[quote]Cortes wrote:
[quote]Typhoon wrote:
[quote]Cortes wrote:
[quote]MangoMan305 wrote:
[quote]Typhoon wrote:
This all reminds me of the video games cause violence, tv causes violence, tv will rot your brain. Well where are all these people? where area the numbers? Yeah I looked at the studies listed and done and like most studies you can poke 20 different holes in them with the data given. You can say cocaine is problem. Go to the worst neighborhood in your city and you’ll see a bunch of cocaine addicts. Same with heroin, alcohol, and other addictive substances. There is no shortage of people whose life has been ruined by gambling.
Where are these lost souls with problems from video games, tv, and porn? WHERE?
Out of the people that I’ve known since middle school. All play/played video games, watched a ton of tv, watched a ton of porn, most smoked pot, a few did harder drugs. Out of all those people the person that had any REAL problems in life is the guy that went WAY past pot. First LSD, then coke, then heroin then ended up in rehab multiple times. I have yet to meet a person who has a problem he got just from watching porn.
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People spout bullshit when they see something they do not agree with.
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I could not agree more emphatically. Particularly when they feel threatened. [/quote]
I feel threatened? Asking to show me hard data where people’s lives have been ruined from porn like you guys claim is now spouting bullshit? There is no lack of data showing how cocaine, gambling and heroin has DRASTICALLY altered people’s lives, I have not seen the same for porn. I looked at the data, saw nothing that showed any DRASTIC changes in people behavior and made my own opinion on the matter. If shown otherwise I will gladly change my stance.
What do I feel threatened about exactly? weather porn has negatives effects on people or not is pretty irrelevant to my life style. You mistook my opinion on the data + my personal experiences as me taking it personally. Weather they ever come up with the data that shows porn has the potential to drastically alter peoples lives is unlikely to have any effect on weather I watch it or not. [/quote]
First, that comment was not directed at you, it was a reply to MangoMan.
However, in response to your request to show you people who’s lives have been ruined or at least damaged by porn, internet addiction, etc, once again, have a poke around the forums on those sites if you actually care. There are quite literally thousands of stories of guys for whom this became a major obstacle to a normal life.
One more thing, this is not a “visible” addiction, meaning it is something shameful, and will probably be hidden from pretty much everyone as much as possible. So much of the damage that occurs from addiction to pornography, the internet, WOW, whatever, is not actually measurable because we cannot see what is happening, which actions are the result of addiction, and what that person potentially would have become had he not spent a very large portion of his life pickling himself in lurid fantasy.
Finally (for now), this is an extremely recent and completely new problem for humans. If has only really become a serious problem with the advent of high speed streaming internet and that new medium as the new major source of distribution of pornography. Hell, it has only been in the last 50 years or so that you could even view pornography in the privacy of your own home. My dad actually had a reel to reel with a bunch of John Holmes, Seka and assorted other porn stars’ films in canisters.
Just because there isn’t automatically a glut of peer reviewed studies and confirmation of this as a real problem does not mean that it is not a problem. We only just, just now figured out that this thing even existed in the first place. Up to now a lot of guys were just silently despairing, wondering why they couldn’t stay hard or get aroused enough to achieve climax with a real life girl, spending hours of each day masturbating, wanting to stop and not being able to and not knowing what to do or where to go for help. [/quote]
A group of people on a forum is a not good representative of hard data, this is true no matter what you decide to believe. A thousand people on the forum is such a tiny amount of the population that is literally negligible. No that doesn’t make the people suffering from the problem any less better but it also doesn’t disprove my initial point of if it was such a widespread problem, as you are claiming, there would a lot more people.
I am not really sure as why you brought up the embarrassed factor as there is good data on things WAY more embarrassing than that.
Finally your “finally” paragraph is my point as well. Yes new problem check, studies need to be done and we need a ton more data to support ANY hypothesis (yours and mine). You seem to have jumped on the bandwagon of “this is a major problem and everyone is effected, this is very widespread.” Which you just yourself admitted isn’t backed up by any data.
