Pope Right On About the Muslims

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[quote]RoadWarrior wrote:
An Iraqi insurgent group threatened the Vatican with a suicide attack over the pope?s remarks on Islam, according to a statement posted Saturday on the Web.

Once again they are proving they are non-violent and mis-understood community…

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Hitler said he was doing God’s work by killing of Jews. Do you see me judging all Christians now based on the actions of a few? No… I still believe Chrisitanity is peaceful because I have studied it in school and on my own, as well as Islam and Judaism to know that they are all peaceful religions, but people use them to justify their political, economic and personal means. Educate yourself about Islam from proper sources, instead of just reading random websites and judging an entire community based on the actions of a few retards. Then come back, make an educated statement, and probably then I will agree with you.

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[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

Let me tell you, that is probably the only thing that would turn me fucking inside out.

I hate to sound like a warmonger, but if that Vatican is fucking touched, than I might even support the use of nuclear weapons and a genocide.

You don’t fuck with the Pope.

I was even thinking about this today when I read about it…if there ever was any attack on the Vatican at all, I would be on a plane to Italy the next day to help them kill the murderous fucks who did it.

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Very good, Irish, I think you’ve illustrated a valuable point. No religion is “peaceful” when its sacred places are desecrated and its holy men attacked.

Ever since the end of the Osmani Caliphate, there has been no one who commands as much authority within Islam as the Pope commands within the Church. Which means the billion something Catholics around the world are a much more cohesive group than the 1.4 billion Muslims.

If our friend Irish, who is not particularly religious, is ready to take up arms and slaughter the infidel to protect the pontiff (whereas he likely would not do the same to protect U.S. oil interests in the Middle East), I think we can assume this is the sentiment of the other billion something Catholics around the world.

I would not be surprised if this thing escalates, and we see another Great Crusade in our lifetime.

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So, that only leaves one question. Where’s everybodie mony at? The Catholics or the Muslims

Interesting.

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That may be true, but currently we don’t have a problem with Hitler. the Nazi’s aren’t burning churches, the Muslims are. The non-Muslims need to burn as many mosques as the Muslims burn churches. Then maybe they will realize the signifigance of what they are doing. The Israeli’s handled the situation with Hezbollah properly. They killed 10 Muslims for every Jew. Pretty soon, Hezbollah was more than ready to stop.

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[quote]bigflamer wrote:
So, that only leaves one question. Where’s everybodie mony at? The Catholics or the Muslims

Interesting.[/quote]

If the Catholics fight back - they will be branded as Right-wing radicals. The islamo-fascists will gain the sympathy of the America Haters, and someone will undoubtedly blame Bush.

But with that said - does anyone know the over/under?

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[quote]rainjack wrote:
If the Catholics fight back - they will be branded as Right-wing radicals. The islamo-fascists will gain the sympathy of the America Haters, and someone will undoubtedly blame Bush.

But with that said - does anyone know the over/under?[/quote]

Yes, yes, I’m sure you are just being sarcastic and joking, but man, it gets old.

Like it or not, as the current situation is proving, the pen is mightier than the sword. Too bad a certain leadership doesn’t have the brainpan to figure out the ramifications of this statement.

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[quote]vroom wrote:
rainjack wrote:
If the Catholics fight back - they will be branded as Right-wing radicals. The islamo-fascists will gain the sympathy of the America Haters, and someone will undoubtedly blame Bush.

But with that said - does anyone know the over/under?

Yes, yes, I’m sure you are just being sarcastic and joking, but man, it gets old.

Like it or not, as the current situation is proving, the pen is mightier than the sword. Too bad a certain leadership doesn’t have the brainpan to figure out the ramifications of this statement.
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aAre you referring to Iran’s president? Of course not -

I told you someone would wind up blaming Bush for this - and it took less than an hour for me to be proven correct.

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[quote]Varqanir wrote:

Very good, Irish, I think you’ve illustrated a valuable point. No religion is “peaceful” when its sacred places are desecrated and its holy men attacked.

Ever since the end of the Osmani Caliphate, there has been no one who commands as much authority within Islam as the Pope commands within the Church. Which means the billion something Catholics around the world are a much more cohesive group than the 1.4 billion Muslims.

