and people are not eternally living in torment.

If people are going to be “burning forever”, this means that they got the gift of eternal life that only the saved are supposed to get. It makes no sense.

When Christ returns and the saved are taken up, the people who are unsaved will be burned up out of existence by hell fire. They will be no more. That’s what hell is.

The misconception of hell being a literal place that people burn in for all eternity is one of the reasons so many people end up looking the other way when it comes to Christianity.

HELL IS NOT A PLACE THAT PEOPLE GO TO.

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[quote]doogie wrote:
steveo5801 wrote:

Fill in the blank:

If___________happened tomorrow, I would give up my belief that Jesus was the son of god.

Great question!

I will answer you:

If someone with 100% credibility and 100% proof, produced the dead body of Jesus (tomorrow or another day), I would give up my belief that Jesus was the son of God.

You see, Christianity rises and falls upon the resurrection. Nobody can do this since no body is here on Earth.

He lives – praise God!

Of the many answers I thought someone would come up with, this isn’t one of them.

Even though you could not produce a single body of ANY person mentioned in the Bible, Jesus is the only one you think was resurrected? Yet you see my inability to produce the body of Jesus as proof of his resurection?[/quote]

[b]

Doogie,

No body, no bones – because HE IS RISEN!! [/b]

The resurrection is the lynchpin that holds Christianity together. Consider this, hundreds of people saw Jesus after His crucifixion. His resurrection changed the world – we even reckon time (the calendar) after Him. The world has never been the same following Jesus’ coming to Earth to die in our place.

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[quote]doogie wrote:
“Fix reason firmly in her seat, and call to her tribunal every fact, every opinion. Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, than that of blindfolded fear”. --Thomas Jefferson[/quote]

You can have Jefferson – I’ll take God at His Word!

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[quote]ephrem wrote:
ZEB wrote:
ephrem wrote:
ZEB wrote:
…it continues to astound me, this apparent unwillingness to be honest about ones beliefs and simply say: these are my beliefs, they may not be true but i believe them to be regardless for they bring me happiness, peace and joy in life, and perhaps even in death…

…i don’t think anyone on this particular board will object to such a statement, or do you?

But…if there IS a God and you DON’T believe that there is a God. You are wrong, make no mistake about it!

…thank you for telling me i’m wrong, let me return the favour (-: If there is a God, it will not be anything like this antropomorphic asshole the bible makes him out to be, that is where you are wrong. An infinite being possesses no selfimage, it just is incomprehensable to us mere mortals. Your attempts to bring him down to our level perverts it’s mystery and makes the believer look foolish…

…now, on the offchance i am brought before a god to explain myself after death, i’m confident he’ll understand all my actions and take me under his wing, unlike those who believe otherwise, i’m not a sinner, i am perfectly human (-:

…i’ll remind you once again: …it continues to astound me, this apparent unwillingness to be honest about ones beliefs and simply say: these are my beliefs, they may not be true but i believe them to be regardless for they bring me happiness, peace and joy in life, and perhaps even in death…

[/quote]

Backwards thinking, my friend. It was God that brought Himself down to our level so that we might understand Him and have a personal relationship with Him.

God cares for us very much, but wants us to, on our own, come to Him in truth. If we do, He saves us, seals us, and keeps us unto the end.

You have it all backwards, since your assertions are not Biblical, yet you seem to despise the Bible.

YOU CANNOT HAVE A GOD OF YOUR OWN IMAGINATION!

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[quote]Dr. Stig wrote:
steveo5801 wrote:
Dr. Stig wrote:
steveo5801 wrote:

You need to be saved. Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shall be saved!

You need help mate. How do you know what I believe in ? I take this as a serious insult that you think you know about me when its only you who has placed his beliefs on a bigscreen tv for everyone to judge. I suggest you go away and learn some manners and humility, you are very ignorant. As it happens I am a Catholic (as far as you are concerned that means I am religous) and look right down at the manner in which you conduct your religous affairs.

