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[quote]JPBear wrote:
You missed my point. God is not doing it, we are. One day there will be justice and all things will be restored. God gave us this earth to do what we want with it. We have chosen to destroy it. [/quote]

A conservative admitting WE are destroying Earth?

I must be missing something.

Are you talking about the part of Earth that is being destroyed by us directly – through construction, pollution, agriculture, etc. – and the species that we contributed directly for the extinction of?

Or are you talking about – like I thought initially you were – about species that disappear “naturally”, e.g. the ones that vanished at the end of the last Ice Age (10,000 years ago) due to the increase in temperature?

Honestly there is nothing new from either side on this thread. As I’ve stated before: No one in this day and age of politically correct “acceptance” ever wants to be told that they are wrong.

Not that anyone ever liked to be told that they were wrong. But today there is a resistance to Christianity which has been emboldened by the politically correct.

And the politically correct want desperately for Christians to either shut up, or simply accept the fact that what they believe is good too.

And since that would be in direct conflict with what the Bible teaches we are never going to do that. Hence, the natural conflict.

It is the fate of every Bible believing Christian to suffer ridicule and scorn. As soon as any Christian shares the word of God with a vehement non-believer.

Christian: “The Bible says that you are going to hell if you don’t accept Jesus Christ as your savior.”

Atheist: “How dare you attack my belief system (worldly politically correct beliefs). You are an evil hater and do not represent Christianity very well. BAD, BAD PERSON…BAD.”

Nothing new here…nothing.

Everyone have a nice evening.

:slight_smile:

[quote]hspder wrote:
JPBear wrote:
You missed my point. God is not doing it, we are. One day there will be justice and all things will be restored. God gave us this earth to do what we want with it. We have chosen to destroy it.

A conservative admitting WE are destroying Earth?

I must be missing something.

Are you talking about the part of Earth that is being destroyed by us directly – through construction, pollution, agriculture, etc. – and the species that we contributed directly for the extinction of?

Or are you talking about – like I thought initially you were – about species that disappear “naturally”, e.g. the ones that vanished at the end of the last Ice Age (10,000 years ago) due to the increase in temperature?[/quote]

You heard me correctly. We are destroying the earth.

[quote]steveo5801 wrote:
tme wrote:
mazilla wrote:
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Easily.

So why are you posting to it?[/quote]

If it’s not going to go away, we might as well voice our disdain for it.

I see you also skip over the more difficult posts to answer… isn’t that a surprise.

[quote]ZEB wrote:
It is the fate of every Bible believing Christian to suffer ridicule and scorn. As soon as any Christian shares the word of God with a vehement non-believer.[/quote]

Or somebody with common sense.

But I’d like to change your characterization of the atheist side, to more closely reflect the truth.

Atheist: “Ummm… I’m not afraid of your fairy tale. I’m not going to fall to my knees and tremble just because somebody threatens me.”

The reason we have threads like this where atheists call bullshit on the bible and the christian mindset is not just the fact that we are assholes. I know that I’m also in this to enCOURAGE you guys to fight the metaphysical extortion you have fallen victim to.

That, and you guys are fun. :slight_smile:

[quote]Christian: “The Bible says that you are going to hell if you don’t accept Jesus Christ as your savior.”

Atheist: “How dare you attack my belief system (worldly politically correct beliefs). You are an evil hater and do not represent Christianity very well. BAD, BAD PERSON…BAD.” [/quote]

Aahahaha. Nice try at characterization, but that’s not really what is going on.

It’s, NOT AGAIN! You see, a “believer” is someone who doesn’t listen to difficult to refute logic, but simply “believes” and has nothing new to say.

Once you’ve heard the message, hearing it over and over and over again, when there is nothing to it (by this I mean the person promoting it is unable to actually support their viewpoint very well) is just annoying.

It’s like being accosted by Hare Krishna in the airport.

And I should be careful, it isn’t that a “believer” is annoying, but more the loud “proclaimer” who really can’t talk to anyone about anything without making proclamations.

There are multiple interpretations of the content of the Bible, and nobody alive has any way to know which interpretation is correct (due to the faith issue), so proclamations are annoying when unwanted.

Yes, I can go elsewhere… but I’m busy proclaiming my own viewpoint… pbltpblt!

[quote]doogie wrote:
To the Christians,

What kind of proof would it take to convince you that Jesus is not the son of god?

I’m not arguing about whether or not there is a god. Just the Christian part of it.

Fill in the blank:

If___________happened tomorrow, I would give up my belief that Jesus was the son of god.[/quote]

Great question!

