Pope Right On About the Muslims

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]rainjack wrote:
i knew as soon as i mentioned OIL you would be all over it, and have nothing else to hold up your argument.the use of oil was a minor point in my response, i wanted to focus more on our country focusing on itself and it’s people. you took one word out of all of that and ran with it, way to go. there’s that dim mentality i was talking about. it just goes round and round, how’s life in fantasy land?

No - what it shines a light on is your hypocrisy. You sit there and tell everyone to wake up and quit using oil - while you are addicted to it and its by-products just as much as everyone else.
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[quote]vroom wrote:
Rainjack, how efficient is it to spend 400 billion dollars and thousands of lives largely because of the historic need for stability of oil supplies in the Middle East?

Seriously, widen the thinking a little bit. I’m not casting blame at anyone, but given the road we are traveling, it may just be cheaper to drive electric cars.

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Cheap? No, what would be the cheapest would be to use strategic nukes on the Middle East and get rid of them all. Then go back in a year or so and take over.

The problem with all politics, and particularly the US, is that they are never honest about their intentions. Here is what should be said:

W Bush: “We need to control the oil supply so we are going to take Sadam out to get control”

Clinton: “Yes, Monica gave me head, and I liked it. So what!”

Al Gore: “Clinton is a horn dog and a moral degenerate, but as I’m the Vice President, I need to support him no matter how asinine he becomes”

Hillary Clinton: “Bill is an idiot and our marriage is a joke, but I stay with him because I want to get in office and then run for president. And yes, I am a lesbian, so what!”

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[quote]RoadWarrior wrote:

It’s thinking like this thats keeps Muslim problem moving. They burn down four churches and kill a nun and nobody says/does anything. They go all to pieces over a couple of cartoons, they attack and destroy and we do nothing. You can’t run and hide from the problem. This is the beginning of Armegeddon. You would do well with the French. Chirac is currently taking the same position with the Mideast, that his predecessors took with the Nazi’s. They ignored the Nazi problem right up to the point they were invaded and taken over.

Some people don’t learn from history. The Muslims are counting on the “Western” side of the world to hide their heads in the sand like political ostriches arguing that we should just leave them alone and the problem will go away. There is a “Muslim” problem all over the world and the won’t stop until every woman in the world is wearing a burka and the only available book is the Quaran. Listen to their leaders, the are voicing this daily while they blow up England, Spain, Bali and everything in their path. Do you need 9/11 everyday in order to understand the gravity of the problem?

A constant theme we hear over and ove is that the Non-Muslim world is in love with living and they are in love with dying. Be that so, we should as many attain martyrdom as possible. They say they are peaceful and misunderstood people.

You notice not one “elder” or anybody ever comes out against the atrocities. While they are telling people like you that Al Quaida doesn’t represent all Muslims they are cheering them on from within. Burn down four mosques and see what happens.

