[quote] JJ wrote:
because it isnt as potent in my view… the dose is spread out so to speak rather than concentrated.
In enanth the dose is spread over 3 weeks or so.
In sust, over half is gone in the first week and a half, and the last fraction is a 3-4 week ester.
Less sides.[/quote]
Yeah, at this stage in my life, I’m willing to make that tradeoff. I’m just looking for moderate gains.
WK1-8 500mg Sust (125mg 4xPW)
WK4-8 50mg Winstrol ED
2 weeks off (could use winstrol here instead)
WK11-12 40mg Nolvadex
WK13-14 20mg Nolvadex
Adex .25 ED
(PCT wont work while there is EXO test in your system… i looked at the elimination and at the end of week 2 the levels are below 20mg so probably not suppressive)
Can we close this thread now? 
JJ
[quote] JJ wrote:
WK1-8 500mg Sust (125mg 4xPW)
WK4-8 50mg Winstrol ED
2 weeks off (could use winstrol here instead)
WK11-12 40mg Nolvadex
WK13-14 20mg Nolvadex
Adex .25 ED
(PCT wont work while there is EXO test in your system… i looked at the elimination and at the end of week 2 the levels are below 20mg so probably not suppressive)
Can we close this thread now?
JJ[/quote]
Haha, sure. This looks great. Thanks dude!
[quote]Max Hardcore wrote:
I’m 35, have been lifting naturally for 20 years, am 5’11" 255, about 16% bf.
I’m just looking for moderate strength gains while looking to get down to about 12%bf.
Here’s what I’m thinking:
week 1: 250 mg sust 1x week, 30mg winstrol ed
2: 500 mg sust e3d, 40mg winstrol ed
3: 750 mg sust eod, 50mg winstrol ed
4: 750 mg sust eod, 50mg winstrol ed
5: 750 mg sust eod, 40mg winstrol ed
6: 500 mg sust e3d
7: 500 mg sust e3d
8: 250 mg sust 1x week
.25 adex ed for all 8 weeks
40 mg nolva ed weeks 9-10
20 mg nolav ed weeks 11-12
I also have anavar and clenbuterol but am unsure how to incorporate them (or even if I should) for this cycle. I want to keep this cycle as simple as possible.
Thanks for your feedback![/quote]
When I first look at your cycle, I thought this guy is a pro BB, taking those amounts. You first Cycle? Congrats, you will be on you way to health problems. OK, Let’s get serious, Do not tke more than 250-500 first time, for 12 weeks, keep the amounts the same for the 12 weeks. At 36, this will be healthy dosages that will get you results. Always get bloodwork before starting. PCT 1 week after last shot 500iu of HCG EOD for 3 weeks, and take 20 mg of novadex 1 week after last shot for 5 weeks. You can take arimidex for those 12 weeks at .25mg to .5mg. Very important, If your diet isn’t in order, don’t even waste your time. Just my .02
[quote]pesty4077 wrote:
Max Hardcore wrote:
I’m 35, have been lifting naturally for 20 years, am 5’11" 255, about 16% bf.
I’m just looking for moderate strength gains while looking to get down to about 12%bf.
Here’s what I’m thinking:
week 1: 250 mg sust 1x week, 30mg winstrol ed
2: 500 mg sust e3d, 40mg winstrol ed
3: 750 mg sust eod, 50mg winstrol ed
4: 750 mg sust eod, 50mg winstrol ed
5: 750 mg sust eod, 40mg winstrol ed
6: 500 mg sust e3d
7: 500 mg sust e3d
8: 250 mg sust 1x week
.25 adex ed for all 8 weeks
40 mg nolva ed weeks 9-10
20 mg nolav ed weeks 11-12
I also have anavar and clenbuterol but am unsure how to incorporate them (or even if I should) for this cycle. I want to keep this cycle as simple as possible.
Thanks for your feedback!
When I first look at your cycle, I thought this guy is a pro BB, taking those amounts. You first Cycle? Congrats, you will be on you way to health problems. OK, Let’s get serious, Do not tke more than 250-500 first time, for 12 weeks, keep the amounts the same for the 12 weeks. At 36, this will be healthy dosages that will get you results. Always get bloodwork before starting. PCT 1 week after last shot 500iu of HCG EOD for 3 weeks, and take 20 mg of novadex 1 week after last shot for 5 weeks. You can take arimidex for those 12 weeks at .25mg to .5mg. Very important, If your diet isn’t in order, don’t even waste your time. Just my .02[/quote]
Compared to some of the other “first time” cycles I’ve seen on here, this looks like something you’d give your grandma. Regardless, I’m not going above 500mg per week.
