Poliquin Recycling

[quote]300andabove wrote:
Fine if you wish to go this route…

Show me a picture of God please… as religion has something to sell.

…and apparently an overabundance of dimmer than usual light bulbs to sell to.
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I’m against most religions, and if I do or don’t believe in God doesn’t change the fact that Poliquin claimed this woman existed, in no way shape or form did I ever say God existed.

People that don’t understand fruit might potentially be a good food to eat that require studies to believe so aren’t in this thread disagreeing with you are they? Alright good just making sure we weren’t making up random attacks…

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Sometimes you just have to take someones fucking word for something and move on… if you have diffuculty with a woman with bigger legs than you then eat more and train more. Theres a novel idea.[/quote]
And sometimes we don’t have to take someones word when they make an outrageous claim. I’ve yet to come across a woman who’s legs are bigger than mine who wasn’t pushing 300+ lbs… I do have difficulty with a person claiming a woman has thighs bigger than one of the best bodybuilders on the planet ever that few genetically elite and AAS using bodybuilders have ever been able to replicate.

Now if I say I know a girl who could make Usain Bolt look slow in a 100 meter race… might you ask for proof of this or just take my word for it?

Oh god, this just had to happen…
Let’s see if we can get 70 pages out of this bullshit, shall we?

[quote]Scott M wrote:
300andabove wrote:
Fine if you wish to go this route…

Show me a picture of God please… as religion has something to sell.

…and apparently an overabundance of dimmer than usual light bulbs to sell to.

I’m against most religions, and if I do or don’t believe in God doesn’t change the fact that Poliquin claimed this woman existed, in no way shape or form did I ever say God existed.

THis is like the people i see in the nutrition part being told … blueberries are good for you… STUDIES ??? WHERES THE STUDIES ??? …

People that don’t understand fruit might potentially be a good food to eat that require studies to believe so aren’t in this thread disagreeing with you are they? Alright good just making sure we weren’t making up random attacks…

Sometimes you just have to take someones fucking word for something and move on… if you have diffuculty with a woman with bigger legs than you then eat more and train more. Theres a novel idea.
And sometimes we don’t have to take someones word when they make an outrageous claim. I’ve yet to come across a woman who’s legs are bigger than mine who wasn’t pushing 300+ lbs… I do have difficulty with a person claiming a woman has thighs bigger than one of the best bodybuilders on the planet ever that few genetically elite and AAS using bodybuilders have ever been able to replicate.

Now if I say I know a girl who could make Usain Bolt look slow in a 100 meter race… might you ask for proof of this or just take my word for it? [/quote]

I believe, as the internet fluent people would suggest, you own him now scott

[quote]MISCONCEPTION wrote:
BODYBUILDING? how do you know who are what Poliquin works with?

You should go to a seminar and you will be surprised to learn who and what actually got there information from where and who?

Did you know that milos sarcev designed most diet and nutrition programs for those in the olympia? did you know Milos has gotten through alott of sticking points with Poliquin’s help?

WHo the fuck would want information from a bunch of ROIDED OUT BOdybuilders? most dont know shit? most rely on 50K of GEAR A YEAR at least. NOn could transform a natural bb.

Poliquin, is beyond his books, beyond these articles and if your lucky enough to even have a phone consult with him you will jump ahead of your results. PERIOD. If you could possibly afford a week with him only then would you get the info that the world class athletics get. [/quote]

so before they started taking steriods what do you think they looked like. you think they wieghed 150 and then took roids and now thier big??

CC,

What’s wrong with 70 pages?! :slight_smile:

People,

We forgot the claim that he also has a strength athlete whose thighs make Ronnie Coleman’s appear to be small.

300andabove,

You are bigger than me but I ain’t no twig or weakling. Now I am no IFBB pro nor am I putting up numbers that would put Dorian or Ronnie to shame. However, I am proud of what I have done. I hover around 230 to 240 and my strength is pretty good for someone my size; certainly better than 95% percent of the lifting population. Plus, when I go to a gym or follow my meal plan, I mean business.

