Porn Addiction

[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:

[quote]cstratton2 wrote:
its more of a specific issue with MODERN pornography… Its not the same as looking at hustler or playboy… if you consider that pornographic, its a matter of NOVELTY addiction and actually is not even correlated to a sex addiction at all… The effects can come to effect sexual counters with real women and sexual health but in essence the problem itself is just an addiction to constant novelty seeking or pixels on a screen… It creates a warped view of what sex is actually like, You have some people that actually prefer porn to actual sex or see it as not to different then you have a potential problem… Its not natural to our ancient reward circuitry system thats the problem… It is an unnatural environment of virtually endless supply of something the brain can not register as being different from real… It will adapt to the changes and think it hit some sort of evolutionary jack pot, again it is all really really simple in normal terms… Desensitization and Hyper stimulation in the frontal cortex… Your brain is just trying to get as much as it can while the opportunity is present. It also will make changes to the brain that lay down like large electrical circuits that become reinforced to certain stimuli that it sees rewarding… Just simply the seeking and reward nature of the brain… It just so happens that with pornography masturbation is involved… But that alone does not mean your not at risk if you don’t do so while viewing because again it is the same fundamental changes that happen as when someone is addicted to any other such thing… I.E. food [/quote]

If I correctly understood what you were trying to convey here, it seems like pumping your Johnson to some topless chick playing with herself or getting fucked by some guy shouldn’t illicit any change in the “electrical circuits” in the brain that would cause a desensitisation to actual sex.

You’re talking about tricking the brain, which would require a large quantity of `artificial’ material.

I want to ask you your opinion on something – if a guy has a sexual fantasy that he can’t live out in real life, are you saying that if he gets enough of that by viewing it online he will eventually become desensitised to actual sex and hence lose some ability to sexually perform? What would be the time period of this transgression?

Another thing – is it simply a case of frequency or is any `artificially sourced stimulation’ threatening to actual sexual stimulation? [/quote]

No I am saying that a guy can become increasingly more and more desensitized after becoming hooked on porn in general even if it is just a chick playing with herself or whatever its not the content that matters… It can increasingly become more disturbing or violent etc… but the progression say from nude chicks on playboy sites to what ever it may be does not matter… It is the very act of novelty seeking and searching that causes increasingly desensitization… it is the brain trying to fertilize all these chicks on this screen with the same excitement and reward system as like World of Warcraft while at the same time trying to masturbate at a rate far higher normal then actual vaginal intercourse… If you are so interested or inclined then rather then getting into a debate with me about it check out the website and videos for yourself, I sure as hell can’t explain it as well as someone that has more experience on the topic I am just re playing the truth I found in what they have mentioned as well as my experience of how the brain functions.

Also it does not need to be some crazy high tech savy research to know if it warrants serious truth or not it just takes some common sense… The same I have found with people in the mental health field and approaching curing behavioral habits in the complete wrong manor, a topic I have alot more expirence and knowledge in but is a different topic entirely from this thread although addiction can lead to things such as anxiety, depression, and various other traits of acute symptoms of exaggerated function.

Another point I mentioned but that is worth keeping in mind is that your subconscious mind has NO ABILITY to distinguish between imagined, projected and actual sexual encounters. So as far as your brain is concerned, you wet your willy in 45 different vaginas, buttholes, mouths and hands before breakfast. No difference, to your brain, to your actually engaging in those sexual acts.

[quote]cstratton2 wrote:

[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:

[quote]cstratton2 wrote:
its more of a specific issue with MODERN pornography… Its not the same as looking at hustler or playboy… if you consider that pornographic, its a matter of NOVELTY addiction and actually is not even correlated to a sex addiction at all… The effects can come to effect sexual counters with real women and sexual health but in essence the problem itself is just an addiction to constant novelty seeking or pixels on a screen… It creates a warped view of what sex is actually like, You have some people that actually prefer porn to actual sex or see it as not to different then you have a potential problem… Its not natural to our ancient reward circuitry system thats the problem… It is an unnatural environment of virtually endless supply of something the brain can not register as being different from real… It will adapt to the changes and think it hit some sort of evolutionary jack pot, again it is all really really simple in normal terms… Desensitization and Hyper stimulation in the frontal cortex… Your brain is just trying to get as much as it can while the opportunity is present. It also will make changes to the brain that lay down like large electrical circuits that become reinforced to certain stimuli that it sees rewarding… Just simply the seeking and reward nature of the brain… It just so happens that with pornography masturbation is involved… But that alone does not mean your not at risk if you don’t do so while viewing because again it is the same fundamental changes that happen as when someone is addicted to any other such thing… I.E. food [/quote]

If I correctly understood what you were trying to convey here, it seems like pumping your Johnson to some topless chick playing with herself or getting fucked by some guy shouldn’t illicit any change in the “electrical circuits” in the brain that would cause a desensitisation to actual sex.

