Please Rate My Bulking Progress

haha sorry guys, m.muntazio has been trolling hard lately.

but since you bothered to stop in, I might as well post some progress here.

8/17/11
187 lb
left arm circ 16 1/4" (I stupidly measured this while my arm was flexed)
chest 39 1/8"

11/14
205.6 lb
left arm 16 3/8" (relaxed)
chest 41 1/8"

lifts have gone up across the board. one example is incline BB bench. I was pressing 185x4 in August. I just recently pressed 205x10 and I’m moving up to 215 this week. also, my avi pic is about a month old and I still look more or less like that.

[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:

[quote]jskrabac wrote:
Damnit, just realized this thread is old balls…[/quote]

Aw, hell. Well, least it ain’t rottin’ yet.

[/quote]

OP: Sorry 4 the hijack.

Cephalic carnage: I remember you mentioning your PM’s are turned off so I won’t try and contact you that way… I have a workout log and would be very grateful for any advice/input/feedback you may be able to offer. I’ve heard several guys mention that your help was hugely beneficial to them. Here is the link…

As I said I’d really appreciate any advice you can offer.

BB

[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:

[quote]JFG wrote:
Clean you diet.[/quote]

What’s that going to do?

[/quote]

I have to explain that to you?

He has specific goals.

And if that isnt enough: Learn to eat properly and for your specific goal. Once he reaches my age, he doesnt have the luxury of clearing a Chinese Buffet as a peri workout carb load.

He needs more veggies (but that is personal, and I believe in it for long term health), cut the fruit juice and eat a fruit. Dump the sugary cereal, unless it’s part of his peri workout. Two cups of almonds is over kill.

Look, he is doing good so far and Im cheering for him to reach 1K. But to just have a mentality of eating everything in sight, is well, short sighted. What’s wrong with doing great and being able to do it 20, 30 and even 30 years from now?

And he needs tweaking, not a complete make over.

not hating but for a bulk i would up the food intake considerably, even a clean one.

lol the good thing about the buffets I go to is they usually have sushi, white rice and some veggies that aren’t completely doused in greasy sauce. but then again I eat like that maybe once every 4-8 weeks.

I do need to eat more veggies and it seems like I can never get enough in a day. I would like to eat them at every meal except for immediately post-workout.

I ditched the fruit juice and I make a point to eat fruit usually in the morning so the fiber can get into my system earlier and help absorb water/nutrients and improve stool quality for the day. I started eating oatmeal for breakfast again, I had completely forgotten about it somehow.

on training days I will usually eat maybe a cup of almonds at night with a protein shake if I’m somewhere where/when eating a proper meal would be inconvenient. on non-training days I’ll usually eat around two cups for the day. since I have a half hour drive to work, I started eating about half of that and some fruit if I have any, eat a few handfuls throughout the day when I’m short on time, eat the rest on the way home then eat a P/F/C meal if possible.

I tested my DL 1RM for the first time a few weeks ago and hit 365 (chalk, mixed grip, no belt) after I finished my 1’s week workout on the 531 template. I’m pretty sure I could pull 400 if I dedicated a week or two to pulling heavy triples/doubles/singles. I might even be able to pull it tomorrow since I’ll be pretty fresh (did rows on Saturday), but I’m planning on another cycle of 531 before I re-test. my bench and squat are coming along and I’m confident I could hit a 1RM between 250-300 for both (wrist wraps needed for bench due to problems with left wrist).

after this period of bulking, I can say with a fair amount of certainty that 20 kcal/lb will lead to too much fat gain for me, and that I need about 15-16kcal/lb to see gains on the scale. however, I recognize that I have to eat closer to 20 kcal/lb to keep some lifts from stalling.

[quote]JLone wrote:

[quote]fr0IVIan wrote:
8/17/11
187 lb
left arm circ 16 1/4" (I stupidly measured this while my arm was flexed)
chest 39 1/8"

11/14
205.6 lb
left arm 16 3/8" (relaxed)
chest 41 1/8"
[/quote]
Nice Progress. [/quote]

thanks J. I’m hoping to get to your level by April.

[quote]JFG wrote:

[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:

[quote]JFG wrote:
Clean you diet.[/quote]

What’s that going to do?

[/quote]

I have to explain that to you?

He has specific goals.
[/quote]
Getting bigger while staying lean if I understood things correctly…
You told him to clean up his diet right after the OP where it wasn’t even posted… All he mentioned was an increase in abdominal fat… And my question is, how is cleaning up his diet going to keep him lean while getting bigger? What does that even have to do with his goal?

[quote]

And if that isnt enough: Learn to eat properly and for your specific goal. Once he reaches my age, he doesnt have the luxury of clearing a Chinese Buffet as a peri workout carb load.

He needs more veggies (but that is personal, and I believe in it for long term health)
[/quote] Hm. You’re worried about cereal/sugar but not about pesticides I guess? [quote], cut the fruit juice and eat a fruit. Dump the sugary cereal, unless it’s part of his peri workout.
Two cups of almonds is over kill.
[/quote] Overkill for what? [quote]
Look, he is doing good so far and Im cheering for him to reach 1K. But to just have a mentality of eating everything in sight, is well, short sighted. What’s wrong with doing great and being able to do it 20, 30 and even 30 years from now?
[/quote] Cereal and Chinese Buffets will prevent him from doing that?
Not that I like either, mind.
I just think your original comment was not relevant to his OP. That you want him to stay healthy isn’t something I necessarily disagree with though, but… Not everyone has the luxury to be able to buy whatever they want in the quantities they want. And not everyone can meet his required intake with veggies, rice and chicken breasts and the like.
And again… You meantioned cleaning up his diet as if that would matter over his overall intake etc in regards to his goal.

I probably sound more devil’s advocat-ish/contrarian there than I mean to be btw.

[quote]fr0IVIan wrote:
lol the good thing about the buffets I go to is they usually have sushi, white rice and some veggies that aren’t completely doused in greasy sauce. but then again I eat like that maybe once every 4-8 weeks.

I do need to eat more veggies and it seems like I can never get enough in a day. I would like to eat them at every meal except for immediately post-workout.

I ditched the fruit juice and I make a point to eat fruit usually in the morning so the fiber can get into my system earlier and help absorb water/nutrients and improve stool quality for the day. I started eating oatmeal for breakfast again, I had completely forgotten about it somehow.

on training days I will usually eat maybe a cup of almonds at night with a protein shake if I’m somewhere where/when eating a proper meal would be inconvenient. on non-training days I’ll usually eat around two cups for the day. since I have a half hour drive to work, I started eating about half of that and some fruit if I have any, eat a few handfuls throughout the day when I’m short on time, eat the rest on the way home then eat a P/F/C meal if possible.

I tested my DL 1RM for the first time a few weeks ago and hit 365 (chalk, mixed grip, no belt) after I finished my 1’s week workout on the 531 template. I’m pretty sure I could pull 400 if I dedicated a week or two to pulling heavy triples/doubles/singles. I might even be able to pull it tomorrow since I’ll be pretty fresh (did rows on Saturday), but I’m planning on another cycle of 531 before I re-test. my bench and squat are coming along and I’m confident I could hit a 1RM between 250-300 for both (wrist wraps needed for bench due to problems with left wrist).

after this period of bulking, I can say with a fair amount of certainty that 20 kcal/lb will lead to too much fat gain for me, and that I need about 15-16kcal/lb to see gains on the scale. however, I recognize that I have to eat closer to 20 kcal/lb to keep some lifts from stalling.[/quote]

If you want to stick with gaining weight very slowly, then it might help a great deal to adjust your training (and expectations) to that.

There are some training cycles Ed Coan used that have worked really well for me while staying roughly the same weight. (not the calculators available on the net!)

As far as “too much fat gain”… Obviously there is only so much you can do without getting fat, but, again, your gym progress has a good bit of influence on that. If you are only gaining, say, 20 lb on your squat, dead and bench, 5 or whatever on your curls and extensions and such while gaining 10 lb or more of bodyweight as a natty in that time-frame, well… No reason for that 10 lb gain to be mostly muscle.

[quote]fr0IVIan wrote:

[quote]JLone wrote:

[quote]fr0IVIan wrote:
8/17/11
187 lb
left arm circ 16 1/4" (I stupidly measured this while my arm was flexed)
chest 39 1/8"

11/14
205.6 lb
left arm 16 3/8" (relaxed)
chest 41 1/8"
[/quote]
Nice Progress. [/quote]

thanks J. I’m hoping to get to your level by April.
[/quote]

Arm measurements are taken flexed usually (like a double bi, just with one arm if you do it yourself).

Actually… All measurements are taken flexed in bbing/physique etc.

[quote]buddaboy wrote:

[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:

[quote]jskrabac wrote:
Damnit, just realized this thread is old balls…[/quote]

Aw, hell. Well, least it ain’t rottin’ yet.

[/quote]

OP: Sorry 4 the hijack.

Cephalic carnage: I remember you mentioning your PM’s are turned off so I won’t try and contact you that way… I have a workout log and would be very grateful for any advice/input/feedback you may be able to offer. I’ve heard several guys mention that your help was hugely beneficial to them. Here is the link…

As I said I’d really appreciate any advice you can offer.

BB[/quote]

I don’t really have much time to spend in the forums anymore, hence me being here so rarely lately… You can e-mail me though if you need help with anything in particular, or even your general approach. No promises though.
(check profile → info)

Dude, you went from inclining 185 for 4 to doing it for 10 at 205. You’re doing something right bud.

I’m in a dilemma that I’m sure a lot of lifters have gone through. I’m getting uncomfortable with my size, increased body fat and relatively worsened conditioning. however, I also want my lifts to keep going up because that is indicative of muscle growth.

I’ve got until January to gain 5 more lb so I’m not feeling as much urgency to hit 210 lb BW as I was 4 months ago… but I’m also noticing that if I slack off at all, the scale doesn’t move, at all. the last week was a poor one training-wise due to moving and work, and despite all the Thanksgiving food the scale hasn’t moved a bit. so that was a good learning experience for me.

either way a BW of at least 210 by January is still my goal. I’m thinking I should go for broke and just keep eating big as long as my lifts are going up, then start a recomp in January as planned. the good news is that pretty much all of my lifts are still going up 10-20 lb a month.

[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:

[quote]fr0IVIan wrote:

[quote]JLone wrote:

[quote]fr0IVIan wrote:
8/17/11
187 lb
left arm circ 16 1/4" (I stupidly measured this while my arm was flexed)
chest 39 1/8"

11/14
205.6 lb
left arm 16 3/8" (relaxed)
chest 41 1/8"
[/quote]
Nice Progress. [/quote]

thanks J. I’m hoping to get to your level by April.
[/quote]

Arm measurements are taken flexed usually (like a double bi, just with one arm if you do it yourself).

Actually… All measurements are taken flexed in bbing/physique etc.

[/quote]

really?? then my left arm is at 16 7/8".

how are you supposed to do a chest measurement?

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
Dude, you went from inclining 185 for 4 to doing it for 10 at 205. You’re doing something right bud.[/quote]

thanks, Flash. it’s just rough going through a new experience, but I’m learning a lot.

[quote]fr0IVIan wrote:
I’m in a dilemma that I’m sure a lot of lifters have gone through. I’m getting uncomfortable with my size, increased body fat and relatively worsened conditioning. however, I also want

my lifts to keep going up because that is indicative of muscle growth.
[/quote] Hm, well, depends. [quote]

I’ve got until January to gain 5 more lb so I’m not feeling as much urgency to hit 210 lb BW as I was 4 months ago… but I’m also noticing that if I slack off at all, the scale doesn’t move, at all. the last week was a poor one training-wise due to moving and work, and despite all the Thanksgiving food the scale hasn’t moved a bit. so that was a good learning experience for me.

either way a BW of at least 210 by January is still my goal.
[/quote] If you still want to “lean gain” then I’d not set an exact BW goal to be honest… No point in being 210 by then if that ends up with you being fatter than you want to be.[quote] I’m thinking I should go for broke and just keep eating big as long as my lifts are going up,
[/quote] They (not just the big 3-5 either) have to go up by a good margin to justify your bodyweight gain. [quote] then start a recomp in January as planned. the good news is that pretty much all of my lifts are still going up 10-20 lb a month.[/quote]
How much weight did you gain each month? How much weight have you gained total and how much have your lifts (list them) increased over that time-frame?

Oh, and I may have missed it, but, post your program here if you don’t mind and your cal and protein intake per day.

[quote]fr0IVIan wrote:

[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:

[quote]fr0IVIan wrote:

[quote]JLone wrote:

[quote]fr0IVIan wrote:
8/17/11
187 lb
left arm circ 16 1/4" (I stupidly measured this while my arm was flexed)
chest 39 1/8"

11/14
205.6 lb
left arm 16 3/8" (relaxed)
chest 41 1/8"
[/quote]
Nice Progress. [/quote]

thanks J. I’m hoping to get to your level by April.
[/quote]

Arm measurements are taken flexed usually (like a double bi, just with one arm if you do it yourself).

Actually… All measurements are taken flexed in bbing/physique etc.

[/quote]

really?? then my left arm is at 16 7/8".

how are you supposed to do a chest measurement?[/quote]

Lats flexed as well, tape covering the nipples is how I learned it…

thanks so much for your time, C_C. i’ll try to reply as succinctly as possible.

weight gain each month:
May - 169 lb
June - 180 lb
July - 182 lb
August - 187 lb (start of Tnation log)
September - 188.5 lb
October - 200.4 lb
November - 205.6 lb

so total weight gain of about 35 lb since the end of May.

i only keep current weights on my personal log (on my phone), otherwise it gets too unwieldy to get through at the gym. i started keeping a log on here in September. weight increases for the following lifts are over the September to November time frame unless specified. weights listed with a ^ mean that i’m supposed to add more weight next session.

dips - 45x7/75x10^
pushdowns - 90x16/130x15
CG smith bench/CGBP - 225x8/215x10^
incline bench - 185x4/205x10^
flat bench (over < 2 months) - 215x6/225x10^
cable flyes - 40x14/80x14
bb back squat (over < 2 months) - 185x8/215x9
standing calf raise - 120x7/165x10^
leg extensions - 50x15/135x15^. started doing these with a 1 sec concentric, squeeze then 2 sec eccentric but changed to a 1 sec eccentric.
seated bb ohp - 115x9/145x9
wide grip lat pulldown - 165x10/180x10
bb shrug - 205x10/285x10
pendlay row (over < 2 months) - 175x7/185x10^
db deadstop row (over < 2 months) - 110x7/115x10

my program for the week is listed as follows. due to work, i usually do AM and PM sessions to try and hit muscle groups once a week.

session 1 - chest+medial delts
2 - back thickness
3 - deadlift/traps
4 - back width
5 - shoulders
6 - squat/quads/calves
7 - arms

total cals for the day range from 3200-4000. protein intake is 300-350g.

edit: can’t get the quotes to show up correctly for some reason.

for all of my lifts, i’ll warm up to the top set for the first compound movement and do it, then do the top set of my second compound movement, then go back to the first movement and do 2 more sets at the top weight followed by 2 lighter sets, then the same with the second movement, then finally an isolation movement. however, i don’t do this for squats and pullups (only one set at top weight) or deadlift (i follow the 5/3/1 template). compound movements are taken to 10 reps, isolation to 15 reps.

chest+medial delts
incline bb bench
flat bb bench
Glass lateral raises
cable flyes

back thickness
pendlay rows (last set is a bb row)
db rows (first set is a deadstop row, the rest are regular db rows)
seated cable row
face pull
reverse cable flyes

deadlift/traps
deadlift
GM
bb shrug
db shrug
seated leg curl
calf machine shrugs

back width
wide/neutral/close grip pullups (1 set weighted, 2 sets BW)
lat pulldown
rope straight arm pulldown

shoulders
bb ohp
isolateral db front raise
Glass lateral raise
cable lateral raise (switching out for seated machine laterals)
face pull
reverse cable flye

squats/quads/calves
bb back squat
bb front squat
standing calf machine raise
seated calf machine raise
leg extensions

arms (complicated by wrist injuries, hence no BB or ezbar curls, and now a slight strain to right biceps)
supinating alternated db curl
pinwheel curl
dips
CGBP
standing rope curl (preacher curl bench digs into my ribs)
pushdowns

[quote]fr0IVIan wrote:
November - 205.6 lb
[/quote]
I’m sitting at 205.2 this morning.

[quote]JLone wrote:

[quote]fr0IVIan wrote:
November - 205.6 lb
[/quote]
I’m sitting at 205.2 this morning.[/quote]

lol I’m lower than 205.6… I weighed in at 205.4 this morning, after I peed and had my first shake but before I pooped.

I get 4 training days this week though so I’m expecting to gain some this week.

lol you’re leaner and stronger than me though so gtfoutta heahhh