No, attending shows does not make me an expert on training or dieting. But it does allow me to befriend people who train seriously and to take a peak at how some big guys are training and eating.

And you know what …

I have to meet a big guy train anything different than the following …
-2 to 5 way split.
-Each muscle trained once every 4 to 7 days.
-Small muscles trained with 2 to 3 exercises; big muscles trained with 3 to 5 exercises.
-Reps: some guys are pumpers (Flex Wheeler, Paul Dillet, Craig Titus) and others are what people call the “powerbodybuilders” (Dorian, Ronnie, Mike Francois).
-Sets: some guys are low volume, some are moderate, some are high (this is semantics at this point; nearly all guys ramp up or warm up to 1 to 2 all out sets).
-Exercise selection: 1 to 2 “big bangers”; 1 to 2 isolation exercises or “finishers”. People pick the exercises that suits them (ie: squat vs leg press; dumbbell bench vs barbell; pulldowns vs pullups, maybe more isolation than compound for some muscle groups and some pre-exhaust).
-Progression: just try to break records, that’s it!

I have never seen any successful guys, and I mean the biggest dudes around, train any different than these guidelines. I think if Poliquin’s and Waterbury’s ideas were so useful for bodybuilding, we would have taken them up long ago. But these simple methods work and always have worked, for the regular gym guy and for Haney, Arnold, Dorian, Ronnie, and so on.

I’m not knocking Poliquin. I have commended him several times. Its just that I think his stuff has no application to bodybuilding.

Pros don’t become pros just by juicing and having good genetics. That’s like saying someone becomes a doctor or lawyer from just being smart. These guys had to go through so many years of schooling and so much studying and so much emotional and behavioral discipline and so much application of what they learned in order to become a PRO. So how is this different if someone wants to become a PRO bodybuilder; someone who also had to study, apply what he studied, try and fail with some methods, be emotionally disciplined, and had to treat his trade as profession. That’s not just sitting around all day and jabbing needles and lifting like a sissy or when they always wanted to or how they wanted to.

Bill Gates is not where he is at because he was blessed with a high IQ and then just waited around for success to come to him!

You cannot just have raw materials to be a professional (IQ or physical traits). You have to know how to USE these raw materials PLUS you have to study and try hard as hell - I mean really push the limits of yourself. That is how you come out on top.

[quote]Bricknyce wrote:
good stuff[/quote]

Well said. You don’t get bigger muscles than 90% of the population by ignoring what the other guys who are that big have done. People who blame truly huge muscles on “genetics and drugs” as if those several years of greater discipline than most could ever put together don’t count for much make themselves look like hateful little cowards.

I don’t read Poliquin because I don’t care what he has to say. The only bits I get are when someone uses some off the wall quote of his. For some reason, it is the off the wall quotes that newbies seem to take as pure fact.

I do believe these authors hold at least some responsibility for their method of delivery. Yes, there are tons of clueless dumb newbs around…but by tossing out FALSE info, they only add to it.

-Bodybuilders are not weak.

-There is no way in hell some Olympic hopeful has legs bigger than the best bodybuilders in history.

-Big muscles do NOT mean you can’t climb stairs.

-Big muscles do NOT mean the person is clueless and that you can’t learn anything from them.

Short man syndrome is spreading. Why be a carrier?

Thanks P-X.

We really should have a “gist post” at the end of every thread to sum it up in a few sentences for those who didn’t read through everything.

hey prof x and Bricknyce do you guys plan on ever competing, I know you both like the sport alot so i was jw?

[quote]Professor X wrote:
Bricknyce wrote:
good stuff

Well said. You don’t get bigger muscles than 90% of the population by ignoring what the other guys who are that big have done. People who blame truly huge muscles on “genetics and drugs” as if those several years of greater discipline than most could ever put together don’t count for much make themselves look like hateful little cowards.

