Forget the pic with Obama. We need to focus on how cool and edgy that red E looks. Joe is “read e” for duty! Hell yeah not even connected. Young, vibrant, hip, cool, new wave.
I kinda hope he wins. How fucking sweet would it be to have two people who’s combined ages would be like 150. Old obese pervert vs older trimmer pervert?
We would lose out on all the racist, sexist,
homophobic shit if both parties go old white guy again. I’m starting to think I want my presidential politics to be as hilarious as possible. I mean if we are going to run two pieces of shit like Trump and Clinton why not? If we clearly don’t give a fuck and we are always stuck with R or D give me the hilarity.
Agreed. Biden - for all his faults - spent decades in the realm of foreign policy. Trump couldn’t point out Hawaii on a map if you circled it with a highlighter. Biden has connected with working class Americans his whole career - Trump pretended to for precisely one election, but now the game is up on his “populist” ruse.
Yeah. Blue collar employment growing faster than white collar and the lowest unemployment since 1969. Tax cut that helps out the middle class (proven). Him threatening Carrier and Ford if they move jobs overseas and using tariffs to try and “protect” the American products. Less regulations to give US businesses a leg up. Addressing the #1 concern that blue collar workers have: immigration.
So whether you agree with the policies or not, and whether they’re effective or not, he’s aiming them directly at blue wall blue collar voters.
The Republicans have been on the globalist train for decades and the dems abandoned working heartland voters for identity politics.
Trump has a laundry list of actions he’s actually taken for working class people. I wouldn’t bet that Biden can run on the Obama years and the increased HC cost after ACA.
That’s great, but the economic momentum didn’t begin in 2016 with the election. And one reason why blue collar wages have moved is the shortage of skilled trades. That’s a very good thing for these workers, but Trump isn’t responsible for that labor shortage.
Not proven in the slightest. The benefit accrued to the wealthy, and specifically, large shareholders.
The threats didn’t work and the tariffs have hosed farmers and spilled into the construction industry. That’s not a selling point.
I think he gets some credit here.
Trump has addressed immigration?
He really isn’t. The tax cut wasn’t. He hasn’t taken action on health care. In fact, he hasn’t done much at all on anything but the tax cut.
I don’t disagree with any of that, but if Biden wins the nomination, he gets the advantage of rekindling the flame with heartland voters. Trump’s ruse of caring about the regular guy will end at some point (and really already has). The ultimate regular guy politician cam reclaim this ground.
Not especially. See above.
You mean the HC costs that a GOP controlled WH and Congress did nothing about for the two years they could run the table?
Trump can’t base a 2020 campaign bitching about what Obama did. Now he has a record to defend. Obama’s rising HC costs are Trump’s rising HC costs.
If he was half the negotiator that Progressives claim he believes he is, he would have 100% approval for The Wall. Any half-decent negotiator can quickly convince others to do 180s and disregard their own self-interest.
He had numbers to get more done before the last election. He couldn’t get his own party in line to make it happen. But it’s a huge shutdown issue all the sudden once they lose control?
Trump wants to keep running on it for 2020. But he couldn’t get one of his biggest promises done and likely won’t ever. For better or worse it’s a failure even if someone can’t make it happen by themselves. And clearly the American people didn’t want to give him the power to make it easier than it would have been first two years.
What’s the amount of tax cuts received by the middle class in comparison for the total cost of the bill over time?
A small tax cut to the middle class at what cost in comparison to the total amount for the wealthy? And what about the effect on the debt in terms of benefit? If the joint committee on taxation is correct is correct that they will cost a trillion in ten years did Americans who are most in need receive benefits that outweigh that cost?
I don’t have any of the answers and this has been discussed before by us all. Just asking/saying whatever.
Own self interest or the American people’s. The wall doesn’t poll well and you can find plenty of studies to show majority of Americans are not for it. Which is fine because Trump can’t get it done anyways.
People care more about action on health care. Thank god. Trump is on record as saying everyone is going to have insurance even if they can’t pay for it. So universal coverage which is great. He’s going to take care of everyone and they will all get better care. It’s going to be less expensive and he can do all of this with no cuts to social security, Medicaid, Medicare.
I just can’t figure out why he hasn’t put all this into play yet. I don’t see anyone who would complain about better care for everyone in America at a lower cost. Maybe if Twitter goes down for a couple days we will have it.
The wealthy pay all the FIT. Cutting taxes for everyone by 1% would still disproportionately benefit the wealthy.
They pay no taxes. They do however get jobs when they’re not abusing public assistance. Lower taxes on corporations and less regulations means it’s easier for those on the lowest rungs to get a foot in the door. Dumb $15/hr minimum wage foolishness notwithstanding.
I don’t think either party or any politician cares one lick about the debt. It’s scary actually. It’s okay because pocohantas will forgive my college debt and healthcare will be free… right?
The tax savings were relatively small for many families, however. The middle fifth of earners got about a $780 tax cut last year on average, according to the Tax Policy Center.
This wasn’t a tax cut that provided middle-class relief, nor was it even sold as such. It was sold as a supply-side tax cut - let’s give the upper incomes a meaningful tax cut so they can take all that extra dough and plow it into capital spending which will make the economy expand and they’ll have to hire more.
The sale to the middle class on tax cuts was never “you’re getting a big cut and will see a bunch of money in your paycheck”, it was “your boss is getting a big cut and he’ll wind up paying you more”. It’s been GOP boilerplate for decades now, and Trump doubled down on it.
(Well, specifically, Trump didn’t get in the way of a GOP Congress passing that bill - like other public policy subjects, he knows zilch about tax policy, so his signature is the only reason the tax cut passed, not because it was his vision for the middle class.)
All of which is to say, if the GOP’s message to the Heartland in 2020 is going to be “sure, we have a lawless and corrupt White House and a bunch of spineless congressman who won’t stand up to it, but you technically got a tax cut. MAGA!”…
…then Biden (or whoever) has a large opening with Heartland voters.
The question is whether the Democrats will take the engagement (I’m skeptical). But that is separate from the fact that the mask is off of the GOP that fooled Heartland voters into thinking that party legitimately represents their interests. I think Heartland voters are going to go into 2020 with a much more open mind about who to vote for then Trump would like.
Seems like a weird way to look like at it. Someone making $55k with 1 exemption would have an effective rate of about 9.8% or $5,400 in federal tax liability. Seems weird to consider a 14% reduction in tax liability relatively small.
Change the scenario to a married couple making $55K (close to average household income) and it has an even larger effect.
Just my take, I don’t think tax cuts “trickle down” even though I support them.
