True.
His history prior to the shooting pointed in that direction…but you’re correct.
He polled pretty well despite what you think of him:
They gave Ben shit because he wanted to kick out illegal families out of government housing.
BECAUSE there is a wait list of legal citizens who need it.
Common sense is gone.
Cool. People on the phone saying they’d probably vote for him.
Unfortunately they almost all seemed to stay home on voting day.
They gave Ben shit because he’s been hilariously out of his depth ever since throwing his hat in the ring.
Hell I came from the mortgage industry before my current job. He’s still the laughing stock of that entire industry.
He said he was going to write a book proving God’s existence. Which shows that doctors don’t necessarily know science.
He probably meant proof’ing.
I’m very curious to hear what you think are the unifying and positive messages Trump has?
No one in history has cried more about Americans and how he thinks they treat him than Trump. He whines incessantly on social media about anyone that doesn’t praise him or an idea he has.
Trump may very well win 2020 but I can’t think of a rational explanation for how his positive and unifying message will do it.
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I’m sure he could have page one just say “the Bible exists and that is proof of God” and have plenty of people talk about what a groundbreaking piece it is.
I guess it depends on how one defines “identity crap.” Was birtherism identity politics? How about Christians versus gay marriage? Is it identity politics when someone says a transgender needs to pee in a certain bathroom? It is if the person is transgender but it’s not if the person is just a male like me? Wouldn’t both meet the definition? And yet I know which one most people think meets the definition.
What about when conservatives talk about welfare queens? I mean couldn’t we argue wealth makes up an identity? Takers, leeches, “the 47%”. I suppose these could surely fit the definition for some. If not the classic definition still certainly an us vs them mentality.
My main point is that typically when I hear people claim they don’t like identity politics it usually means they don’t like someone else’s brand of identity politics. Or what they think about the people they are labeling as using identity politics.
Not saying this is you necessarily just my impression when I hear the phrase.
No, those of us who hate identity politics hate it because it proposes that one’s identity defines the person. That because of somebody’s victim credentials elevates them above ideas be those ideas be better or worse.
It proposes for instance the value of a piece of art is better or worse due to the identity of the person who did the art, rather then whether or not it’s a good piece of art.
I happen to be in the position to boast about my victim credentials as a means to level me up in the “woke-ness” world. But I detest that world.
The argument that other people have played the identity game doesn’t make it right.
I don’t care who does it, it’s horseshit each time it’s done.
I have an idea, let’s compare our identities. If my identity has more victimness than yours, I will always win. And if your identity out does mine, then you always win. Then we understand the hierarchy. And the best argument doesn’t win, the biggest victim does.
Maga is an identity politics mantra.
A good question to ask those who supposedly despise identity politics is, what was the Civil Rights movement?
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Let’s see, universal healthcare, tuition free college, a woman’s right to choose, legalized pot, all sound like positives that the left agrees on.
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I don’t feel like this really addressed my post. Are Christians who argue against gay marriage part of this identity politics idea? I mean they have to be they meet the definition of it 100%.
Are farmers who are receiving billions of aid because of trade wars benefactors of identity politics? Are people who are not farmers the victims because we aren’t receiving the money?
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This is where I have problems with screams from the Right about hating “IDENTITY POLITICS!!!”…when they appear (I say appear, because the Right really confuses me still with their arguments)…to play Identity Politics all the time…!
Is there any human being that does not identify as some “select” group in some way…and more times than not use it to either hurt, or at least elevate, themselves about another not of the “tribe”?
I’m with @H_factor…I think that it boils down to a question of the brand of Identity Politics one plays. I guess the Right feels theirs is “better” in some way?
Again…really confusing.
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Both groups are adamant that their way is better than the other - this is problem with modern politics in general. There is no middle ground that can be reached via compromise in the era of twitter, SJWs, and anonymous online outrage (from both sides and in ridiculous amounts).
For example, I think most people can get on board with infrastructure repair/replenishment. However, due to politicians “sticking to their guns” on unrelated issues, a bill to make these repairs can’t get passed. It’s insane.
In general most people/voters are indeed “useful idiots” (or at the very least, willfully ignorant) that never get past first level thinking. Cognitive dissonance is almost non-existent and any opinion that doesn’t align with one’s own opinion usually leads to outrage and a purely emotional response. All of sudden it’s not about the issue, it’s about attacking the person with whom they disagree. In the social media/MSM pushed narrative anyone who doesn’t agree must either be a backwoods bigot/racist or progressive liberal scum with no morals.
Both parties are appealing to the least common denominator in their respective bases.
Just remember free stuff is never truly free.
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Outstanding.
I agree.
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Make America Great Again.
America will never be a socialist country.
America first.
Those are positive and unifying, the problem here is that any Trump hater could argue a million reasons why they think otherwise.
Like this. This is all your opinion. Its Ok that you have it, but its not fact. This is just how you perceive this current political situation. Its Ok with me, doesn’t bother me at all.
“Make America Great”? Yes.
“Make America Great AGAIN”? Not so much…
This presupposes that there was some point in America where it was “greater” than now?
By what measure? What time frame? The 50’s maybe…(when large segment’s of the population were not even afforded basic Constitutional Rights)?
1850’s? 1930’s? (God help us should America go back to either time…)
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Nothing says positive and unifying like LITERALLY saying America is no longer great ala 2016 election.
The 90s.
I mean, when you look at in the sense of Republican vs Democrat, I see it as saying. Hey the last 8 years sucked (Obama), lets make America Great Again.
But again, Iike I said, its easily twisted by anyone who dislikes trump.
“Make America Great Again? YOU MEAN LIKE WHEN WE HAD SLAVES!!! RACIST!” that sort of thing.