Is the HCG really necessary or can I just use the nolvadex?
There are mixed opinions about using HCG during cycle and PCT. Its common and smart (IMO) to have nolva on hand even if your going to do a taper.
Adex has seemingly been getting a pretty good rep lately. As good as this may be, adex is still considered to be liver toxic. Plus its known for suppression of HDL levels.
IMHO, adex should be used as sparingly as possible. It can be used throughout a beginner cycle such as 500mg Test E/week but I think it should be started right before the peak of the particular drug used. A good start could be .25 3X/week and increased as needed.
Some of the estrogen thats blocked by the adex is needed. JJ, What’s your opinion on this?
Jazz
Well i personally suffer gyno problems unless i curb that bitch from the beginning… so i use 10 grams of letro a day during cycle…
well - more like 0.25mg a day - but this next cycle i am going to go with 0.125 a day and see.
I definitely think as little AI as possible… from what i have read here, aromasin is good due to its effects on ones lipid profile - so if you were choosing…
BUT i use letro purely for the reason that 1 ‘dose’ is actually anywhere from 20 doses to 2 for me! That is cheap and DANGEROUSLY effective!
I agree… for someone who doesnt know their own tolerance, if you like, then that dosing seems like a good idea to me. 'specially with the half life of AI’s being what it is.
As for HCG, i am recently becoming very interested in its use to keep the bollocks moving throughout - for an easier recovery post cycle. I do still believe that use of HCG post cycle will only lead to suppression anyway.
(Unless the correct amount can be administered to raise T levels to the equivalent of 100mg/wk of Test E/C, ALONGSIDE a serm - which, if like the test taper protocol, wouldnt cause suppression - which would make for a fucking perfect PCT protocol).
I digress
JJ
[quote]Max Hardcore wrote:
pesty4077 wrote:
Max Hardcore wrote:
I’m 35, have been lifting naturally for 20 years, am 5’11" 255, about 16% bf.
I’m just looking for moderate strength gains while looking to get down to about 12%bf.
Here’s what I’m thinking:
week 1: 250 mg sust 1x week, 30mg winstrol ed
2: 500 mg sust e3d, 40mg winstrol ed
3: 750 mg sust eod, 50mg winstrol ed
4: 750 mg sust eod, 50mg winstrol ed
5: 750 mg sust eod, 40mg winstrol ed
6: 500 mg sust e3d
7: 500 mg sust e3d
8: 250 mg sust 1x week
.25 adex ed for all 8 weeks
40 mg nolva ed weeks 9-10
20 mg nolav ed weeks 11-12
I also have anavar and clenbuterol but am unsure how to incorporate them (or even if I should) for this cycle. I want to keep this cycle as simple as possible.
Thanks for your feedback!
When I first look at your cycle, I thought this guy is a pro BB, taking those amounts. You first Cycle? Congrats, you will be on you way to health problems. OK, Let’s get serious, Do not tke more than 250-500 first time, for 12 weeks, keep the amounts the same for the 12 weeks. At 36, this will be healthy dosages that will get you results. Always get bloodwork before starting. PCT 1 week after last shot 500iu of HCG EOD for 3 weeks, and take 20 mg of novadex 1 week after last shot for 5 weeks. You can take arimidex for those 12 weeks at .25mg to .5mg. Very important, If your diet isn’t in order, don’t even waste your time. Just my .02
Compared to some of the other “first time” cycles I’ve seen on here, this looks like something you’d give your grandma. Regardless, I’m not going above 500mg per week.
Is the HCG really necessary or can I just use the nolvadex?
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I would take the HCG and novadex like I out line. Oh, don’t worry about the megadosages for newbies, they won’t last long. I am 48, I lasted 28 years, and I am getting ready to compete again. More important than AAS, is hard work and proper nutrition. Keep in touch, let me know how things are going, and be healthy!
Just an update on the cycle.
I’m in my 8th week now. I’ve put on about 10 pounds of bw and my bench has gone up about 40 pounds. My vascularity has improved dramatically and my pumps are insane. Am going to extend my cycke for 2 more weeks.
Thinking about doing a second cycle in december or january using test e, deca, and dbol. Time to step it up.