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what about the holy Muslim places that have been destroyed? or their holy men and women who have been killed? for every action there is a reaction. it’s because the mosques have been destroyed and because of their loved ones that have been murdered in cowardly missle attacks that we face such a problem. do you really think that all of a sudden the fanatics just decided to wage war on us? it’s not because of anybodies faith, it’s the same revenge that people like you claim to need to justify whatever it is your trying to prove. the balance of deaths suffered by the hands of muslims is far overshadowed by that of the “coalition” forces. this is what happens when you fuck with hard core, religious nutballs. i say ban ALL religion, it only brings trouble.i’m not for the muslims or the christians, which is exactly what this is turning into. it’s the armaggedon only in the eyes of other religious wackaloons. your all the same, religious and crazy. why is that the religious are always the bloodthirsty? where is your god now? is he telling you to rise up and cruch the muslims infadels? is he telling you to go and get oil from the middle east? is he telling you to bomb women and children in the same fashion that we find so appaling when it happens on our soil? you religious fucktards need to do us all a favor and go and ask god yourself, in person. it’s not the religious aspect that is motivating these people, it’s revenge. plain and simple. just because you have heard the opinions of that super douche pat roberts or whoever has control of the nerve bundle you call a brain, doesnt mean this shit has not been happening for the last fifty fucking years. or the past 500 years for that matter. ever since there has been a division of east and west, the west has been hell bent on controlling that which can not and will not be controlled by foriegn influence. these are a proud people, and a courageous people. certain death is a tall order to fill, what wrongs have to be commited against you before you would under take a suicide bombing? nobody is gonna kill themselves for the promise of allot of poontang, hello!!! it doesnt take a scholar to understand that. these are people, just like you and me. they have to be pushed way over the line to undertake something like that, they have to believe they are going to make a difference and maybe save their loved ones by gettin their point across so the killing of their families will stop, thats self sacrifice. it cracks me up to see that people imagine the fanatical muslims as anything other than desperate people fighting with whatever they have available. no cruise missle? then they become one. killing only brings more killing, justifying it however you want still makes it murder. just be prepared for the reaction.there is no reasoning with people at this point, in order to change you would have to accept being wrong. there is NO way to get a mass of people to admit they are wrong, so things just keep on keepin on. there will be death, there will be suffering, and way in the future(if there is one after all of this) mankind will look back humbled and ashamed of this situation.talking to you people is like arguing with a brick wall. now go ahead and pick out one word i used in this entire post and attack it to try and make your point. don’t address the point, just snake out a word and go after it. i used oil again, you want to use that lame argument about keyboards and monitors it’s all you. it’s a stretch, since i did say i would use any other means available, but skip past that and tell me i’m just like you.

mazilla out.

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[quote]mazilla wrote:
rainjack wrote:
i knew as soon as i mentioned OIL you would be all over it, and have nothing else to hold up your argument.the use of oil was a minor point in my response, i wanted to focus more on our country focusing on itself and it’s people. you took one word out of all of that and ran with it, way to go. there’s that dim mentality i was talking about. it just goes round and round, how’s life in fantasy land?

No - what it shines a light on is your hypocrisy. You sit there and tell everyone to wake up and quit using oil - while you are addicted to it and its by-products just as much as everyone else.

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And what is wrong with that? There currently is no other energy source that is as efficient to produce and use as oil products. So until someone comes up with a better source of energy, oil is where it is at.

The best we can do is use it more efficiently and with the lease amount of pollution, etc as possible.

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[quote]Varqanir wrote:
Headhunter wrote:

Bring back the Ottoman Empire! :wink:

Imagine an Iran in which there was no Shi’ite Revolution (as there would likely have not been, without a disaffected, West-hating Persian underclass).

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why was there a “west-hating Persian underclass”? did they just pop up out of nowhere? or do you think the cia may have had something to do with all of that? maybe it was when we sold missles to iraqi’s so they could obliterate children on the battlefront, or put the shaw in power only to strip it away when his views began to differ from that of our president. where do you think this revolution came from? there is American money in every last bit of that revolution. we needed to get that guy out of there and fast. oops look like we turned the power over to the wrong guys.like i said there is an reaction for every action, this is the mess WE made by meddling in foriegn affairs and trying to take control of a land that will not be a puppet. we are still paying the price. nobody thinks about the future, unless it gives them a reason to kill now.

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[quote]Lorisco wrote:
vroom wrote:
Rainjack, how efficient is it to spend 400 billion dollars and thousands of lives largely because of the historic need for stability of oil supplies in the Middle East?

Seriously, widen the thinking a little bit. I’m not casting blame at anyone, but given the road we are traveling, it may just be cheaper to drive electric cars.

Cheap? No, what would be the cheapest would be to use strategic nukes on the Middle East and get rid of them all. Then go back in a year or so and take over.

The problem with all politics, and particularly the US, is that they are never honest about their intentions. Here is what should be said:

W Bush: “We need to control the oil supply so we are going to take Sadam out to get control”

Clinton: “Yes, Monica gave me head, and I liked it. So what!”

