Playstation 4 Announced

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[quote]Fuzzyapple.Train wrote:

[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:
Say the rumored price points of 429.99 and 529.99 are true. I have a console capable of displaying things that a PC which costs MINIMUM 2 or 3 times that cost can. [/quote]

No just no. There are plenty of do it yourself PC ideas on the internet for that price or just a TAD ($50-$100) above. You get a hell of a lot more out if a PC (productivity wise) than a PS4.

If Playstation gives you the opportunity to surf the web, send emails, and download 3rd party software, what has it just become then? [/quote]

A diet coke impersonation?

:wink:

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[quote]Fuzzyapple.Train wrote:

[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:
Say the rumored price points of 429.99 and 529.99 are true. I have a console capable of displaying things that a PC which costs MINIMUM 2 or 3 times that cost can. [/quote]

No just no. There are plenty of do it yourself PC ideas on the internet for that price or just a TAD ($50-$100) above. You get a hell of a lot more out if a PC (productivity wise) than a PS4.

If Playstation gives you the opportunity to surf the web, send emails, and download 3rd party software, what has it just become then? [/quote]

I have many friends who are avid pc gamers, and more avid than i am. I dont know a single person who has a PC that is currently capable of running games at a level that the PS4 will be able to that was even close to that cheap.

Again, heres the whole accessibility issue you guys choose to ignore. If someone wants this sort of gaming experience, for relatively cheap, they have to study up and learn about different mother boards, RAM, graphics cards, processors, and how to build their own PC’s, etc. OR they can say fuck it, drive 5 minutes to gamestop, swipe their card and be golden.

Its also more convenient to use your PS3/PS4 for gaming/blu ray/netflix on your TV because its purposed specifically for that. Yeah, you can do this with a computer too. If you dont have a laptop, you face a lot of inconvenient issues; is your PC in the same room as your 60" plasma? if yes, where is it positioned, can you operate it and still see your TV? Is it 20 feet away across the living room facing the opposite wall? If you have a laptop, where do you put it so its not in the way? Do you set up a little table for it? Do you have to change settings/cables everytime you want to go from using your PC on your home entertainment system to just using your PC stand-alone?

Accessibility is the name of the game, its the reason 250 million consoles sold form last generation alone, and the reason the PS3 is the number home entertainment device for playing blu-ray and streaming netflix,etc, and its the reason that the next generation will do just fine.

Some people want to just get home from working and hitting the gym or whatever else they do all day, plop down on the couch, press “power” on the remote and off they go.

Parents dont want to have to figure out how to build a gaming PC for less than a grand for their 14 year old kid when they can just go to gamestop and in 5 minutes theyve got a solution. If you cant understand these concepts, you are truly blinded by bias.

I find a lot of PC gamers are like this, i dont understand it. The bottom line is EVERYONE has a computer nowadays, there is obviously a reason that people still want to buy consoles. You cant argue with demand.

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[quote]Fuzzyapple.Train wrote:
I can build a decent PC (from internet suggestions) better than a PS4. Along with it you have the pride that you were able to put it together yourself. With my laptop plugged in with a HD cable I do school work and watch Netflix on my 36" TV while I sit on my couch. How can you possibly not do the same with a PC on a TV with what a PS4 can do? Oh but wait I can play iTunes radio on my TV while I do things around my place. Yeah, I’m telling the truth, amaaazzzing right?[/quote]
Yup. And if you buy a lot of games, going with a console will get expensive in the end.

Still, new consoles means a leap forward for console and PC gamers alike. Just imagine how good BF3 or Crysis 2 would have looked if they only focused on making it for PC-like hardware.

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[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:

[quote]Teledin wrote:
I was once big on consoles, but after the buzz kill I got from PS2 and PS3 as well as all the XBOX faults (pricing on all three and hardware issues the PS2 and XBOX) it’s swayed me back to PC gaming.

I’m betting this is going to retail for a stupid amount here in Australia … games are probably going to range from $80 - $130 again for a few months.[/quote]

So you really only liked consoles back in the PSX, N64 days?

Why is it gonna be so expensive in a land down unda? [/quote]

Anything and everything technology based is over priced here. I really don’t know why there isn’t any reason for it.

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I am become death, the destroyer of threads.

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[quote]Teledin wrote:

[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:

[quote]Teledin wrote:
I was once big on consoles, but after the buzz kill I got from PS2 and PS3 as well as all the XBOX faults (pricing on all three and hardware issues the PS2 and XBOX) it’s swayed me back to PC gaming.

I’m betting this is going to retail for a stupid amount here in Australia … games are probably going to range from $80 - $130 again for a few months.[/quote]

So you really only liked consoles back in the PSX, N64 days?

Why is it gonna be so expensive in a land down unda? [/quote]

Anything and everything technology based is over priced here. I really don’t know why there isn’t any reason for it.
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Is the median income there higher or something? And how much more expensive are you talking?

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[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:

[quote]Teledin wrote:
Anything and everything technology based is over priced here. I really don’t know why there isn’t any reason for it.
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Is the median income there higher or something? And how much more expensive are you talking?[/quote]
And it couldn’t be taxes? We pay 25% on everything except books and food.

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[quote]kakno wrote:

[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:

[quote]Teledin wrote:
Anything and everything technology based is over priced here. I really don’t know why there isn’t any reason for it.
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Is the median income there higher or something? And how much more expensive are you talking?[/quote]
And it couldn’t be taxes? We pay 25% on everything except books and food.[/quote]

Does australia have universal health care? I would think if thats the case maybe theres a higher sales tax there.

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[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:
I find a lot of PC gamers are like this, i dont understand it. The bottom line is EVERYONE has a computer nowadays, there is obviously a reason that people still want to buy consoles. You cant argue with demand. [/quote]
I concede your point of accessibility and ease of acquisition in regards to consoles over computers for gaming devices. However, as a fellow PC elitist, I must agree with Fuzzyapple here that if you have the desire, you can build a PC more powerful than the PS4 at a similar price point.

Like I said, I can see why someone wouldn’t want to bother getting into it, but personally, it’s worth it for me just because now I have the convenience of being able to do things like multiple monitors, running multiple games or multiple copies of the same game at once, having a game open on one screen and internet on another, I heavily prefer keyboard and mouse to controller for many, many reasons, and one of the very biggest things is modability and command codes and such. I believe they are getting better and better all the time about mod availability on consoles, but it will never be like on the PC. You have access to 100% of user created mods. And as for commands, just look at Bethesda games. Console users can completely lose saves with hundreds of invested hours due to a bug. In the PC, there is always a way around it using command scripts. You also have abilities to edit .ini files to set preferences not available via the game’s normal options and settings menu. I guess I’m a lot more “hardcore” than your average consumer though.

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http://www.ted.com/talks/daphne_bavelier_your_brain_on_video_games.html

interesting semi related study…

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Also.

Console games are a rip-off.

The same titles for PC can be 10-15 pounds cheaper.

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[quote]cstratton2 wrote:
http://www.ted.com/talks/daphne_bavelier_your_brain_on_video_games.html

interesting semi related study…
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I love TED talks, that’s a really good one!

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[quote]csulli wrote:

[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:
I find a lot of PC gamers are like this, i dont understand it. The bottom line is EVERYONE has a computer nowadays, there is obviously a reason that people still want to buy consoles. You cant argue with demand. [/quote]
I concede your point of accessibility and ease of acquisition in regards to consoles over computers for gaming devices. However, as a fellow PC elitist, I must agree with Fuzzyapple here that if you have the desire, you can build a PC more powerful than the PS4 at a similar price point.

Like I said, I can see why someone wouldn’t want to bother getting into it, but personally, it’s worth it for me just because now I have the convenience of being able to do things like multiple monitors, running multiple games or multiple copies of the same game at once, having a game open on one screen and internet on another, I heavily prefer keyboard and mouse to controller for many, many reasons, and one of the very biggest things is modability and command codes and such. I believe they are getting better and better all the time about mod availability on consoles, but it will never be like on the PC. You have access to 100% of user created mods. And as for commands, just look at Bethesda games. Console users can completely lose saves with hundreds of invested hours due to a bug. In the PC, there is always a way around it using command scripts. You also have abilities to edit .ini files to set preferences not available via the game’s normal options and settings menu. I guess I’m a lot more “hardcore” than your average consumer though.[/quote]

First off, how can you possibly build a PC for 500 dollars that is going to be capable of what the PS4 is?

If we’re to believe that the Deep Down demo is all real-time gameplay, i am unconvinced you could come close to that for the same price as a PS4. I have a hard time even believing you could build a rig that could run crysis maxed out for less than 700 dollars.

Also, gamers like you who want to be able to do everything you just mentioned there, are probably the extreme minority. I consider myself a very avid gamer, but most people arent going to want to screw around with that stuff, or manage multiple monitors, or even have the know-how to do any of that if they wanted to. Game ruining glitches as you mentioned are pretty damn rare anyhow. I literally cant remember the last time i lost hours of progress due to a game crash. Also, if you’re like me and you have a laptop in the same room as your tv, i can play my ps3 and browse the web at the same time on 2 seperate monitors. One of them is 60" though.

Im not arguing you cant do more with a PC, im just saying there is a clear reason that consoles are huge in the world of gaming and that the PS4 is going to be “Amazing” to many, many people. Its too much of a relatively cheap, streamlined experience that is a great center piece to a home entertainment center to ever go out of style.

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Why did this thread turn into a PC is better than console thread? Big deal if you can build a PC that is better. Some people just like to play on consoles, simple as that. Why are you trying to convince them otherwise? What does it matter to you if a bunch of people buy a PS4 or Xbox720?