I will answer you:

If someone with 100% credibility and 100% proof, produced the dead body of Jesus (tomorrow or another day), I would give up my belief that Jesus was the son of God.

You see, Christianity rises and falls upon the resurrection. Nobody can do this since no body is here on Earth.

He lives – praise God!

[quote]ephrem wrote:
steveo5801 wrote:
ephrem wrote:
steveo5801 wrote:

That is only your belief . You can choose to believe this, but you must realize that unlike Christian belief which is based upon the Word of God, your belief here is made up out of your head.

…now this is unbelievable ((-: Belief is belief, no matter how you label it, Steve. That you can write this with a straight face is pretty impressive…

What are you talking about? My comment here was that the poster was expressing his beliefs, but, unlike Christian belief which is grounded upon God’s Word (The Bible), his belief was just from his head. In other words, where is the authority in his belief. I can believe anything I choose, but when eternity is at stake, I would make certain that I am grounded in something more sure than – “well I just believe it because I do.”

What is so hard to comprehend? I am puzzled by your seeming surprise at my comments.

…this is a symptom of your attitude Steve, the inability to comprehend a very straightforward thing. You deny the veracity of someone else’s belief by saying it’s not founded in authority, whilst your belief ?s. Yet you support this idea with just another belief, e.i. the authority of the bible. That is called ‘circular reasoning’, Steve…

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Sorry, dude, that is called [b] standing upon God’s Word. An I am still a’ standn’!!!

[quote]Dr. Stig wrote:
steveo5801 wrote:

You need to be saved. Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shall be saved!

You need help mate. How do you know what I believe in ? I take this as a serious insult that you think you know about me when its only you who has placed his beliefs on a bigscreen tv for everyone to judge. I suggest you go away and learn some manners and humility, you are very ignorant. As it happens I am a Catholic (as far as you are concerned that means I am religous) and look right down at the manner in which you conduct your religous affairs. [/quote]

Yes, but are you saved? . God wishes that all men should be saved. You accuse me of saying something to you without knowing you. What did I say? I just told you what God says in His Word – since God wishes that none perish, but ALL come to repentence – I can say upon God’s Word that you need to be saved.

The fact that you are a member of a religion – great. However, being Catholic or Jewish or Muslim, doesn’t mean that you are going to Heaven and that your eternal destiny is secure. It only means that you follow a particular man-made set of rules that actually are not in the Bible.

Please find for me in the Bible:

(1) Purgatory
(2) Pennance
(3) Worship and prayers to Mary
(4) The rosary
(5) Nuns
(6) Non-Jewish priests
(7) Sacraments

Shall I go on? Where is any of this in God’s Word.

Forgive me if I have offended you in any way. I am sorry. However, Jesus even said that he is not come to bring peace, but a sword. In the Book of Hebrews, God’s Word (The Bible) is compared to a “two edged sword” that pierces even to the dividing asunder of bone, marrow, joints, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

I am sorry that you don’t like “my brand of Christianity,” but I would submit for your consideration that “my brand” is actually the one that is Biblical.

Again, you need to be saved (John 3)

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[quote]hspder wrote:
steveo5801 wrote:
That is only your belief . You can choose to believe this, but you must realize that unlike Christian belief which is based upon the Word of God, your belief here is made up out of your head.

I take it very personally when people insult mine or other people’s intelligence. I was trying to be as polite and diplomatic about all of this, but, seriously, I’m starting to see you do not understand how to return it in kind.

So, what you’re saying is that Science is all made up out of our head, while the Word of God is not. That is indeed your prerogative.

I’ll make one more attempt at diplomacy, and try to make my point as kindly as possible.

Let’s, for a moment, completely forget about the theory of Evolution ? in fact about all scientific evidence, that shows, for example, contrary to what the Bible says, the lifespan of humans has been only increasing since we came about 200,000 years ago – so, I really don’t think Noah got to live to be 600 years old, and much less that he was the 10th generation after Adam (that would put him about a couple of centuries after the first Man, which means 190,800 years ago, at which point we all lived in the savanna and clearly were not able to build ships). For the sake of the argument, I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt there, take everything in Genesis as a non-literal allegory, etc., and get back to basics and things we can observe with our own eyes, today.

As I said, let’s forget about all of that, and, for a moment, accept the Bible as the Word of God and hence the Truth.