I don’t read Poliquin because I don’t care what he has to say. The only bits I get are when someone uses some off the wall quote of his. For some reason, it is the off the wall quotes that newbies seem to take as pure fact.

I do believe these authors hold at least some responsibility for their method of delivery. Yes, there are tons of clueless dumb newbs around…but by tossing out FALSE info, they only add to it.

-Bodybuilders are not weak.

-There is no way in hell some Olympic hopeful has legs bigger than the best bodybuilders in history.

-Big muscles do NOT mean you can’t climb stairs.

-Big muscles do NOT mean the person is clueless and that you can’t learn anything from them.

Short man syndrome is spreading. Why be a carrier?[/quote]

your right there is alot of stuff that gets tossed around on this site but if your smart enough as a beginner to weed through it than this site really helps you out esp when you had no idea what you were doing before yano.

[quote]crod266 wrote:
hey prof x and Bricknyce do you guys plan on ever competing, I know you both like the sport alot so i was jw?[/quote]

Who’s “jw”?

I keep saying I may because I have no current plans to. I do hear that I should a lot and if things line up to allow me to do one eventually, then I probably will.

Most people seem to think I am training for “something” as it is so taking that next step isn’t that far off.

Competing is not a priority to me, though. Looking like I could is. I do this because I love it, not for a plastic trophy.

I really love bodybuilding and looking muscular. The excitement I get from training, reading about lifting, and watching this stuff live is amazing! It’s very addictive. I find lifting in the gym to be almost intoxicating, however dramatic that may sound. But that’s how I really feel. Maybe its not too bizarre, considering that some people have nervous breakdowns and temper tantrums when their favorite teams in pro sports lose. I don’t watch much sports on TV. I rather go out and lift.

I plan on doing a natural show next year. I think I could do it now without looking like some inexperienced fool.

Honestly, right now, I hate my current job. Just outgrew it. My ambitions and goals changed career wise. So right now, my priority is to switch jobs and to start my own part time home business. When those two things are in place, then I will plan to compete. For me and what I think, I don’t know how one could get ready for a show unless other life areas are taken care of.

PX, I am thinking that JW means just wondering. There are a lot of internet acronyms out there.

[quote]Bricknyce wrote:

PX, I am thinking that JW means just wondering. There are a lot of internet acronyms out there.
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I knew what it meant.

[quote]Professor X wrote:
Bricknyce wrote:

PX, I am thinking that JW means just wondering. There are a lot of internet acronyms out there.

I knew what it meant.[/quote]

My bad.

[quote]Professor X wrote:
crod266 wrote:
hey prof x and Bricknyce do you guys plan on ever competing, I know you both like the sport alot so i was jw?

Who’s “jw”?

I keep saying I may because I have no current plans to. I do hear that I should a lot and if things line up to allow me to do one eventually, then I probably will.

Most people seem to think I am training for “something” as it is so taking that next step isn’t that far off.

Competing is not a priority to me, though. Looking like I could is. I do this because I love it, not for a plastic trophy.[/quote]

I never said that you only train to hopefully get a trophy and I now like many it is a passion but i just thought it might be possible that you would compete in the future, not that you have to in any way.

[quote]Professor X wrote:

-Big muscles do NOT mean the person is clueless and that you can’t learn anything from them.
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No, but at the same time having big muscles does not mean they are an expert trainer.

However, it does mean that they have been here before, have put their time in, and have figured this shit out. You can’t get the big muscles without getting the experience, and while some of the biggest guys might not have the latest book on conjugated periodization or a degree in biomechanics, there is still a lot to learn from them. You can’t put in the hours, the blood and sweat, and hundreds of lbs of chicken, without learning something along the way. A lot of times, the things you can learn won’t be found in a textbook or on the interwebz.