If our friend Irish, who is not particularly religious, is ready to take up arms and slaughter the infidel to protect the pontiff (whereas he likely would not do the same to protect U.S. oil interests in the Middle East), I think we can assume this is the sentiment of the other billion something Catholics around the world.

I would not be surprised if this thing escalates, and we see another Great Crusade in our lifetime.

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Isn’t a great battle in the Middle East the end of the Book of Revelations? Maybe that damn book wasn’t actually conjured by some drunk monk…

But yes, you’re right. I’ve got strong feelings both positive and negative about the Catholic Church…but if you threaten to burn it, we’re gonna have problems.

Remindss me of the story of the first St. Pat’s Cathedral in NYC; when the Protestants threatened it, the Cardinal made a statement that all of New York City would ‘burn like Moscow’ if a hand was laid on that Church.

They didn’t test him.

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[quote]rainjack wrote:
Are you referring to Iran’s president? Of course not -

I told you someone would wind up blaming Bush for this - and it took less than an hour for me to be proven correct.
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Bullshit. You are delusional.

It’s okay to talk about the fact that Bush has shortcomings without it being necessary to imagine that he is being blamed for something.

Lay off the kool-aid.

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[quote]Shoebolt wrote:
RoadWarrior wrote:
An Iraqi insurgent group threatened the Vatican with a suicide attack over the pope?s remarks on Islam, according to a statement posted Saturday on the Web.

Once again they are proving they are non-violent and mis-understood community…

Hitler said he was doing God’s work by killing of Jews. Do you see me judging all Christians now based on the actions of a few? No… I still believe Chrisitanity is peaceful because I have studied it in school and on my own, as well as Islam and Judaism to know that they are all peaceful religions, but people use them to justify their political, economic and personal means. Educate yourself about Islam from proper sources, instead of just reading random websites and judging an entire community based on the actions of a few retards. Then come back, make an educated statement, and probably then I will agree with you.[/quote]

Actually, I’m curious to know which “proper sources” you are proposing that people use to get educated on how great Islam is. You mentioned reading “Random websites” Do you mean like CNN? Where should unbiased observers go to learn about this religion of peace?

Please don’t ask me to listen to the folks at CAIR… Thanks in advance.

These “few retards” you mentioned are capable of a great deal of death and destruction. They demonstrate that on a daily basis. Pick any region of the world, and they are at war with the infidels / kaffirs… Your message of how peaceful Islam is should really be directed to that oh so tiny segment of the Islamists that have gone off the deep end. Just a small percentage of 1.5 billion right?

I’d say you have your work cut out for ya. Good luck with that.

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[quote]cap’nsalty wrote:
vroom wrote:
Despite Rainjack’s usual nonsense, you can’t discount the past and how much stirring the hornets nest has had.

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However, the Islamic world proves itself ready to enact violence against anyone and anything that doesn’t follow extremist dogma.

What the fuck is up with Islam that it isn’t, in the majority, simply shocked at what supposed proponents of Islam are up to on a daily basis?

Hell, from all the claptrap people tell us about Islam here, in discussions, it is supposedly a religion of peace that would not support such actions.

I’m not seeing it…

This is the part I don’t understand. I’ve heard of Muslims who don’t necesarrily support the violence, but I’ve heard pretty much no one speak out against it. Where is the outrage?

If I was a member of a supposed religion of peace, I would be doing my utmost to ensure that it wasn’t tainted by the bloodlust of the radical sects. But the muslim community appears to be silent on this issue.

So in my mind this leaves two options: either Islam promotes war, or it’s a weak and useless religion that promotes nothing. [/quote]

Someone already gave a similar answer, but a big part of it comes down to media recognition. Best example is that a little over a year ago representatives of every sect in Islam came together (maybe unprecedented) in Amman to condemn terrorism and to state that fatwas and calls for jihad can only be issued by educated clerics. Bin Laden, Zarqawi, and the like, contrary to what some in America may believe, are not part of that category.

Unfortunately, know what happened the very next day? 7/7 bombings in London. Kinda tends to grab the headlines.

Having said all that, I’m kind of skeptical about Islam being a “religion of peace.” It needs a reformation, to accomodate itself to the modern world, which Christianity and Judaism did long ago.

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[quote]Tokoya wrote:
Shoebolt wrote:
RoadWarrior wrote:
An Iraqi insurgent group threatened the Vatican with a suicide attack over the pope?s remarks on Islam, according to a statement posted Saturday on the Web.