So tell me:

Considering that the Word of God says God is all-knowing, all living creatures were created by God, and the story of Noah according to chapters 5-9 of the book of Genesis (where “every living thing of all flesh” was saved):

How the Word of God – according to you, the TRUTH – explains that several animal species (“living thing things of all flesh”) get extinct every single day? Is it that God changes his mind? Is it that God realizes that a mistake was made creating them? How can you consolidate that with the belief that God is all-knowing? What is the point of creating millions of species, having them survive for millions of years, save every species during the Flood, to later destroy them, one by one?

Is there a prophecy hidden somewhere (maybe in the books of the Bible the mysteriously vanished over the course of History, and even more mysteriously nobody seems to care about) I’m missing that says that God’s plan includes killing off species by the handful every day, for absolutely no apparent reason, and in clear contrast with every single thing said in Genesis?

Basically, where does it provide an explanation for that in the Bible?

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Good question.

The Genesis account of Creation says that God created animals by “kind.” God led two of “every kind,” and “every sort,” into the ark. Therefore, not all the animals that we see today were actually in the Ark, but the “kinds” were. God instilled into these kinds the DNA that made it possible for different species OF THE SAME KIND to develop. Hence, I do believe in “micro-evolution” – the development of different species from the same “kind” of animal. Hence cats are cats, and dogs are dogs. It is “macro-evolution” the development of a different kind of animal or human from a different kind that is complete and utter nonesense.

As to why several species go extinct every day. I have no idea. I would caution you, however, in making such sweeping statements because are you sure that there are no more of these extinct animals around? Have millions of people looked all over the Earth for them? Taking your suppostion as fact though, I am not sure what this has to do with God’s Word, since God never said in the Bible that all species must live forever. As to His purpose – I don’t know.

You could get saved and then ask Him in eternity.

PS. I never said “science” is made up – but Evolution is not science. It is a faith based atheistic religion.

Remember, when it comes to Creation – Were you (or anyone of us) there?

[quote]hspder wrote:
JPBear wrote:
Please give me the verse you are referring to. The closest I could find was where God said He would never again destroy every living thing. Notice He did not say “any living thing”.

I get that. That’s not what I’m asking; what I’m asking is what is the point of an all-knowing God creating billions of non-sentient species and then destroying a few of them, ONE by ONE?

I mean, it’s not like those specific species are the only ones misbehaving and hence need to be smitten (first)…
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I just thought of something else to this issue. The Fall of mankind through Adam’s sin in the Garden, caused judgment to fall upon man, and also upon the Earth. Therefore, Biblically, it is sin – this sin-cursed Earth – through man’s disobedience to God, that has caused this.

A better question than why is God allowing this, is “what has God provided to reverse the curse?”

Jesus is the answer!

[quote]harris447 wrote:
JPBear wrote:
hspder wrote:

I get that. That’s not what I’m asking; what I’m asking is what is the point of an all-knowing God creating billions of non-sentient species and then destroying a few of them, ONE by ONE?

I mean, it’s not like those specific species are the only ones misbehaving and hence need to be smitten (first)…

Okay, maybe this will help. All of the destruction death, disease and extinction you see around you? That is the result of man and his sin. That is not God?s fault or his will. God wanted us to live sinless lives in paradise, but we have all chosen to disobey. The wages of sin is death.

So why hasn’t he done anything about it you ask? He has and he will. He sent us His Son so that we can be forgiven. He will one day judge all men and will hand out justice for all we have done. He will one day restore all of creation, and that includes the animals.

You are right in saying that nature has been affected. The Bible says that all of nature groans and cries out for God’s righteous judgement to come.

I mean this nicely, but: you are crazy as a shithouse rat.
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How do you know?

[quote]hspder wrote:
JPBear wrote:
You missed my point. God is not doing it, we are. One day there will be justice and all things will be restored. God gave us this earth to do what we want with it. We have chosen to destroy it.

A conservative admitting WE are destroying Earth?

I must be missing something.

Are you talking about the part of Earth that is being destroyed by us directly – through construction, pollution, agriculture, etc. – and the species that we contributed directly for the extinction of?

Or are you talking about – like I thought initially you were – about species that disappear “naturally”, e.g. the ones that vanished at the end of the last Ice Age (10,000 years ago) due to the increase in temperature?[/quote]

Please let me ask you a question. Please respond with a yes or a no.

Have you ever told a lie or stolen anything or looked upon a woman with lust, or envied something of someone else?

Have you ever committed any of these sins, even once?

I await your reply…

[quote]vroom wrote:
steveo5801 wrote:
tme wrote:
mazilla wrote:
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Easily.