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[quote]strungoutboy21 wrote:
Why did this thread turn into a PC is better than console thread? Big deal if you can build a PC that is better. Some people just like to play on consoles, simple as that. Why are you trying to convince them otherwise? What does it matter to you if a bunch of people buy a PS4 or Xbox720? [/quote]

I work with a super PC league of legends nerd kid whos like this to an extreme. Hes convinced PS4 will be terrible and that its reveal was terrible and that console gaming is dead and blah blah blah when the reality is PC gaming in the U.S. and pretty much anywhere that isnt asia is faaaar more niche than console gaming.

I dont understand where the issue lies? I have a 2500 dollar asus that i use for gaming and enjoy it very much. I obviously dont dislike pc gaming at all or i wouldnt invest that much money into it. I also have a PS3 that i enjoy using very much. I never look at my PS3 and go “Fuck you why cant you be cool like my ASUS!”

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LOL @ the PC gamers. All the Japanese developed games that are on consoles only (Suda 51 anyone?) say hi!

Consoles have a much better selection of games IMO - PC’s are getting better as far as getting games that are also on consoles but still lack most Japanese developed/published games.

Also, there’s a reason developers/publishers focus on consoles - they sell more on them and make more from them!

I laugh at the PC gamers who whine that game XYZ is another shitty console port, so they pirate it instead of buying it. Then wonder why they keep getting shitty ports.

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[quote]waldo21212 wrote:
LOL @ the PC gamers. All the Japanese developed games that are on consoles only (Suda 51 anyone?) say hi!

Consoles have a much better selection of games IMO - PC’s are getting better as far as getting games that are also on consoles but still lack most Japanese developed/published games.

Also, there’s a reason developers/publishers focus on consoles - they sell more on them and make more from them!

I laugh at the PC gamers who whine that game XYZ is another shitty console port, so they pirate it instead of buying it. Then wonder why they keep getting shitty ports.[/quote]

Lol good post.

Seriously, discounting MMO’s, i can think of 2 games that console gamers could be jealous of that was PC exclusive from this generation; Starcraft II and The Witcher II, of which the ladder did get ported to 360 with good results.

If you actually like Diablo III, sounds like we’re getting the best version on PS4.

Seriously struggling to come up with much more here.

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[quote]waldo21212 wrote:
LOL @ the PC gamers. All the Japanese developed games that are on consoles only (Suda 51 anyone?) say hi!

Consoles have a much better selection of games IMO - PC’s are getting better as far as getting games that are also on consoles but still lack most Japanese developed/published games.[/quote]
What games did I miss out on exactly? I guess fans of Halo and God of War will need a console, but I really don’t see a huge pile of amazing games I’m wishing I could play on PC that aren’t already there. If Japan wants to release a bunch of fucking anime garbage for PS4 only, they can be my guest.

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[quote]csulli wrote:

[quote]waldo21212 wrote:
LOL @ the PC gamers. All the Japanese developed games that are on consoles only (Suda 51 anyone?) say hi!

Consoles have a much better selection of games IMO - PC’s are getting better as far as getting games that are also on consoles but still lack most Japanese developed/published games.[/quote]
What games did I miss out on exactly? I guess fans of Halo and God of War will need a console, but I really don’t see a huge pile of amazing games I’m wishing I could play on PC that aren’t already there. If Japan wants to release a bunch of fucking anime garbage for PS4 only, they can be my guest.[/quote]
I’ve played a few great games from the PSN. Journey was one of them. Simple, yet very enjoyable. Okami HD was another. I know it was originally for the PS2, but still an amazing and unique game. Pretty sure that was a Japanese game.

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[quote]csulli wrote:

[quote]waldo21212 wrote:
LOL @ the PC gamers. All the Japanese developed games that are on consoles only (Suda 51 anyone?) say hi!

Consoles have a much better selection of games IMO - PC’s are getting better as far as getting games that are also on consoles but still lack most Japanese developed/published games.[/quote]
What games did I miss out on exactly? I guess fans of Halo and God of War will need a console, but I really don’t see a huge pile of amazing games I’m wishing I could play on PC that aren’t already there. If Japan wants to release a bunch of fucking anime garbage for PS4 only, they can be my guest.[/quote]

Some of my personal favorites that are HD console (PS3/360 only, I didn’t include Wii games in here) exclusive are - No More Heroes, Shadows of the Damned, Lollipop Chainsaw, Metal Gear Solid 4, Bayonetta, Castlevania Lords of Shadow, Catherine, Enslaved Odyssey To the West, God of War 3, Heavy Rain, inFamous 1 and 2, Little Big Planet 1 and 2, Ratchet and Clank games, Resistance games, Sly Cooper 4, Uncharted games, Vanquish, and the Yakuza games.

And this ignores any PS2 HD re-makes such as ICO and Shadow of the Colossus or Okami HD, and any non-retail games only available as downloads from say PSN such as Journey or Scot Pilgrim Vs. the World the game. And I’m not even a JRPG fan, so I don’t have any of those in my list.