Al Gore: “Clinton is a horn dog and a moral degenerate, but as I’m the Vice President, I need to support him no matter how asinine he becomes”

Hillary Clinton: “Bill is an idiot and our marriage is a joke, but I stay with him because I want to get in office and then run for president. And yes, I am a lesbian, so what!”

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all hail emporer bush? naw, if we are gonna be a monarchy, we need a better leader than that idiot. give me a cyrus the great, or alexander the great, or hannibal of carthage, or julious cesar,or norman scwarzkoff even(i know i’m way off on the spelling). a militry state must be lead by military leaders, not politicians. i’m down for some plunder, i like the spoils of war. if we are gonna do it lets do it right, we need a blitz crieg. tommorow lets just hit the enire world before it knows what happened. if not, then lets live with eachother and cut this bullshit out.

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Mazilla: one word, brother.

Paragraphs.

EDIT

Make that two words, the second being Capitalization.

One hopes that when your carbon-balance-friendly, imperialism-free, solar powered hempseed resin keyboard rolls off the assembly line, it will be equipped with clearly-marked Shift and Return keys.

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[quote]Varqanir wrote:
Mazilla: one word, brother.

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oh, get over it. i’m not gonna make it all pretty for you guys, i try with the spelling and punctuation. but thats as far as i go.

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[quote]mazilla wrote:

why was there a “west-hating Persian underclass”? did they just pop up out of nowhere? or do you think the cia may have had something to do with all of that? maybe it was when we sold missles to iraqi’s so they could obliterate children on the battlefront, or put the shaw in power only to strip it away when his views began to differ from that of our president. where do you think this revolution came from? there is American money in every last bit of that revolution. we needed to get that guy out of there and fast. oops look like we turned the power over to the wrong guys.like i said there is an reaction for every action, this is the mess WE made by meddling in foriegn affairs and trying to take control of a land that will not be a puppet. we are still paying the price. nobody thinks about the future, unless it gives them a reason to kill now.

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It was mostly British money, actually. BP had their hands in Iranian politics for over 75 years, and had become far cozier with the Shah than Jimmy Carter ever was. The coup, when it came, was as much an MI6 operation as a CIA one.

We sold arms to the Iraqis a few years after the revolution, not before, so the disaffected underclass could not have been a result of that.

Now, take a deep breath and relax.

Feel better?

Good. Let’s begin again.

My point was that a secular, European post-WWII Ottoman empire, with no House of Saud, no Saddam Hussein, and most importantly, no Israel, would have been a much less volatile region in general, and a far less fertile environment for radicalization on the part of students in Iran.

Do you still disagree?

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What always gets me is that despite the many other factors that play into it, how muslim extremists feel they are serving their god by declaring a jihad against the West and, it would seem, other muslims, and non-muslims in general when their god is also the same god as the various branches of Christianity and Judaism.

Generally, it would appear that they boil it down to ‘for Allah’ or god, which from what I do know of Islam is the same god that the major monotheistic Abrahamic religions center around, just a different prophet.

You’d think that if the extremists are so adamant about how they interpret their faith and scripture as to always be ready for violence versus contemplation, that there’d be some groups into performing even more violence on their own brothers in Islam for being hypocritical of their god’s teachings. Terrorists to the terrorists.

But I suppose thats a reason they feel they can get away with attacking others who believe in their god, but a different prophet.

Nevermind, too confusing. What the hell the actual basis of their motivations is, I dont know. Boredom? Like a bunch of teens wrecking stuff for the hell of it? “Why’d you do that?!” “I dunno…just did it.”

And about the thought of using a nuclear strike against that area of the world, is that even possible? Do we even have nukes that are ‘weak’ enough to not ruin the chance of life existing again anytime soon within the radius of the blast and fallout? I have no idea, so I’m asking.

Last I heard, we haven’t made anything as ‘weak’ as what we dropped on Hiroshima in a good while. Most of them are quite a bit more potent.

Sorry. I’m rambling. Interesting thread…

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If the vatican gets bombed, the muslims surely have done them selves in. Mecca, and all of the arab world will be razed to the ground. The Catholics won’t stand for that shit. They will bring down the house. The Swiss Guard will get an upgrade in units of about 1 billion and I will be joining them if this happenes. As irish said you don’t fuck with the pope.

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I don’t agree what the Muslim extremist are doing, I say if you’re going to war with someone you don’t kill the innocent citizens, you kill the soldiers. Since that’s harder to do they take the cowardly route.

I also think it’s F’d up to teach kids hate as soon as they are old enough to listen. If you do that, you take away their innocence at a very young age and create monsters by the time they’re teenagers. Also if all the Muslims aren’t bad then they should be handing over the ones that are before the damage is done.

If you have let yourself become weak because you are against technology then you are just asking to be bullied and should accept the consequences.

The Muslims need to realize they are just being manipulated to do the bidding of people with evil intentions. They are telling them they?ll go to heaven and after they accomplish their mission they go straight to hell. Since they’re now dead it’s too late. What god would want you to kill women and children?

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[quote]mazilla wrote:
it’s not because of anybodies faith, it’s the same revenge that people like you claim to need to justify whatever it is your trying to prove. …

i say ban ALL religion, it only brings trouble. your all the same, religious and crazy…

why is that the religious are always the bloodthirsty?..

you religious fucktards need to do us all a favor and go and ask god yourself, in person…

it’s not the religious aspect that is motivating these people, it’s revenge. [/quote]

So what you’re trying to say is that this isn’t about religion, but getting rid of religion will fix it? Riiiight.

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The web site for the Sultanate of Oman must be run by bigoted Islamophobic crusaders, because their history section contains an outrageously Islamophobic (i.e. truthful) description of Islam?s reign of fear and persecution in the Gulf: Oman during Islam.

After God empowered Muslims to enter Mecca, Islam became the prevailing power and was spread by use of fear. This was particularly evident in the tribe of Quraysh, who had responded to the Prophet Muhammad?s new message of Islam with unrelenting persecution, eventually putting its resources in the service of the ever growing new religion. The Prophet then saw it preferable to contact neighbouring kings and rulers, including the two kings of Oman, Jaiffar and Abd, sons of Al Julanda, through peaceful means. History books tell us that the prophet had sent messages to the people of Oman, including a letter carried by military escort from Amr Inn Al Aas to Jaiffar and Abd, sons of Al Julanda, in which he wrote: ?In the name of God the Merciful and the Compassionate, from Muhammad bin Abdullah to Jaiffar and Abd, sons of Al Julanda, peace be on those who choose the right path. Embrace Islam, and you shall be safe. I am God?s messenger to all humanity, here to alert all those alive that non believers are condemned. If you submit to Islam, you will remain kings, but if you abstain, your rule will be removed and my horses will enter your arena to prove my prophecy?.

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[quote]blck1jack wrote:
The Swiss Guard will get an upgrade in units of about 1 billion and I will be joining them if this happenes. [/quote]

Not likely.

To enter the Swiss Guards, you must be an unmarried Swiss national of upstanding moral character, who has attended Swiss basic military training. You need a professional diploma or high school degree, you must be between 19 and 30 years of age and at least five-foot-nine. It also helps if you’re good looking. Naturally, you also have to be Catholic.

http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/swiss_guard/swissguard/ammissione_en.htm

Do you qualify?

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5’9?

That is some bullshit.

Don’t they know it’s the size of the fight in the dog (and how much whiskey he’s drank?)

Bahhh. Who wants to fight with the Swiss anyway?

I’d rather join the Irish Brigade if we’re going to war.

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[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
5’9?

That is some bullshit.

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Plus ya hafta be good lookin’, sweetheart.

And we won’t mention the “upstandin’ moral character” part.

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