So why are you posting to it?

If it’s not going to go away, we might as well voice our disdain for it.

I see you also skip over the more difficult posts to answer… isn’t that a surprise.[/quote]

Yeah, you wish. The ones I skip over, I do for the following reason:

(1) They are frivolus and I will not answer.

(2) They are complicated and require some thought (and time) to answer. These I usually respond to a day or so later.

If there is any post, Vroom, that you find that you think I skipped over and should answer, please bring this to my attention.

I can assure you that I am not afraid of any question, any discussion, or any dialogue with anyone. God has the answers to all questions of the human mind and heart.

Vroom: You must be born again!

[quote]lothario1132 wrote:
ZEB wrote:
It is the fate of every Bible believing Christian to suffer ridicule and scorn. As soon as any Christian shares the word of God with a vehement non-believer.

Or somebody with common sense.

Christian: “The Bible says that you are going to hell if you don’t accept Jesus Christ as your savior.”

But I’d like to change your characterization of the atheist side, to more closely reflect the truth.

Atheist: “Ummm… I’m not afraid of your fairy tale. I’m not going to fall to my knees and tremble just because somebody threatens me.”

The reason we have threads like this where atheists call bullshit on the bible and the christian mindset is not just the fact that we are assholes. I know that I’m also in this to enCOURAGE you guys to fight the metaphysical extortion you have fallen victim to.

That, and you guys are fun. :)[/quote]

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Christian: My friend, you need to be born-again. You need Jesus!

Atheist: I will not believe your fairy tale! I believe in science.

You see, long, long ago and far far away, it rained upon the rocks, and the DNA seeped into the ocean and little “beasties” came out and started to swim. Well, millions an millions of years later, out popped Grandpa!

[quote]steveo5801 wrote:

Fill in the blank:

If___________happened tomorrow, I would give up my belief that Jesus was the son of god.

Great question!

I will answer you:

If someone with 100% credibility and 100% proof, produced the dead body of Jesus (tomorrow or another day), I would give up my belief that Jesus was the son of God.

You see, Christianity rises and falls upon the resurrection. Nobody can do this since no body is here on Earth.

He lives – praise God!
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Of the many answers I thought someone would come up with, this isn’t one of them.

Even though you could not produce a single body of ANY person mentioned in the Bible, Jesus is the only one you think was resurrected? Yet you see my inability to produce the body of Jesus as proof of his resurection?

[quote]steveo5801 wrote:

The Genesis account of Creation says that God created animals by “kind.” God led two of “every kind,” and “every sort,” into the ark. [/quote]

GEN 7:2 Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female.

[quote]steveo5801 wrote:

[b]
Christian: My friend, you need to be born-again. You need Jesus!

Atheist: I will not believe your fairy tale! I believe in science.

You see, long, long ago and far far away, it rained upon the rocks, and the DNA seeped into the ocean and little “beasties” came out and started to swim. Well, millions an millions of years later, out popped Grandpa![/quote][/b]

All of your silly arguements fall apart when they aren’t applied to atheists.

Deist: I will not believe your fairy tale! I believe in science.

You see, there probably was a something that created all of this but we have no way of knowing who or what it was. Until we can prove exactly who or what this designer was, I’ll use nature and reason to guide my life. I’ll thank this designer for the blessings I see all around me, but I until he speaks directly to me, I won’t trust anyone who claims to no him without proof.

“Fix reason firmly in her seat, and call to her tribunal every fact, every opinion. Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, than that of blindfolded fear”. --Thomas Jefferson

[quote]doogie wrote:
“Fix reason firmly in her seat, and call to her tribunal every fact, every opinion. Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, than that of blindfolded fear”. --Thomas Jefferson[/quote]

That’s right, doogs. We should celebrate the concept of courage over fear.

Courage to overcome obstacles is responsible for just about every kind of human greatness we have ever achieved.

When my children were very young, I encouraged them to go off and encounter new things, new people (while I was watching over them, of course), and they developed into well-behaved, self-confident kids.

Seeing my kids unafraid and unshy on their first day of school made my heart swell with pride. They have many friends and are popular at school, and both of them are A students.

Point is, I would never want my kids to be cowering and running to me at the first sign of trouble. I want them to get out there to discover and solve their own problems, and to grow and learn as best as they can. I think any parent can understand just how I feel here.

So if we tie in the concept of God being a father figure, and his followers are his children, then I conclude that organized religion portrays God as a domineering and shitty parent.

No wonder you guys are so messed up in the head. :smiley: