Read these links and think for a moment if you are taking it right now. I never taken it before because i cant find it here in my country. I hope this would useful for you guys out there.
The n-6 deficiency of Flax seed oil can be easily offset by mixing your flaxseed oil with a healthy fat high in n-6 such as sunflower oil. I forget the exact ration. I think it’s 3:1; flax oil:sunflower oil.
-Uga
Thanks for passing that on. Very interesting articles!
[quote]ChoBoChan wrote:
Read these links and think for a moment if you are taking it right now. I never taken it before because i cant find it here in my country. I hope this would useful for you guys out there.
http://www.udoerasmus.com/articles/udo/flax_prostate.htm[/quote]
That’s kind of scary! I’ve been taking that stuff for about 2 years now!
Oh man. I’ve been planing to start taking it, but have serious doubts now. Still, I would like to hear something on the matter from the more educated members of this forum.
Damn, I’ve been taking this stuff for a while too. I wonder though, the WebMD article says “flax seed oil causes a 300% increase in the growth of prostate cancer cells.” Does that mean that you are 3 times as likely to get cancer, or that if you already have it it will grow faster?
I read the same article about a week ago.
I always suspected the omega 3s in flaxseed oil may not have the same beneficial effects as the omega 3s in fish
oil. I guess I was right in my assumption and never recommended flaxseed oil to anyone…
What is olive oil? An omega 6? If I added olive oil to my flax would that combat the problem?
Guys, take a deep breath and calm down. You all need to go back to the Udo Urasmus link and finish it. Heres a direct quote from it
“These findings do not provide proof, but the trend is clear. It suggests that ALA or the other n-3 do not increase prostate cancer, but that the n-3 molecules damaged during commercial processing and food preparation: cooking, frying, and especially barbecuing may well do so.”
It’s NOT the flax oil, but rather the chemical alterations that occur when the oil is damaged, like for instance from heat, which is why T-mag has repeatedly said to only purchase flax oil that is in a refrigerator (at the store) and that was hopefully transported in cooled trucks. And no, olive oil is not an omega-6, but father an omega-9 MONOunsaturate.
Also how much is too much when taking PUFAs. I don’t generally take that much PUFAs but I don’t take that much Omega 6s so the ratio of 3s to 6s isn’t too out of whack. A bit of fish oil won’t hurt though. As long as you cut out excessive omega 6s like vegetable oils, margarines, all those so called healthy crap with vegetable oils out of your diet, you don’t need to take that much flax oil maybe 2 TBS at the most. Stick with more saturated like butter or even better virgin coconut oil and MUFA like extra virgin olive oil. Just my opinion based on what I’ve learned but there are much to learn as it appears to be. Combination of these three works better than relying mostly on flax oil.
Udo,s oil blend is the best on the market and has all the proper mixes that is needed to fullfill your needs.
Also read his book called Fats and Oils by Udo Erasmus.
Good Luck
R
I contend that Udo’s is NOT the best choice for fats. Better than nuthing, yea, best, no. Udo’s has a blend of Omega-3’s, 6’s, and 9’s. Most people have a severe overabundance of 6’s and an underabundance of 3’s, so while your taking the Udo’s and bumping up the 3’s your simultaniously bumping up the 6’s and 9’s and therefore defeating the purpose of getting a better 3/6 ratio. If a guy lived in a vacume and the ONLY fat he got was Udo’s blend THEN he’d be a healthy mutherfucker. BUT, I don’t live in a vacume and therefore have to put in a little effort in order to get an adequate amount of Omega-3 fatty acids to include linolenic acid from Flax and EPA/DHA from fish oil. Besides, Udo’s oil is very popular and he’s very well known and therefore he can over-charge for his oil, which he does.
Soldierslim is correct.
