@H_factor
Didnt quote but
Actually dont mind if congress prevents prez from acting on his own.
That not happening has caused some freaky things, when prez gets a bit elevated in his mind. If you want to see that as a Trump failure, lm agnostic (or whatever term). It does bother me that the impassioned pleas given by Obama, Clinton, Schumer, et al to sensibly control immigration are now relegated to waste bin because politics.
Yep.
As the numbers diminish among the DEMS…watch where the money flows…
That will be the key.
I guess I look at it as Presidencies are about what gets done. It doesn’t matter if someone is elected and run solely on gun control (insert anything else here) and talk about the need for it all the time. At the end of the day if nothing happened that’s a failure on the President to achieve what he/she said was so important.
Obviously a ton of factors go into that but I think all you can judge presidents on is what actually gets done. Everything else is just words. And if you can’t get things done then you’re not a deal maker in the least bit. Deals are about the only way legislation passes.
Trump ran on building a big beautiful wall paid for by Mexico. His best chance to accomplish that was when they had control. It seems incredibly unlikely that a wall is going to get built even with a second term. Using this criteria I’d say Trump has been a failure in what he says is paramount to stopping illegal immigration.
Now of course I say Trump and the GOP don’t really want to stop it and I’ve already offered my opinion on why I think that.
Under your standard, FDR was a superior deal maker.
He wasn’t, he was as close to a dictator as we have had.
Even wanted to stack the SC to ‘validate’ his authority.
My point - l prefer our republic, not a dictator.
I’m looking at things from a strictly political did you get what you said needed to be done accomplished. Not making judgements on whether or not we need a wall or if FDR did good things.
So yes by that standard FDR accomplished a tremendous amount of what he said was important. Good or bad is subjective.
I agree. Although we have a President who sucks off dictators and is about to throw off a dictator like parade.
But my point remains we can only judge Presidents by what they get done. If you fail to accomplish what you say is the most important thing to accomplish then you’re a failure at that issue. Otherwise it’s just words. And imo at this point it’s clear Trump is going to be a failure at getting the wall built.
If he built the wall anyway, over the objections of Congessional and Judicial, you would say, Trump is a dictator.
Can’t win scenario, eh?
The winning scenario probably would have been to make the deal he claimed he was capable of making.
He’s already increased the size of the wall, so did Obama for that matter. So he can claim that it is a work in progress.
For me, I want the wall and huge fucking wall. A mile high, a mile wide, six miles deep extending from Texas to 200 miles out into the pacific. I also want a moat with piranhas, alligators, and crocodiles patrolling it.
What FDR did in Yalta was stupid enough to make a goat puke…
No he should do it by the proper means of course. But when you say something is super important and don’t accomplish it how is it not a failure? He had a majority and is the leader of the party. Getting your team to accomplish what you say is most important is pretty much a standard job for any president. And he’s failed. Which is fine with me btw but still.
I don’t think he’s a dictator just because all his best friends are. More constantly pissed off because of the rules we have that keep him from being one.
Considering the amount of that your bar for success is incredibly low on this. It’s like if he said I’m going to lower healthcare costs for all Americans and took 50 cents off everyone’s copay. Technically correct but not anything like people thought. I heard Mexico gets its paycheck the 15th and will pay for it then.
Not a bad thing though considering Americans are against it.
It’s not that the bar is low, it’s that it’s a work in progress. Should we get the funding for it, it will happen much faster.
These are tenets that the left were for not 10 years ago. Many of those against it now, used to be for it. Obama built more wall, too. Maybe it’s was $.50 worth too, but little by little it adds up.
The Crisis at the boarder needs to stop. It’s not about the ‘poor people’ looking for a better life. It’s about Coyotes and sex traffickers who implement the some of the worst crimes against humanity that can be imagined. That’s the stuff not talked about.
Those bad people would love a wall. The harder it is to cross, the more they are needed.
Fun fact about that. He was hoping to cripple the British empire as much as he sought to cripple Stalin.
Not that I begrudge him for crippling a rival, he did so with such aplomb that the UK was permanently wounded.
The eastern resettlement caused the death of millions too.
I suppose so. Currently the wall will be finished by 2350.
Just one more holy shit how did we get to be this stupid moment. A guy who makes stuff largely overseas wants to make America great and a guy who has a history of hiring illegal immigrants (and supposedly still has them working for him) is telling us that we have a real border crisis!
Well, FDR’s fears were misplaced. Stalin was the Empire maker, the English were trying to win. It was a poor time to settle century old concerns about the old order when the new order was more eminent and frightening and fucking obvious. The brits as an empire was already in decline. Between the Japs and the Krauts the Empire had taken a beating and in occupied territories generally had a poor showing of it.
The 3 dumbest words ever uttered happened to be uttered by FDR in Yalta. “I trust Stalin”… Like when Stalin both rallied against letting Poland go and at the same time saying it should be a democracy. “Here’s your sign”.
I realize FDR was sick. I realize that with out his initial foresight we would not have been prepared for war.
But for those same reasons, I think FDR under proper advisement should not have run for a 4th term he knew he wasn’t going to live through and really had no business post war planning with the likes of Stalin who had him snowed. Churchill tried to warn him many times ’ Regardless of what you think of us, Stalin is way fucked up and not your friend. FDR wouldn’t listen…
Save for the early aid the U.S. provided and then the gratitude of the U.S. joining the European theater, I am pretty sure Churchill would have kicked FDR square in the nuts. Somebody should have…
Hand every veteran a BCBS card (or whatever private insurance PPO is used by Congress) upon discharge. Have the deductible be: (1) $3,500 for non-service related and (2) $50 for service related (yes, you need something to keep people honest).
Change the VA to be open to the public and run it like any other non-profit hospital system. The strong portions (e.g., acute wound care) will survive. The rest will adapt or fade away.
Ummmmmm…that sure has a familiar, modern ring to it, @pat…
(Sorry…it was just too easy to ignore…!)
And which country is the most powerful in the world? Where can I find the USSR on a map? Can I visit Stalingrad or Leningrad? One could just as easily say that FDR played the long game.
It’s alive and well. Sure, the cities you’ve mentioned are named Volgograd and St. Petersburg but the Empire is again punching well above it’s weight. If you dare to insult comprade Stalin, you’ll end up in a mental asylum or in prison. The hammer and sickle is everywhere, a symbol not of communism but old imperial power.
The planes carrying nuclear bombs and sporting the red star are flying near Alaska and soldiers with red stars on their shoulders are both in Syria and in Venezuela, in the latter case brazenly challenging the Monroe doctrine.
Nope. He was naive, but considering his ill health and inexperience dealing with Russians it was to be expected. He sentenced Eastern Europe for almost five decades of stagnation and drab existence. Chuchill desperately tried to save a few bits and pieces there.