You’re talking about tricking the brain, which would require a large quantity of `artificial’ material.

I want to ask you your opinion on something – if a guy has a sexual fantasy that he can’t live out in real life, are you saying that if he gets enough of that by viewing it online he will eventually become desensitised to actual sex and hence lose some ability to sexually perform? What would be the time period of this transgression?

Another thing – is it simply a case of frequency or is any `artificially sourced stimulation’ threatening to actual sexual stimulation? [/quote]

No I am saying that a guy can become increasingly more and more desensitized after becoming hooked on porn in general even if it is just a chick playing with herself or whatever its not the content that matters… It can increasingly become more disturbing or violent etc… but the progression say from nude chicks on playboy sites to what ever it may be does not matter… It is the very act of novelty seeking and searching that causes increasingly desensitization… it is the brain trying to fertilize all these chicks on this screen with the same excitement and reward system as like World of Warcraft while at the same time trying to masturbate at a rate far higher normal then actual vaginal intercourse… If you are so interested or inclined then rather then getting into a debate with me about it check out the website and videos for yourself, I sure as hell can’t explain it as well as someone that has more experience on the topic I am just re playing the truth I found in what they have mentioned as well as my experience of how the brain functions.

Also it does not need to be some crazy high tech savy research to know if it warrants serious truth or not it just takes some common sense… The same I have found with people in the mental health field and approaching curing behavioral habits in the complete wrong manor, a topic I have alot more expirence and knowledge in but is a different topic entirely from this thread although addiction can lead to things such as anxiety, depression, and various other traits of acute symptoms of exaggerated function.
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I’m not trying to debate anyone - I just want to become more informed on the subject i.e. what you were saying in that post.

Yet one MORE point is that this is a VERY RECENT phenomenon, and there have not been a lot of studies about this particular subject conducted in the first place. That doesn’t stop the Scientists from barging into the thread with torches and pitchforks looking to lynch the messenger because, while the practical information has DIRECTLY helped literally thousands of men get their lives back, the specific issue isn’t backed up by Peer Reviewed Studies (PBUHN) so SQWAWK!!!

[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:

[quote]cstratton2 wrote:

[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:

[quote]cstratton2 wrote:
its more of a specific issue with MODERN pornography… Its not the same as looking at hustler or playboy… if you consider that pornographic, its a matter of NOVELTY addiction and actually is not even correlated to a sex addiction at all… The effects can come to effect sexual counters with real women and sexual health but in essence the problem itself is just an addiction to constant novelty seeking or pixels on a screen… It creates a warped view of what sex is actually like, You have some people that actually prefer porn to actual sex or see it as not to different then you have a potential problem… Its not natural to our ancient reward circuitry system thats the problem… It is an unnatural environment of virtually endless supply of something the brain can not register as being different from real… It will adapt to the changes and think it hit some sort of evolutionary jack pot, again it is all really really simple in normal terms… Desensitization and Hyper stimulation in the frontal cortex… Your brain is just trying to get as much as it can while the opportunity is present. It also will make changes to the brain that lay down like large electrical circuits that become reinforced to certain stimuli that it sees rewarding… Just simply the seeking and reward nature of the brain… It just so happens that with pornography masturbation is involved… But that alone does not mean your not at risk if you don’t do so while viewing because again it is the same fundamental changes that happen as when someone is addicted to any other such thing… I.E. food [/quote]

If I correctly understood what you were trying to convey here, it seems like pumping your Johnson to some topless chick playing with herself or getting fucked by some guy shouldn’t illicit any change in the “electrical circuits” in the brain that would cause a desensitisation to actual sex.

You’re talking about tricking the brain, which would require a large quantity of `artificial’ material.

I want to ask you your opinion on something – if a guy has a sexual fantasy that he can’t live out in real life, are you saying that if he gets enough of that by viewing it online he will eventually become desensitised to actual sex and hence lose some ability to sexually perform? What would be the time period of this transgression?