[quote]yanbu wrote:
. . .the WebMD article says “flax seed oil causes a 300% increase in the growth of prostate cancer cells.” Does that mean that you are 3 times as likely to get cancer, or that if you already have it it will grow faster?[/quote]
It does NOT mean you are 3X more likely to get cancer. It means that existing cancer cells grow more quickly. I’m not sure whether this is in vivo or in vitro, but one little study like this should not cause panic.
It is very important to realize that virtually any nutrient that provides nourishment for your body’s healthy cells ALSO provides nourishment for cancer cells. They are all cells. All cells divide (at different rates depending on the type of cell), and normal cells are genetically programmed to die. Cancer cells are mutated so that they never die. Cancer cells, just like normal cells, divide at different rates; so some cancers grow fast and some grow slowly. As long as nutrients are available, cancer cells will continue to live. Therefore it is very hard to starve cancer cells of nutrients without harming all your other normal, vital cells as well.
If you do not have cancer, do not worry about nutrients that promote cancer growth. Normal cells NEED those nutrients. If you do get diagnosed with cancer, though, THEN you may want to modify your diet to reduce nutrients and hormones that have been proven to help cancer cells preferentially proliferate. Nutrition is a totally different ball game once you have cancer.
[quote]Tungsten wrote:
Also how much is too much when taking PUFAs. I don’t generally take that much PUFAs but I don’t take that much Omega 6s so the ratio of 3s to 6s isn’t too out of whack. A bit of fish oil won’t hurt though. As long as you cut out excessive omega 6s like vegetable oils, margarines, all those so called healthy crap with vegetable oils out of your diet, you don’t need to take that much flax oil maybe 2 TBS at the most. Stick with more saturated like butter or even better virgin coconut oil and MUFA like extra virgin olive oil. Just my opinion based on what I’ve learned but there are much to learn as it appears to be. Combination of these three works better than relying mostly on flax oil.[/quote]
If you eat a lot of meat and chicken, as I imagine most Testosterone readers do, then you are getting a lot more omega-6’s than you think. Most nutrition info labels I’ve seen that break down fat into subcategories show that most of the fat in these animal protein sources comes from omega-6’s. Even a good marbled ribeye steak had very little saturated fat and mostly omega-6. I learned this when I was carefully logging every gram I ate. So you may need a lot more omega-3’s than you think to get a ratio that is healthy for you.
Has anyone here ever heard of or had any negative reaction to Flax Oil? I have noticed a lot of little hive-like bumps on my body. They appeared around the same time I started taking Flax oil. I have been taking eight tablespoons a day with my P-F meals. I thought maybe it was Scabes, but then I remembered I just started taking the oil.
JOe_Bod
“eight tablespoons a day”
Eeeck…no but probably no one has thought to take that much per day. Why are you taking that much??? Do you have some condition that you are attempting to treat? Depending on how much other omega 3 fatty acids you comsume 2-3 tbsp of flax per day is enough.
If you are taking flax, you will need to take a source of “good omega 6 fatty acids” as above. GLA can be found in black currant seed, borage or evening primrose oil.
what’s the most ideal 3:6:9 ratio?
and how can you achieve it?
thanks
I said eight tblsp. but I actually meant four. This does not seam like too much spread out between two meals that contain about fifty grams of protien a meal. I also take fish oil caps, and when I was taking them alone I noticed no scabe like bumps. Any comments on flax allergens would be apretiated.
Joe
First off, I’m very skepticle when a person just puts his name: Udo Eraser, Followed by, PHD. So WHAT ? Big deal. It doesn’t mean anything. The fact that his runnig his own business means he’s not a practicing scientist any more.
And naturally, he wants to create some sort of fear or uncertaintity in us so they we’ll by his products. His what is know as a pseudo-scientist. He’s not providing any solid evidence regarding his claims.
He can interpret all the studies he wants to in his favour. I just don’t see any solid evidence.
We know that the meat we consume has a high level of n-6 oil. So just because we take a little flax doesn’t mean our chances of getting cancer will be any higher.