Yes, but are you saved? . God wishes that all men should be saved. You accuse me of saying something to you without knowing you. What did I say? I just told you what God says in His Word – since God wishes that none perish, but ALL come to repentence – I can say upon God’s Word that you need to be saved.

The fact that you are a member of a religion – great. However, being Catholic or Jewish or Muslim, doesn’t mean that you are going to Heaven and that your eternal destiny is secure. It only means that you follow a particular man-made set of rules that actually are not in the Bible.

Please find for me in the Bible:

(1) Purgatory
(2) Pennance
(3) Worship and prayers to Mary
(4) The rosary
(5) Nuns
(6) Non-Jewish priests
(7) Sacraments

Shall I go on? Where is any of this in God’s Word.

Forgive me if I have offended you in any way. I am sorry. However, Jesus even said that he is not come to bring peace, but a sword. In the Book of Hebrews, God’s Word (The Bible) is compared to a “two edged sword” that pierces even to the dividing asunder of bone, marrow, joints, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

I am sorry that you don’t like “my brand of Christianity,” but I would submit for your consideration that “my brand” is actually the one that is Biblical.

Again, you need to be saved (John 3)

Seems you don’t know what Catholicism is, suggest you read up.[/quote]

I actually do know what it is and have “read up” somewhat.

My friend, my challenge to you was simple. Please give us SPECIFIC SCRIPTURE REFERENCES FROM THE HOLY BIBLE – GOD’S WORD – SUPPORTING THE TEACHINGS OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH AS I ENUMERATED THEM.

I don’t need links to websites. I want YOU to give us the references. If, as you say, the Catholic faith, is the “true” Christianity, surely its teachings would be in the Bible. Right?

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[quote]steveo5801 wrote:

[b]

Doogie,

No body, no bones – because HE IS RISEN!! [/b]

The resurrection is the lynchpin that holds Christianity together. Consider this, hundreds of people saw Jesus after His crucifixion. His resurrection changed the world – we even reckon time (the calendar) after Him. The world has never been the same following Jesus’ coming to Earth to die in our place.
[/quote]

You truly are insane.

Since you must know where Adam and Eve’s bones are (otherwise they MUST BE RISEN!!!), why don’t you dig them up? You could help prove that this whole evolution thing is wrong, and that the earth really is only 6,000 yrs old.

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[quote]ephrem wrote:
terribleivan wrote:
ephrem wrote:

steveo5801 wrote:
Atheist: I will not believe your fairy tale! I believe in science.

You see, long, long ago and far far away, it rained upon the rocks, and the DNA seeped into the ocean and little “beasties” came out and started to swim. Well, millions an millions of years later, out popped Grandpa!

…no, it so much more logical and easier to believe that a supernatural being that exists out of time and space created us and the universe just so he can judge us and punish us if were not up to par. That really makes sense (-:

Up to par? Can you elaborate on what up to par in God’s eyes is?

…i’ve been told many times by socalled christians that if i do not accept J.C. as the son of God, i’ll go to hell. Many socalled christians condemn sexually active gays to hell as they are an abberation in the eyes of God. Do you really want me to continue?[/quote]

Yes, please by all means continue.

I am a Christian and I don’t and cannot condemn you. What condems you or anyone else is that you were born a sinner, and if you don’t accept the free gift of salvation found only in Jesus, you are condemned already!

You have a choice – forsake your sin and come to the Savior, or wallow in your sin and go to Hell. This is not my words, but God’s Word.

The bad news: We are all sinners and are on the fact track to Hell.

The Good news: Jesus died for your sin and by believing in Him, you can get forgiveness of your sin and eternal life.

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[quote]steveo5801 wrote:
doogie wrote:
“Fix reason firmly in her seat, and call to her tribunal every fact, every opinion. Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, than that of blindfolded fear”. --Thomas Jefferson

You can have Jefferson – I’ll take God at His Word![/quote]

Unless God has spoken directly to you, youhave no idea what god’s words are.