Another thing – is it simply a case of frequency or is any `artificially sourced stimulation’ threatening to actual sexual stimulation? [/quote]

No I am saying that a guy can become increasingly more and more desensitized after becoming hooked on porn in general even if it is just a chick playing with herself or whatever its not the content that matters… It can increasingly become more disturbing or violent etc… but the progression say from nude chicks on playboy sites to what ever it may be does not matter… It is the very act of novelty seeking and searching that causes increasingly desensitization… it is the brain trying to fertilize all these chicks on this screen with the same excitement and reward system as like World of Warcraft while at the same time trying to masturbate at a rate far higher normal then actual vaginal intercourse… If you are so interested or inclined then rather then getting into a debate with me about it check out the website and videos for yourself, I sure as hell can’t explain it as well as someone that has more experience on the topic I am just re playing the truth I found in what they have mentioned as well as my experience of how the brain functions.

Also it does not need to be some crazy high tech savy research to know if it warrants serious truth or not it just takes some common sense… The same I have found with people in the mental health field and approaching curing behavioral habits in the complete wrong manor, a topic I have alot more expirence and knowledge in but is a different topic entirely from this thread although addiction can lead to things such as anxiety, depression, and various other traits of acute symptoms of exaggerated function.
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I’m not trying to debate anyone - I just want to become more informed on the subject i.e. what you were saying in that post.
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ccstratton is providing some excellent information with his posts here, but I also did not think you were so far off base with yours.

I was reading a self-actualisation book a while back, I can’t remember the title or author, but what the guy said was basically similar in vein to what Cortes and ccstratton have echoed, if not simply concatenated to say that porn can detract you from your goals by sapping you physiologically and mentally. You can use that energy in more productive capacities.

However, he did say that masturbation is completely natural and spanking one out every week is perfectly healthy. It’s also probably more stimulating because you’re not engaging in the activity constantly.

[quote]Cortes wrote:
As for the posters who seem to be getting hung up on my mentioning that I feel that pornography is generally unhealthy, this is NOT the crux of the issue.[/quote]

Then by all means what is the crux of the issue because up to this point the discussion has been about porn addiction and the negative effects it has on one.

[quote]Cortes wrote:
Are you arguing that it is the opposite? If so, how so? That it is TOTALLY neutral? If so, why the urge to indulge in it in the first place? [/quote]

For those who are susceptible to becoming addicted it would be unhealthy. For those who engage in it on occasion I would say that it really has no net effect. As for the urge to indulge that for me is simply that I enjoy looking at naked women, and I did so before I even had the internet.

[quote]Cortes wrote:
Anyone who has used a modern tube site to beat off can tell you that the act can be, and almost certainly is, stimulating in the extreme. So, again, are you suggesting this has NO net effect, positive or negative, upon the brain? [/quote]

Again this depends on the individual. Why do some become addicted to cigarettes and not alcohol, gambling but not porn?

[quote]Cortes wrote:
So far I hear a lot of this “Well I do this and I’m fine,” from the same crowd his is demanding that I produce study after study to prove my side. Something about a pot and a kettle.
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I haven’t asked you do produce any study, the comment on pot and kettle was based on your assertion that I was unable to look at this issue without bias when as you have stated you are bias yourself. You have made claims that porn is extremely unhealthy and I disagree. Your stance is influenced by the “thousands and thousands of guys on the forums” who have found help. I can agree that porn can be unhealthy and addictive, what I don’t agree on is your assertion that porn of any magnitude will turn an individual into a degenerate.

Hope that my quotes aren’t all boogered up.

[quote]Cortes wrote:
Who used to be extremely addicted to porn, genius. I’m glad you assume I’m a saint, though. Thanks.
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Was this addiction before or after you met your wife?

As I have gotten older, I sure have regretted ever watching it. It does “re-wire” your brain as someone else pointed out. You just lose your feelings and become addicted.

[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]MytchBucanan wrote:
As I have gotten older, I sure have regretted ever watching it. It does “re-wire” your brain as someone else pointed out. You just lose your feelings and become addicted.[/quote]

Yeah, I was going to say, “Maybe when you’re still in your 20s you don’t feel anything, but when you get older…”

In any case, my understanding is that just laying off for a good long while will allow your brain to “reset.”[/quote]

Yeah, I do believe you can undo the damage but it does take time.