Once again they are proving they are non-violent and mis-understood community…

Hitler said he was doing God’s work by killing of Jews. Do you see me judging all Christians now based on the actions of a few? No… I still believe Chrisitanity is peaceful because I have studied it in school and on my own, as well as Islam and Judaism to know that they are all peaceful religions, but people use them to justify their political, economic and personal means. Educate yourself about Islam from proper sources, instead of just reading random websites and judging an entire community based on the actions of a few retards. Then come back, make an educated statement, and probably then I will agree with you.

Actually, I’m curious to know which “proper sources” you are proposing that people use to get educated on how great Islam is. You mentioned reading “Random websites” Do you mean like CNN? Where should unbiased observers go to learn about this religion of peace?

Please don’t ask me to listen to the folks at CAIR… Thanks in advance.

These “few retards” you mentioned are capable of a great deal of death and destruction. They demonstrate that on a daily basis. Pick any region of the world, and they are at war with the infidels / kaffirs… Your message of how peaceful Islam is should really be directed to that oh so tiny segment of the Islamists that have gone off the deep end. Just a small percentage of 1.5 billion right?

I’d say you have your work cut out for ya. Good luck with that.

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I use the original Arabic version of the Quran with direct English transliteration.
What do you use?

Thanks for the well-wishing. I’d rather try my best to promote peace and fail rather than submit to reality and end up having to choose a side in this mindless, bloody conflict.

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Thanks for the well-wishing. I’d rather try my best to promote peace and fail rather than submit to reality and end up having to choose a side in this mindless, bloody conflict.

Right, like that nun did in Somolia before she was shot four times in the back the other day… That would be a great place for you to promote the concept of Islam = peace. They have a new government running the show there, that seems to be missing this obvious connection… Stop by Darfur on your way,. Lots of opportunity there as well.

Good luck with your neutrality.

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“We tell the worshipper of the cross (the Pope) that you and the West will be defeated, as is the case in Iraq, Afghanistan, Chechnya,” said an Internet statement by the Mujahideen Shura Council, an umbrella group led by Iraq’s branch of al Qaeda, according to the Reuters news agency.

“We shall break the cross and spill the wine. … God will (help) Muslims to conquer Rome. … God enable us to slit their throats, and make their money and descendants the bounty of the mujahideen,” said the statement

…Nice!
NOOO, they are not violent! They will kill your ass to prove it too.

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[quote]pat36 wrote:
“We tell the worshipper of the cross (the Pope) that you and the West will be defeated, as is the case in Iraq, Afghanistan, Chechnya,” said an Internet statement by the Mujahideen Shura Council, an umbrella group led by Iraq’s branch of al Qaeda, according to the Reuters news agency.

“We shall break the cross and spill the wine. … God will (help) Muslims to conquer Rome. … God enable us to slit their throats, and make their money and descendants the bounty of the mujahideen,” said the statement

…Nice!
NOOO, they are not violent! They will kill your ass to prove it too.[/quote]

Sounds like a religion based on the “macho” concepts of being the baddest badasses on the planet. Since when is thuggery a religion?

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[quote]pat36 wrote:
“We tell the worshipper of the cross (the Pope) that you and the West will be defeated, as is the case in Iraq, Afghanistan, Chechnya,” said an Internet statement by the Mujahideen Shura Council, an umbrella group led by Iraq’s branch of al Qaeda, according to the Reuters news agency.

“We shall break the cross and spill the wine. … God will (help) Muslims to conquer Rome. … God enable us to slit their throats, and make their money and descendants the bounty of the mujahideen,” said the statement

…Nice!
NOOO, they are not violent! They will kill your ass to prove it too.[/quote]

Muslims conquering Rome…my fucking balls. It will be a cold day in hell…

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What is scary about all of this is there seems to be a decent percentage of the Muslim world that supports open war against the West. Also, there are many more Muslims who are probably quietly supporting this notion.

Meanwhile, the West fights with itself and refuses to recognize what is going on.

Scary times indeed.

As an aside, to prove the Pope wrong, the radicals shot an elderly nun.

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The Pope was quoting someone else.

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I am surprised the appeasers aren’t coming in droves to condem the Pope and support the violence against the churches and clergy in those peaceful lands.

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If christianity is a religion of peace, why did your born again retard attack Iraq?