Plyo + Speed + Weights for Basketball

10 hours of intense practice is nothing. I practice 3 hours in the morning and aroun 2 1/2 in the afternoon with my team 5 days a week, that doesnt include games, yes thats right we have practice before games too. Even thought it is another sport i definitly feel improvement and in no way is it burning me out. I think its all a mental game.

Theres is no one conditioning excercise that works magic. The best is always playing your sport. Doing one thing wont help but doing millions of things will.Switching your conditioning a little makes u a little more adverse to the situation. Condition should b playing your sport, that should b the core of your conditioning program.

Other excecises should aid this so ask yourself is it really helping me?

I suggest for reaction something simple and basic like this. I do this for swim meets, in the heats before my race i close my eyes and when the starting beep goes of i clap. I try to get my reaction time down. But like i said I suggest training sport specific. So for you maybe running a direction and having a friend whistle and you having to switch direction. Once you get more explosive and reaction time improves your vertical will soon follow.

Remember, no matter how conditioned you are, If you do not have the skills, you will get owned.

Talent>Skill>Conditioning

[quote]back211 wrote:
10 hours of intense practice is nothing. I practice 3 hours in the morning and aroun 2 1/2 in the afternoon with my team 5 days a week, that doesnt include games, yes thats right we have practice before games too. Even thought it is another sport i definitly feel improvement and in no way is it burning me out. I think its all a mental game.
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Let’s remember, swimming is one of the lowest impact sports around. Your body takes a hell of a greater beating playing basketball than swimming. And nevermind other sports such as football.

[quote]zephead4747 wrote:
Everytime you post an endurance sport thread on the strength sports forum, jesus kills a kitten.

this is roughly as relevant as combat pyramids, and rock climbing in the bodybuilding section.[/quote]

There’s no specific section for it otherwise though. It probably deserves its own forum sub heading seeing there are plenty of articles related to strength & conditioning produced by the authors on this site.

[quote]jtrinsey wrote:
Desideratus15 wrote:
ajcook99 wrote:

  1. Sprint work before playing open gym. My guys do what we call 18/16 before starting the games. 18 widths of the court in 60 seconds with a 60 second break and then 16 widths in 60 seconds. I have them do sprints before playing to pre-exhaust them and get them used to playing in a fatigued state.

This isn’t sprint work though. This is, in my opinion, pointless conditioning. Playing basketball gets you in game shape by itself. If you want them to play in a fatigued state why not have them play up-tempo or for a longer duration.

Agreed, 5 nights at 2 hours of open gym is also overload and at some point can be detrimental to some kids.

It depends on the athlete though, so I’m not going to make a general prediction. For instance, for many of the kids that train with me, I specifically instruct them NOT to go to some of these coach-run “conditioning” or workout sessions to “get in shape.” Why? Because with proper year-round training, you never get out of shape!

To a various degree, you should always be “in shape” for your sport. For instance, if a basketball player plays high school ball, they should certainly be in shape by the end of the season. Then when winter season ends, many of them are playing AAU ball or doing other sort of training.

As long as they are performing a maintenance load of conditioning work or up-tempo full-court play (which can be as little as once a week), they can stay at the point where they might only need 6-8 conditioning workouts, which can easily be done in 2 weeks of the pre-season, to get pretty much in full game shape. Remember, you don’t need to be able to play 4 quarters in July, you need that in October/November.

Body fat also comes into play here. It’s pretty damn easy to get somebody who’s 10% body fat into shape.[/quote]

I work with a 15 y.o. player who plays ball year round and been for about 5-6 yrs. When he started w/ me, he had huge flexibility issues. We sent him to a great local hospital where he was seen by a orthopedist.

This physician recommeded 10-12 wks of physical therapy to correct muscular imbalances and very poor flexibility that he said likely resulted in large part from playing ball all the time at the expense of other activities.

This kid is a high D-1 prospect. He is getting looks from big schools like UCLA, Arizona, Oregon State, Notre Dame, Texas, Texas A&M, LSU, you get the point. Well he was always rated down by scouts because he is not “bouncy” (he wasn’t dunking).

Well everyone said he needed to get stronger. So he worked on his squat and other core lifts the strength and conditioning coach has him and his teammates doing. And he definitley got stronger.

This 15 y.o. is 6’4" and 195 chiselled pounds at well under 10% bodyfat. I’ve played with this kid. If he fouls you, you know it…for days. Try to run him over, you’re gonna think twice before doing it again he is that solid. But he was he still wasn’t dunking until well into his work with the P-T.

Well, about the 8th or 9th wk into the PT, things really began to click for him athletically. Now he dunks with ease, gets down very low in a defensive stance, has much better lateral quickness and is faster.

The P-T had him strengthen his glutes with various hips lifts, his hips with variations of the “clamshell” and some unusual bodyweight squat exercises, his core with various forms of bridging.He was prescribe static stretching positions for his hamstrings.

He was also given a foam roller to use daily, especially after any workout and told be sure to hit the I-T Band. He was advised in no uncertain terms that he was headed for injury if he did not take P-T seriously. Obviously he did. He continues to. He is a believer.

I say all this to say that just playing and lifting all the time without addressing the imbalances this creates in the body is limiting the athletic performance of young athletes. For this kid, the crucial pieces were increasing ROM in certain areas and strengthening the posterior chain. Correct attention to these factors helped unlock the stored athletic potential created by the strength work.

rackrecker,

Good post. I think for most kids I would go:

1.) Strength
2.) Muscular activation and mobility
3.) Running and jumping technique
4.) Body fat
5.) Plyo drills

In order of importance. If you really think about it, #1 and #2 are very similar for athletes, you won’t be able to get strong in a full range of motion if you have no glutes or if your hips are so tight you can barely rotate them.

For basketball and volleyball players I would say plyo drills are not very important; kids from these sports tend to play their sport year round and their practices are two hours of jumping. You rarely see a “strong but slow” kid who has been playing bball or vball for a while. Almost anybody with good relative strength who has played one of those two sports year-round for a couple years will have some hops. Most are pretty proficient jumpers who display any strength they do have very well so the plyo work is a little pointless, IMO.

[quote]Desideratus15 wrote:
ajcook99 wrote:

  1. Sprint work before playing open gym. My guys do what we call 18/16 before starting the games. 18 widths of the court in 60 seconds with a 60 second break and then 16 widths in 60 seconds. I have them do sprints before playing to pre-exhaust them and get them used to playing in a fatigued state.

This isn’t sprint work though. This is, in my opinion, pointless conditioning. Playing basketball gets you in game shape by itself. If you want them to play in a fatigued state why not have them play up-tempo or for a longer duration. [/quote]

Agree! Save the sprints/sprint endurance for afterwards, or even better, a few hrs. after. Depends when games are being played. 2-3 times a week. But not before every open gym, DAMN! I can’t believe you have them doing this before every open gym game, that’s insane. I’m sure they really look forward to playing. :stuck_out_tongue:

To answer the orginal poster, work on getting stronger, add wt. to that bar! Do your workouts before you work on your skills. I would play pickup 2-3 time a week, maybe just once for awhile till you get your strength up & add some muscle. Forget the plyos, after your done working on your skills, take some time trying to dunk & seeing how high you can touch on the backboard. If you can’t dunk, work on it with different size balls. Start with a tennis ball & move up when possible. ( 15 mins. tops with this! )

Also, never dunk on the lower rims, complete waste of time. I see kids doing this all the time, and they suck ass.