[quote]Makavali wrote:

[quote]Cortes wrote:
Who used to be extremely addicted to porn, genius. I’m glad you assume I’m a saint, though. Thanks.
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Was this addiction before or after you met your wife?[/quote]

Covered many years, including before and after. Why?

[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]MytchBucanan wrote:
As I have gotten older, I sure have regretted ever watching it. It does “re-wire” your brain as someone else pointed out. You just lose your feelings and become addicted.[/quote]

Yeah, I was going to say, “Maybe when you’re still in your 20s you don’t feel anything, but when you get older…”

In any case, my understanding is that just laying off for a good long while will allow your brain to “reset.”[/quote]

Correct.

[quote]MytchBucanan wrote:

[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]MytchBucanan wrote:
As I have gotten older, I sure have regretted ever watching it. It does “re-wire” your brain as someone else pointed out. You just lose your feelings and become addicted.[/quote]

Yeah, I was going to say, “Maybe when you’re still in your 20s you don’t feel anything, but when you get older…”

In any case, my understanding is that just laying off for a good long while will allow your brain to “reset.”[/quote]

Yeah, I do believe you can undo the damage but it does take time.[/quote]

That’s what that site is about. Some people have trouble just laying off, because of the addictive nature, like the other addictive things I’ve discussed here, there are methods that do not involve will power, and I think that, in the case of real addiction, these are almost always better than just trying to white knuckle it through temptation. Particularly as that method has a very high “snap-back” ratio of recidivism.

[quote]BeefEater wrote:

[quote]Cortes wrote:
As for the posters who seem to be getting hung up on my mentioning that I feel that pornography is generally unhealthy, this is NOT the crux of the issue.[/quote]

Then by all means what is the crux of the issue because up to this point the discussion has been about porn addiction and the negative effects it has on one.

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That repeated exposure to the kind of pornography under discussion here exacts fundamental changes in the brain, what Chushin mentioned earlier regarding plasticity. The changes that occur are NOT good. They are subtle, long term, and they affect a lot more than just our immediate sex lives. Look into some of the traits of sex addiction if you are genuinely interested. I’m not a FAQ. How deep did you look into those links?

This thread is full of crap… I’m gonna go jerk off now.

Hmmmmm, Let’s see…the choice is Porn, OR getting into a “relationship” in which odds are
lead to heartache, deception, or even dealing with the complex utter ‘coldness’ of Women in the 21st Century
in even approaching them in a meaningful way.
I’ve seen one too many episodes of “Bridezillas” and “Cheaters” and have witnessed
too many nice Guys (and girls) have their hearts stomped on like fuckin’ Grapes, how is that
healthy in any way?

No heartache with porn, wham bam thank you mamm…done, no heartache, save THOUSANDS on
courtship, small talk, potentially dealing with a Mother in-law, their family…YUCK!..“Adam” from the book of Genesis had it the best for awhile,
NO courtship, that was the original plan, and Men CRAVE what was lost and INTENDED for us, which was much sexy time with a
Lady tailor made by God for each of us, the perfect woman for each Man, and vice versa…but things got screwed up.
I emphasize moderation in all things BTW…once or twice a week is fine and isn’t
gonna hurt anyone…everyday is a problem.

[quote]MangoMan305 wrote:
This thread is full of crap… I’m gonna go jerk off now.[/quote]
Here here!!

[quote]Karado wrote:
Hmmmmm, Let’s see…the choice is Porn, OR getting into a “relationship” in which odds are
lead to heartache, deception, or even dealing the complex utter ‘coldness’ of Women in the 21st Century
in even approaching them in a meaningful way.
I’ve seen one too many episodes of “Bridezillas” and “Cheaters” and have witnessed
too many nice Guys (and girls) have their hearts stomped on like fuckin’ Grapes, how is that
healthy in any way?
No heartache with porn, wham bam thank you mamm…done, no heartache, save THOUSANDS on
courtship, small talk,potentially dealing with the Mother in-law, their family…YUCK!..“Adam” from the book of Genesis had it the best for awhile,
NO courtship, that was the original plan, and what Men CRAVE what was lost…SEX with a
Lady who was made that specific Man, the perfect woman for EACH of us Men, and vice versa…but things got screwed up.[/quote]
Very true. Although I do prefer fuck buddies, porn will do when I don’t have one.

[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:
I cant leave my house without watching 6 hours of brutal facefucking videos[/quote]

Yer a dude right?