She sounds more sensible than Bernie. She’s now my favorite Democrat.
I’ll take her woo over open boarders and single payer death care.
Have you used widely available public cost numbers and basic math to figure out when your insurance will be unsustainable yet?
I know for most it already happened, but I’m curious about where the breakpoint is for regular people.
From the article “Gwyneth Paltrow called here a “spiritual legend””. That should be enough to kill her campaign for anyone with common sense.
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2000 times this, @cyclonengineer…
(Geez…“Trump 2020”!)
It’s already unsustainable thanks to the ACA, but I pay it. Besides, when it comes to healthcare people have completely missed the mark. It’s not about insurance. It never has been about insurance. It’s about cost. If you can afford to go to the doctor, then you do not need insurance, save for the most extreme and inevitably expensive treatments.
Both sides miss the mark on this and its the elephant in the room. And what is medicine exactly? Well, most of it, I’d say 90% is drugs. So what costs need to come down? Drugs, mostly and the rest will follow.
Have you ever been treated in a single payer system? I have, it sucks. If you can get in the place is full, there’s one doctor and 50 high school interns who barely know how to give a shot, it’s chaos.
The way to avoid the mess is to know people, call in favors and pay in cash or gift. In many of these glorified European countries with their single payer systems also have a thriving medical black market.
They also don’t have to pay for much of a military. Their military is the red phone that calls the White House if they are in trouble.
If you look up pre ACA numbers, you’ll find it was also unsustainable. Hence it’s flawed creation.
Insurance provides collective price bargaining. It’s the main feature of a single payer system.
Agreed.
Not exactly. I spent my non adult life on public healthcare in WV, then less so in Ohio. As did most of my family. A number of which would have died without the public option, and a couple that died anyways.
You have a very low opinion of America.
Good thing ole POTUS is happy to oblige. Dude loves him some military spending.
YouTube strikes again.
Where in the world did you get that definition? Single payer means one payer, the gubment.
Not saying a safety net isn’t prudent. I was born in Canada and my parents were immigrants on asylum status. I’d like there to be a better way, like affordable healthcare sans insurance.
Yeah, that was Europe. And yeah speaking of America, while the VA is still royally fucked up, though improving, I don’t think moving everyone to that system is a good idea until we can get at least one of the institutions working in it as it should. Then at least you have a working model.
Me too.
The collective bargaining power that insurance companies enjoy today (that the layperson doesnt) is reflective of the amount of buying power they have.
Single payer is the ultimate culmination of collective buying power. Like a union on tren.
This is in direct conflict with capitalism and the free market. They have no incentive to make it affordable unless forced. It’s more profitable this way.
To my knowledge, 0 mainstream concepts for single payer are copying the VA.
Because U.S. law forbids foreign competition. Imagine a flood or European drugs hitting the market as far cheaper prices… Then capitalism would be in full swing! However, being that it is healthcare some oversight and regulation is prudent. Still, access to cheap drugs would go along way to mitigating the problem of cost.
Which I think is a mistake. Fix the VA and use it as a model, no need to reinvent the wheel.
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Mostly agreed. Cheers!
Only thing id say is obviously the extent to which things get cheaper is unknown. Healthcare sucks.
Edit:
Do you know anyone that uses the VA?
Imo create a working system and apply it to the VA. Unwinding that ball of shit twine is going to be a nightmare
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Would people be able to buy these cheaper drugs directly or would there be a middleman?
I’ve known people who use the VA and a nurse that worked there. It was the paper work and bureaucracy that was the majority of the issues. Ironically, once you made it past that and were in, they actually received decent care.
But they scare a lot of people off even before they can see a doctor because they can’t always check the right boxes.
I knew a Korean War vet who received better care at a US military base when he was visiting family in another country than he did here.
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You start with a shredder… That’s the first step to fixing the VA. Stop killing trees.
EDIT: The good news is that we can reach some sort of agreement. If we can do it, why can’t others?
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That has not been the experience of many servicemembers in my family, but happy to hear someone is getting quality care.
Could just be a WV thing I guess. Everything else sucks there might as well have the VA suck more.
Happy to ‘fix’ the VA (whatever that ends up looking like). I just think a fresh system without unwinding baked in innefficiencies would be incredibly faster/cheaper
Probably because I’m a bit of a sociopath. Normal sheeple get caught up in the thrill of the fight too much
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She tells it like it is.
I’m already obsessed with her.
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Short and too the point.
DAMN good article.
Thanks, @pat.
Damn if the DEMS aren’t turning out to be their own worst enemy…
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