As for olympic athletes vs bodybuilders, I do believe that there are some olympic athletes (mostly olympic lifters) that have legs bigger than a lot of bodybuilders. I don’t think these legs look as nice, are as symmetric, or as defined though. CT mentioned at one point that his legs were bigger when he was olympic lifting, but now they are more “completely developed.” I’d even believe they probably look bigger now, since they are more symmetric and defined.

However, when Poliquin used the example of a female speedskater I’m sure he was using a hyperbole to get his point across, and I can’t believe this is even up for debate.

[quote]threewhitelights wrote:
Professor X wrote:

-Big muscles do NOT mean the person is clueless and that you can’t learn anything from them.

No, but at the same time having big muscles does not mean they are an expert trainer. [/quote]

Please. 9 times out of 10, if I want info on getting even bigger, the person I need to ask is going to be BIG themselves. I can’t think of anything that has helped me directly in the gym that I learned from someone who looks like they barely lift. NOT ONE THING. Most of the data some of you seem to take as being so cutting edge isn’t just useless, it is mental masturbation at best and is NOT what helped most really big guys get really big.

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As for olympic athletes vs bodybuilders, I do believe that there are some olympic athletes (mostly olympic lifters) that have legs bigger than a lot of bodybuilders.[/quote]

Wait. Stop. No one said there are no bodybuilders the world over with legs smaller than an Olympic hopeful. There are bodybuilders who compete as bantam weights who may have legs smaller than some high school kids. What the fuck does that have to do with the claim that there is A WOMAN out there with legs bigger than one of the most developed bodybuilders on the entire planet? Platz is not any bodybuilder. This man changed the entire scene as far as expectations of leg development. No one was even trying to get legs that big before he jumped on stage. He alone is one of the main reasons that people now even have the goal of really huge legs.

Are you all just making up shit to argue about?

Every point you even attempted to make had been covered already in this thread.

No one needs to hear yet again that there may just be some really huge guy out there who has no fucking clue how he got that way. Someone like that would not be the majority.

The REAL problem is people seem to think it takes some advanced degree in sports performance for them to understand how to build big muscles.

The really big guys understand one thing above all, it doesn’t fucking matter how many books you’ve read in the gym or how many personal trainers you can quote. The proof that something works is in the results. It lies in the internal drive of the individual and not in the hands of some guy who looks anorexic.

[quote]threewhitelights wrote:
CT mentioned at one point that his legs were bigger when he was olympic lifting, but now they are more “completely developed.” I’d even believe they probably look bigger now, since they are more symmetric and defined. [/quote]

Keep in mind that CT also intentionally throttles back his development - I should say ‘size’ - because he stated it is better for business to NOT look like Vin Di…I mean a bodybuilder. I doubt he cared about how image affects business back when he was Oly-lifting competitively.

[quote]PonceDeLeon wrote:
threewhitelights wrote:
CT mentioned at one point that his legs were bigger when he was olympic lifting, but now they are more “completely developed.” I’d even believe they probably look bigger now, since they are more symmetric and defined.

Keep in mind that CT also intentionally throttles back his development - I should say ‘size’ - because he stated it is better for business to NOT look like Vin Di…I mean a bodybuilder. I doubt he cared about how image affects business back when he was Oly-lifting competitively.[/quote]

Very true. CT has admitted that he intentionally lost size so that he didn’t scare away clients. Using that to say that Olympic lifters are somehow more developed than the largest bodybuilders in the country is retarded.

[quote]PonceDeLeon wrote:
threewhitelights wrote:
CT mentioned at one point that his legs were bigger when he was olympic lifting, but now they are more “completely developed.” I’d even believe they probably look bigger now, since they are more symmetric and defined.

Keep in mind that CT also intentionally throttles back his development - I should say ‘size’ - because he stated it is better for business to NOT look like Vin Di…I mean a bodybuilder. I doubt he cared about how image affects business back when he was Oly-lifting competitively.[/quote]

Man, I got a good laugh out of that, I always thought he somewhat resembled Vin Diesel, which is in no way a knock on him.